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#Post#: 4658--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 28, 2019, 8:46 pm
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I sure know the danger of telling my wife she needs to keep
quite!
#Post#: 4662--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: March 29, 2019, 11:52 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4641#msg4641
date=1553784049]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4635#msg4635
date=1553735367]
>
> [shadow=blue,left]Lori....You fit into the Body/Bride of
Christ as all the others that believe in Jesus Christ do. We are
one body which is why it is only spoken of in the Bible 'in the
singular form'. You to me are a sister in Jesus Christ.
>
> I found this in one of my notes from Ligonier Ministries that
might help you a little.
>
> "The exercise of authority within the Godhead reveals that men
and women are fully equal even if women may not rule the church.
God the Son is wholly equal to God the Father (John 1:1), but
the Son willingly submits Himself to His Father’s authority
(12:49; 14:10). Similarly, women must be submissive in the
church not because women are incapable leaders but because this
is how our Creator made us to reflect His image. Humanity better
reflects our triune God when male elders rule lovingly and when
women, being no less worthy than men, willingly cede authority
to men in the church."
>
> It does appear you are getting closer to the answers you seek.
For this reason, I urge you to re-listen to John. He is
following the scripture closer than anyone I know of, yet he
shows compassion and understanding for the christian women. His
view is as close to the traditional view and still read the
Bible literally.
>
> I will vouch for this video and do not see anything left out
or anything added that is not supposed to be there. John is
shooting this subject as straight as it can be.
>
> If you have any other questions, please ask them and I will
try to answer them despite the conventional wisdom of: I should
just quit digging the hole any deeper.
>
> Blade
>
> [/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
thank you for your kindness and to be honest it is much more
loving than what I was taught which I totally respect...however,
there are still some discrepancies that I have a huge problem
with. For example, where did she get the authority she is NOT
to usurp? It had to come from somewhere. If this teaching is
only for women not being in leadership why does it say
"LIKEWISE" of the men...wouldn't likewise indicate the same
teaching is being given to both men and women? Not to mention
the context of the Gen. passage where most interpret it to mean
authority but there is nothing to indicate that. There are some
others but these three would be a great start.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Hi Lori, I thank you for the kind words. Let's
do one problem at a time. Let's start with authority.
There are only two type of authority. That authority of GOD and
the Authority of man which includes both male and female.
God gave man the authority in the church and He did not give a
woman any authority over man in the Church. He wants her to
(without conflict) learn in peaceful (silence) The same word
(silence) is translated as peaceful in 1 Tim 2:3...
To Usurp Authority..
αὐθεντέω
authenteō G831, From a compound of
αὐτός (G846) and an obsolete hentes
(a worker), Used in one form (1x) in the Textus Receptus. It was
translated to "usurp authority over"
In earlier forms in the LXX Septuagint, it has a somewhat
different meaning mainly because of the different Greek then and
when the Textus Receptus was written.
In the Textus Receptus: in later Greek writings one who does a
thing himself, the author (τῆς
πράξεως, Polybius 23, 14, 2,
etc.); one who acts on his own authority, autocratic, equivalent
to
αὐτοκράτωρ
an absolute master; cf. Lobeck ad Phryn., p. 120 [also as above;
cf. Winers Grammar, § 2, 1 c.]); to govern one, exercise
dominion over one: τινός, 1 Timothy
2:12.
Lori, The authority would come from YOU! You would exercise (act
on your own) authority to "usurp authority" over the
authority given to Man by GOD!
As in the home, Man cedes His God given authority to you to run
to run the home/children, etc. Here Man has given you
authority.
God gave you the authority over childbirth.
In the public (outside of the church and Home) it comes either
from yourself or the laws of civilization.
Yet, is everyday situations, You exercise your authority (as a
part of mankind) many times during the day. It is this
authority that God recognizes and commands you to refrain from
using in the church (brick and mortar).
Where this authority comes from, I have no idea but I do know
women have it or at least my wife does. Boy, does she exercise
it outside of the church. LOL......
trying to lighten the day for you.
Summary: It is your authority that You used. You are more
powerful than you think... Don't let your past get you down...
For those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it
::: for those who forget their past, cannot learn from it.
Hope this helps......Next question
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]wow...I do appreciate you but where do you get the idea
that I can usurp my own authority over anyone? Even in the day,
woman were considered property, thus they had no authority. So,
let's look at the audience.
Man did Not give woman authority
Woman would have accepted they had no authority
Yet the woman is told she is not allowed to usurp some unknown
authority over a man?
Seriously when I was in my past understanding and you tried to
proclaim that I am taking on some self made authority I would
have laughed you out of the forum discussion. Most woman who
are trained and grown up in subservient understanding know that
someone has to give them authority for them to have any. So we
are back to the question...who gave her the authority?
Let me pose something for you to ponder...Christ gave woman
something more than subservient status. Iow's the culture of
the day said that women were property...Christ said, you are
sisters, co heirs....this is the first time woman would have
been told they had the authority to inherit anything and here
they were being told they were not just heirs but co heirs with
the men.
What do I do with this information as a woman who has had no
value since birth? Wouldn't that be a great reason to teach
what is and is not proper use of this new found authority? Or
are you denying that Christ gave women the authority to be co
heirs?
#Post#: 4663--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: March 29, 2019, 11:53 am
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> I sure know the danger of telling my wife she needs to keep
quite!
>
--- End Quote ---
More times than not someone has to tell me to speak up but I am
learning
#Post#: 4671--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 29, 2019, 9:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> wow...I do appreciate you but where do you get the idea that I
can usurp my own authority over anyone? Even in the day, woman
were considered property, thus they had no authority. So, let's
look at the audience.
>
> Man did Not give woman authority
> Woman would have accepted they had no authority
> Yet the woman is told she is not allowed to usurp some unknown
authority over a man?
>
> Seriously when I was in my past understanding and you tried to
proclaim that I am taking on some self made authority I would
have laughed you out of the forum discussion. Most woman who
are trained and grown up in subservient understanding know that
someone has to give them authority for them to have any. So we
are back to the question...who gave her the authority?
>
> Let me pose something for you to ponder...Christ gave woman
something more than subservient status. Iow's the culture of
the day said that women were property...Christ said, you are
sisters, co heirs....this is the first time woman would have
been told they had the authority to inherit anything and here
they were being told they were not just heirs but co heirs with
the men.
>
> What do I do with this information as a woman who has had no
value since birth? Wouldn't that be a great reason to teach
what is and is not proper use of this new found authority? Or
are you denying that Christ gave women the authority to be co
heirs?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Good afternoon Lori.
You said:" Even in the day, woman were considered property, thus
they had no authority. So, let's look at the audience."
I agree with you somewhat. Man and wife did very little together
except maybe procreate. There is also the slave to be
considered. These people in some cases did not even talk to each
other much less pray with each other during worship services in
the church. This was a lot of the trouble Timothy was having as
to why Paul had to write the second epistle to Him. Yet, Jesus
expected the Gentiles to change if they were to be in His
church. They were to obey His wishes and commands especially in
the Church.
You said:"Seriously when I was in my past understanding and you
tried to proclaim that I am taking on some self made authority I
would have laughed you out of the forum discussion. Most woman
who are trained and grown up in subservient understanding know
that someone has to give them authority for them to have any.
So we are back to the question...who gave her the authority?"
Lori, first let me get the latest definition of "authority"
.."the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and
enforce obedience."
The one part that stands out more the the others is the ability
to make decisions.
How many decisions you make during the day. Yeah, go ahead and
count them, if you can. Every decision you make has to have
someones authority to carry out that decision. Maybe you decide
to wear bluejeans today with a yellow top. Did you husband give
you this authority to dress yourself? Did God give you this
authority? I will address these a bit later but first, I need to
ask you.
If in an emergency situation and you are the only one there with
the injured party. What do you do? Do you wait for someone to
give you the authority to call 911?
Yes, Lori,,,, it is your (Self) authority you are exercising.
The ability to make decisions without anyone else telling you
to.
This authority is inherent in both man and female. Rem Eve may
have been deceived first but Adam (even though He ate that fruit
for the love of Eve), He made the sin of disobeying GOD
intentionally, thusly bringing mankind down with him.
In 1 Tim 2, God give man the authority to rule the church. He
ask in a kind way that you do not exercise that authority within
you to usurp the authority He has given to man.
In Gen 3, He give the Man authority over the marriage and He ask
kindly for the woman to submit to the man. Can a woman be made
to submit to anything outside of her will,,,,, NOT by a long
shot!
You said:"Let me pose something for you to ponder...Christ gave
woman something more than subservient status. Iow's the culture
of the day said that women were property...Christ said, you are
sisters, co heirs....this is the first time woman would have
been told they had the authority to inherit anything and here
they were being told they were not just heirs but co heirs with
the men."
Lori...You have got to separate the Church (Brick and Mortar)
from the Church (Body/Bride of Christ). In the Brick and Mortar
church, you are told to learn in silence and in His Church (body
of Christ), you are told you are equal to all, (Jews or
Gentiles). You are a gentile, I will at some risk assume?
Even back then there were women who exercised their authority
and they written about all through the OT and NT> Take Ruth,
Moabitis, a Priestis, forbidden in the world of Israel. Yet she
is the ancestor of Jesus.
Women are by no means lesser than man and GOD did not change
that. The problem was that women were seen by many as just a
little bit higher than slaves and were more often than not told
what to do and how to do it. In a lot of cases and your seems to
be a good case, you never knew/realized the authority, the
ability to make decisions was already within you. Again, When
God made Man he instinctively put that ability within His DNA.
and when He made woman from man, that ability to make decisions
carried over from His rib. Rem, EVE made that horrendous
predestined decision out of her own authority.
Don't question it now that you know, just know what you have,
thank GOD you found it and use it wisely. In church use that
decision making ability to obey Jesus Christ and His commands in
1 TIM 2:9-15
You said: "What do I do with this information as a woman who has
had no value since birth? Wouldn't that be a great reason to
teach what is and is not proper use of this new found authority?
Or are you denying that Christ gave women the authority to be
co heirs? "
Wow after all I have said, you ask that......(who gave you the
authority to ask that of ME?).....you did and well done but not
really necessary. I am saddened that you had to go through all
of this but I suspect you have been using your authority in many
things and not know it. I hope I am right. Either way, I am not
sure what the teaching part comes in. Teaching to MEN in the
church is forbidden. Outside, in my opinion is wide open.
Good luck with your newly found authority..... Poor
Husband?????? NO just kidding...lol.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4683--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: March 30, 2019, 11:28 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
>
> [shadow=blue,left]Good afternoon Lori.
> You said:" Even in the day, woman were considered property,
thus they had no authority. So, let's look at the audience."
>
> I agree with you somewhat. Man and wife did very little
together except maybe procreate. There is also the slave to be
considered. These people in some cases did not even talk to each
other much less pray with each other during worship services in
the church. This was a lot of the trouble Timothy was having as
to why Paul had to write the second epistle to Him. Yet, Jesus
expected the Gentiles to change if they were to be in His
church. They were to obey His wishes and commands especially in
the Church.
>
> You said:"Seriously when I was in my past understanding and
you tried to proclaim that I am taking on some self made
authority I would have laughed you out of the forum discussion.
Most woman who are trained and grown up in subservient
understanding know that someone has to give them authority for
them to have any. So we are back to the question...who gave her
the authority?"
>
> Lori, first let me get the latest definition of "authority"
.."the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and
enforce obedience."
>
> The one part that stands out more the the others is the
ability to make decisions.
>
> How many decisions you make during the day. Yeah, go ahead and
count them, if you can. Every decision you make has to have
someones authority to carry out that decision. Maybe you decide
to wear bluejeans today with a yellow top. Did you husband give
you this authority to dress yourself? Did God give you this
authority? I will address these a bit later but first, I need to
ask you.
>
> If in an emergency situation and you are the only one there
with the injured party. What do you do? Do you wait for someone
to give you the authority to call 911?
>
> Yes, Lori,,,, it is your (Self) authority you are exercising.
The ability to make decisions without anyone else telling you
to.
--- End Quote ---
Really? The government gives me the authority over my
children. I give authority to the school if there is an
emergency. As having a marriage, we agree on who has the
authority to do what. None of us have self authority and I
think that is at least part of the teaching here. Many people
have the misconception that we have some control or authority
over our own lives...but that is nothing more than an illusion.
But...I can forget all of that if you simply provide scripture
that says a woman will desire her husbands Or mans
authority...since I have shown scripture that says that in
Christ there is no male or female, no slave or freeman.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> This authority is inherent in both man and female. Rem Eve
may have been deceived first but Adam (even though He ate that
fruit for the love of Eve), He made the sin of disobeying GOD
intentionally, thusly bringing mankind down with him.
--- End Quote ---
we can come back to this passage but it does not say that women
will desire the man's authority...in fact, in the account,
nothing was said of authority at all.
But back to authority...I have a friend who was in an abusive
marriage...she was told what to wear, what to eat, etc. I
myself grew up being told how to stand, how to sit, how to
speak, how to dress, even how to position my feet when standing
or walking. Every aspect of my life was under someone else
control. this would be how the woman of the day understood
their lives. I was even told how to carry my purse. I had no
authority over myself or anything I did.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> In 1 Tim 2, God give man the authority to rule the church. He
ask in a kind way that you do not exercise that authority within
you to usurp the authority He has given to man.
--- End Quote ---
that is how you understand it...I am after careful study
challenging that understanding.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> In Gen 3, He give the Man authority over the marriage and He
ask kindly for the woman to submit to the man. Can a woman be
made to submit to anything outside of her will,,,,, NOT by a
long shot!
--- End Quote ---
sure she can but that would cross the line from submission into
obedience which are not the same thing.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You said:"Let me pose something for you to ponder...Christ
gave woman something more than subservient status. Iow's the
culture of the day said that women were property...Christ said,
you are sisters, co heirs....this is the first time woman would
have been told they had the authority to inherit anything and
here they were being told they were not just heirs but co heirs
with the men."
>
> Lori...You have got to separate the Church (Brick and Mortar)
from the Church (Body/Bride of Christ). In the Brick and Mortar
church, you are told to learn in silence and in His Church (body
of Christ), you are told you are equal to all, (Jews or
Gentiles). You are a gentile, I will at some risk assume?
--- End Quote ---
I get the difference...I am not sure you are getting what I am
saying.
In the text, there is a word LIKEWISE...which refers back to the
men. IOW's like the men, I want the woman to....where in that
passage about the men are men told to be silent in the brick and
mortar church?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Even back then there were women who exercised their authority
and they written about all through the OT and NT> Take Ruth,
Moabitis, a Priestis, forbidden in the world of Israel. Yet she
is the ancestor of Jesus.
--- End Quote ---
there were some who were given authority but it was NOT the
majority...are you now going to try to argue that if one woman X
then it applies to all woman even though most woman are Y?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Women are by no means lesser than man and GOD did not change
that. The problem was that women were seen by many as just a
little bit higher than slaves and were more often than not told
what to do and how to do it. In a lot of cases and your seems to
be a good case, you never knew/realized the authority, the
ability to make decisions was already within you. Again, When
God made Man he instinctively put that ability within His DNA.
and when He made woman from man, that ability to make decisions
carried over from His rib. Rem, EVE made that horrendous
predestined decision out of her own authority.
--- End Quote ---
so...your whole argument relies on the fact that Eve chose to
eat of the fruit even though HER AUTHORITY aka God told her not
to? IOW's she took something that did not belong to her. She
usurped authority over God's word, His command.....thus, a woman
is not to usurp her authority over men meaning she is to obey
their every command even the evil ones?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Don't question it now that you know, just know what you have,
thank GOD you found it and use it wisely. In church use that
decision making ability to obey Jesus Christ and His commands in
1 TIM 2:9-15
--- End Quote ---
Sorry...that is not going to happen....until someone can answer
my questions from scripture I will question everything and only
hold to what is clearly taught in scripture.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You said: "What do I do with this information as a woman who
has had no value since birth? Wouldn't that be a great reason
to teach what is and is not proper use of this new found
authority? Or are you denying that Christ gave women the
authority to be co heirs? "
>
> Wow after all I have said, you ask that......(who gave you the
authority to ask that of ME?)..
--- End Quote ---
My husband, God Himself, even this forum and PJ who invited me
here gave me the authority to ask.
--- Quote ---
> ...you did and well done but not really necessary. I am
saddened that you had to go through all of this but I suspect
you have been using your authority in many things and not know
it. I hope I am right. Either way, I am not sure what the
teaching part comes in. Teaching to MEN in the church is
forbidden. Outside, in my opinion is wide open.
--- End Quote ---
well, I'm suggesting that is not what it is teaching but we can
get to that point.
You wanted to take one question at a time...as a follower of the
WAY...as Christ being Lord of my life, all authority I have is
given to me by HIM....that is the point, at least in part. I
can disobey that authority but any authority I have I got from
Him...Why? Because I submit to Him as not only by authority but
as my Master and King.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Good luck with your newly found authority..... Poor
Husband?????? NO just kidding...lol.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
lol He is always trying to get me to exercise more authority.
#Post#: 4691--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 30, 2019, 7:40 pm
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[shadow=blue,left]Hi Lori......
You said: "In the text, there is a word LIKEWISE...which refers
back to the men. IOW's like the men, I want the woman
to....where in that passage about the men are men told to be
silent in the brick and mortar church? "
I have found no reference to which you speak of, except in Titus
2:6.."Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded."
Please, the chapter and verse and the version of the bible you
are using. I hope it is not the NIV version.
Yet, I have got to ask....WHO give you the authority to give the
school authority to call 911........
Answer YOU did. We all have self authority where we take
control of situation not covered by rules and laws of the
government, society, township, police, PTA, subdivision
committees, etc. Shall I go on?
You have the authority and as I said, you have used it many
times yet you seem fixated if God told man He had to be silent.
You said: "so...your whole argument relies on the fact that Eve
chose to eat of the fruit even though HER AUTHORITY aka God told
her not to? IOW's she took something that did not belong to
her. She usurped authority over God's word, His
command.....thus, a woman is not to usurp her authority over men
meaning she is to obey their every command even the evil ones?"
WHO then gave EVE that authority to eat that fruit? It was not
the snake, He was trying to deceive her, It was not Adam as He
most likely was not around at that time and it was not GOD....
By deduction, we only have one more person who could have given
her the authority to eat that fruit.
I said: " Don't question it now that you know, just know what
you have it, thank GOD you found it and use it wisely. In church
use that decision making ability to obey Jesus Christ and His
commands in 1 TIM 2:9-15"
You said: "Sorry...that is not going to happen....until someone
can answer my questions from scripture I will question
everything and only hold to what is clearly taught in
scripture."
I guess I am not the one to help you then as I have given
everything I have.
Lori, I do pray you find what you are looking for although from
what I see, it is right in front of you.
Have a good day.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4722--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 1, 2019, 10:35 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [shadow=blue,left]Hi Lori......
>
> You said: "In the text, there is a word LIKEWISE...which
refers back to the men. IOW's like the men, I want the woman
to....where in that passage about the men are men told to be
silent in the brick and mortar church? "
>
> I have found no reference to which you speak of, except in
Titus 2:6.."Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded."
>
> Please, the chapter and verse and the version of the bible you
are using. I hope it is not the NIV version.
--- End Quote ---
here it is in KJV
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers,
intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2For
kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a
quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3For this
is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4Who
will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of
the truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for
all, to be testified in due time. 7Whereunto I am ordained a
preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie
not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy
hands, without wrath and doubting.
Instructions to Women
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest
apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided
hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh
women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman
learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in
silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was
not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in
childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness
with sobriety.
Notice the topic is men in authority living QUIET and peaceable
lives...why the double standard with the word quiet?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Yet, I have got to ask....WHO give you the authority to give
the school authority to call 911........
--- End Quote ---
my husband...the government...the school, to name three. You
have the illusion still that we have our own authority, this is
nothing more than an illusion. Something as being a woman who
was taught from birth to be silent as the woman of the day would
have been taught, I learned, understood, and accepted way way
long ago. We have NO authority that isnt' given to us by
someone...Even Jesus understood this in Matthew 28:18 And Jesus
came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in
heaven and in earth.
and then in the next verse gives that authority to us.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Answer YOU did. We all have self authority where we take
control of situation not covered by rules and laws of the
government, society, township, police, PTA, subdivision
committees, etc. Shall I go on?
--- End Quote ---
Do you really think that the school has no law or rule about
permission in emergency situations?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You have the authority and as I said, you have used it many
times yet you seem fixated if God told man He had to be silent.
--- End Quote ---
What I am questioning in what you are saying is whether or not
you realize you have no authority that isn't given to you by
someone....even if it is given to you by God...someone gave you
authority in the passage, who gave the woman that authority?
Even in schools, a parent cannot pick up a student unless they
are on a pre approved list of people who can pick up the
student....iow's someone who has been given authority over
picking up the student...
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>
>
> You said: "so...your whole argument relies on the fact that
Eve chose to eat of the fruit even though HER AUTHORITY aka God
told her not to? IOW's she took something that did not belong
to her. She usurped authority over God's word, His
command.....thus, a woman is not to usurp her authority over men
meaning she is to obey their every command even the evil ones?"
>
> WHO then gave EVE that authority to eat that fruit? It was not
the snake, He was trying to deceive her, It was not Adam as He
most likely was not around at that time and it was not GOD....
By deduction, we only have one more person who could have given
her the authority to eat that fruit.
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yep...she usurped an authority that did NOT belong to
her....but the passage in question is NOT talking about blindly
obeying men in church and if you are trying to claim it does we
have a lot more that we need to talk about.
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>
>
> I said: " Don't question it now that you know, just know what
you have it, thank GOD you found it and use it wisely. In church
use that decision making ability to obey Jesus Christ and His
commands in 1 TIM 2:9-15"
>
> You said: "Sorry...that is not going to happen....until
someone can answer my questions from scripture I will question
everything and only hold to what is clearly taught in
scripture."
>
> I guess I am not the one to help you then as I have given
everything I have.
>
> Lori, I do pray you find what you are looking for although
from what I see, it is right in front of you.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
>
>
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One of the main reasons I come to the forums is to have my
understanding of scripture challenged. You see, I believe that
when we know truth, it will stand up to challenge. What I am
asking is that you challenge my understanding against the
totality of scripture. That is why I ask for things like
scriptures that say all women are trying to take their husbands
authority....or why I ask why the Likewise is there when the men
have just been taught to have a quiet and peaceful spirit in the
authority they have been given.
#Post#: 4723--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 1, 2019, 11:08 am
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God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
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Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 1, 2019, 12:53 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
>
--- End Quote ---
exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to being
silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men as it
is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context, context,
context.
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Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 1, 2019, 1:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4723#msg4723
date=1554134910]
> God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
>
--- End Quote ---
exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to being
silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men as it
is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context, context,
context.
[/quote]I just heard in the last 8 to 10 months that many Bible
scholars truly believe that Paul did NOT write 2 Timothy. Claims
are that those writings and church instructions were written
some 200 years later. To be honest, the Holy Spirit guides me
every time I read scripture and I graze over some things that
don't feel right or seem right for the current age we live in.
We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and
social instruction.
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