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#Post#: 5445--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 8, 2019, 6:52 am
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Women and Ministry
Lori, I think you will agree with this lesson.
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Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 8, 2019, 9:32 am
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closer to what I found when I studied it than anything else I've
seen so far.
#Post#: 5750--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 19, 2019, 10:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg5254#msg5254
date=1556585528]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg5249#msg5249
date=1556554536]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg5236#msg5236
date=1556431919]
>
> [shadow=blue,left]To be quite frank, Lori.. 1 Tim 2:12
relegates Christian Women to a sphere of influence and
action..their Home and raises these Women of Christ from the
position of degradation and intellectual inferiority they have
experienced for the past 2000 years in the pagan systems of the
East and the West to a sphere within where Women should work
exercising her power and influence---in the HOME. A special
place given to her by GOD in His plan for both sexes while on
this earth knowing that She is a fellow-heir to the Kingdom of
God where sexes WILL no longer exist in the future. Until
Mankind gets to this future place, he and she are still required
to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
>
> Yet, in her infinite wisdom, the Modern woman rejects this
plan, jumping right back into the very cesspool of inferiority
she experienced in earlier years.
--- End Quote ---
what do you NOT understand about me wanting to understand I
Tim. in light of the traditional teaching because it is the
comfortable teaching to me but that I can't find that
understanding when I actually take time to study the passage in
light of scripture interpreting scripture?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Yes, we are both a part of the Church(Body and the Bride) of
Jesus Christ, yet this is a spiritual kingdom that we have only
partly been able to participate in. Until ones death releases
their spirit from this world and the bodies of those who have
died "in Christ" are resurrected and transfigured; the plan of
Jesus Christ which was placed into action by forty writers of
the Bible for both Man and Woman will remain in effect.
--- End Quote ---
see above...you keep asserting your understanding is the right
one but refuse to look at the study I did and show me where I
went wrong. How can I consider myself wrong when no one will
show me where the error is? In fact, in place of studying the
passage, you make false assumptions and assertions of what I am
saying and never once consider that what I am understanding from
my study of the text, is a much much harder thing to obey.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> The pagan world may ignore the teaching of Paul by rejecting
the clear straightforward commands of our Lord,like 1 Tim 2:9-15
yet in the end, those Christian Women who follow the traditional
teachings will reap the rewards in a future setting of the
Kingdom of God.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
So now you want to claim that following traditions of man are
more important than following the Commands of God? How
strange...I honestly believe we should challenge every tradition
of man against what scripture really does say if we want to
please God not man!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Then read and follow the verses in 1 Tim
2:9-12 literally! While your at it, read verses 13 thru 15 and
take it up with the LORD on why He placed the sphere of
influence and power of the woman in the HOME and not the Church.
Rem this Lori, 'the SIN, Eve and Adam committed in Eden are the
same yet only one allowed herself to be deceived.'
You and other women carry the shame of 'disobeying GOD' by
being deluded by the serpent (Satan).
I and other men carry the shame of 'Disobeying GOD' and 'Man's
Downfall' for the Love of a woman!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]Nothing there addresses what I asked you to address.
Why so stubbornly refuse?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
I can only give you through the Authority of GOD as stated in:
1 Tim 2, 3 and Titan are GOD's WORD.
Like so many others before you, including those advocating
change in the Southern Baptist Convention are doing so for
personal worldviews and lifestyles.
It is a disobedience and as for changing, deleting, removing
(REV 22:18-19) His WORD, it is a SIN.
Your Choice!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5764--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 20, 2019, 11:52 am
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Blade...you have repeatedly been asked to look at and discuss
the study of the passage with me and you refuse...in my book
that removes any authority you might have had a one point when
it comes to knowing what is being taught, IOW's what God is
trying to communicate with us. We are commanded to study to
show ourselves approved...your refusing to study it says it all
as far as I can tell...because you start out in disobedience.
#Post#: 5775--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 20, 2019, 8:09 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Blade...you have repeatedly been asked to look at and discuss
the study of the passage with me and you refuse...in my book
that removes any authority you might have had a one point when
it comes to knowing what is being taught, IOW's what God is
trying to communicate with us. We are commanded to study to
show ourselves approved...your refusing to study it says it all
as far as I can tell...because you start out in disobedience.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori, You are right. I have no authority here or in any of the
post I reply to or create. The authority is that of GOD.
You still want to study the verse and get opinions on what 1 Tim
2:12 actually says. It is pretty clear with out the need for
further interpretation.
We can discuss the; who or what is Jesus speaking to in 1 TIM
1-6. We can have a bible study on the qualifications of Elders
(Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc.). No study is needed of 1 Tim
2:9-15
I have no doubt that shady teachers with shady agendas will
continue to interpret those verses of 1 Tim 2:9-15 using
hermeneutics other than that of literal interpretation. I had
hoped you of all people would see that the Bible (KJV) is not a
living book to be interpreted/changed through the eyes of any
ole worldview.
A bible study for you:
In ancient times, the rules of the church/ synagogue were
different and had not changed for thousands of years. Women were
not welcome in these places of worship.
Then when 'The Age of the Church' began, all the present day
rules for both the male and female were changed and they were
changed for the better. In 1 Tim 1-6, Jesus is speaking to Tim
about his role as a pastor and tells him and us the rules He
expects for the Pastors (Elders, Bishops, etc) of all churches
to follow. He tells us who is to lead public prayer (the male).
He also in Chapter 3 gives us the qualifications of the leaders
of the Church.
Then He does something wonderful. He gives us the role of the
woman in the church. Up until this time,the woman was second
class. Now, She is equal to the Male, both with different
individual roles to be played throughout our lifetimes.
Yet, in the post modern world, many women are not satisfied with
the role God has laid out for them. They had rather show to the
world they can assume the male role and become a force to be
reckoned with (using some expressions of active feminist).
Up until recently, feminism stayed in the Business world. Today,
even in the last bastion considered to follow the Word of GOD,
the Southern Baptist Convention is deliberating new roles of the
female within the Church doctrine.
NOTE: for those who do not know, the SBC is the head of several
Baptist Churches that adhere, subscribe and follow the Biblical
doctrine as set forth by the leaders of the SBC.
To me, as a Literalist with a Historical and Grammatical
Hermeneutics, GOD's WORDs in 1 Tim 2: 9-15 were self-explanatory
and have not change in some 2000 years.
Lori, it is also clear you are trying to justify following a
path that is not within the parameters set forth in 1 Tim 1-5 by
our Lord Jesus Christ.
I urge you to come back to the fold and follow and be obedient
to His Commandments in 1 Tim 2:9-15.
Again, I offer no authority on these verses. 1 Tim 1-5 are HIS
WORD(s). They are on HIS Authority.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5785--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 21, 2019, 8:11 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg5764#msg5764
date=1558371148]
> Blade...you have repeatedly been asked to look at and discuss
the study of the passage with me and you refuse...in my book
that removes any authority you might have had a one point when
it comes to knowing what is being taught, IOW's what God is
trying to communicate with us. We are commanded to study to
show ourselves approved...your refusing to study it says it all
as far as I can tell...because you start out in disobedience.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori, You are right. I have no authority here or in any of the
post I reply to or create. The authority is that of GOD.[/quote]
and God says to study His word not listen to teachers who have
agendas...which is why I asked for you to show me where I went
wrong in my study...but you refused.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You still want to study the verse and get opinions on what 1
Tim 2:12 actually says. It is pretty clear with out the need for
further interpretation.
--- End Quote ---
the only opinion I want is the one that God gives through a
careful study of the passage, allowing scripture to interpret
scripture for us....but you claimed that would draw me away from
God and His word without ever explaining how...
--- Quote ---
>
>
> We can discuss the; who or what is Jesus speaking to in 1 TIM
1-6. We can have a bible study on the qualifications of Elders
(Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc.). No study is needed of 1 Tim
2:9-15
>
> I have no doubt that shady teachers with shady agendas will
continue to interpret those verses of 1 Tim 2:9-15 using
hermeneutics other than that of literal interpretation. I had
hoped you of all people would see that the Bible (KJV) is not a
living book to be interpreted/changed through the eyes of any
ole worldview.
--- End Quote ---
so insults are better than studying the word of God....notice I
want to study the scripture in light of the totality of
scripture which has absolutely nothing to do with teachers with
shady anything unless you are calling God shady which I don't
believe you are intending to do and all you do is criticize why?
When did wanting to study scripture not man's ideas of what
scripture says become in your mind a shady thing?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> A bible study for you:
>
> In ancient times, the rules of the church/ synagogue were
different and had not changed for thousands of years. Women were
not welcome in these places of worship.
>
> Then when 'The Age of the Church' began, all the present day
rules for both the male and female were changed and they were
changed for the better. In 1 Tim 1-6, Jesus is speaking to Tim
about his role as a pastor and tells him and us the rules He
expects for the Pastors (Elders, Bishops, etc) of all churches
to follow. He tells us who is to lead public prayer (the male).
He also in Chapter 3 gives us the qualifications of the leaders
of the Church.
>
> Then He does something wonderful. He gives us the role of the
woman in the church. Up until this time,the woman was second
class. Now, She is equal to the Male, both with different
individual roles to be played throughout our lifetimes.
>
> Yet, in the post modern world, many women are not satisfied
with the role God has laid out for them. They had rather show to
the world they can assume the male role and become a force to be
reckoned with (using some expressions of active feminist).
>
> Up until recently, feminism stayed in the Business world.
Today, even in the last bastion considered to follow the Word of
GOD, the Southern Baptist Convention is deliberating new roles
of the female within the Church doctrine.
>
> NOTE: for those who do not know, the SBC is the head of
several Baptist Churches that adhere, subscribe and follow the
Biblical doctrine as set forth by the leaders of the SBC.
>
> To me, as a Literalist with a Historical and Grammatical
Hermeneutics, GOD's WORDs in 1 Tim 2: 9-15 were self-explanatory
and have not change in some 2000 years.
--- End Quote ---
First this is all history not Biblical study...second...as per
the study I did, and I don't know how you are still missing this
about me, but here it is again...I have no problem with woman
not being in leadership in the church but as I study the passage
in light of the totality of scripture I do NOT see this passage
as teaching that...as I see it in light of the totality of
scripture this particular passage is teaching something
else...we can (as the last videos posted show) get to that
conclusion another way...but not through this passage...but then
again, one would have to be brave enough to study it for
themselves rather than relying on shady teachers to understand
that NOTHING at all in what I am saying is advocating woman in
leadership in the church only that I Tim. is NOT talking about
that....
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Lori, it is also clear you are trying to justify following a
path that is not within the parameters set forth in 1 Tim 1-5 by
our Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> I urge you to come back to the fold and follow and be obedient
to His Commandments in 1 Tim 2:9-15.
>
> Again, I offer no authority on these verses. 1 Tim 1-5 are HIS
WORD(s). They are on HIS Authority.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
Blade...this is insulting to say the least...especially since
all I am asking is that you go over the study I did and show me
where I got it wrong...at worst it's judgmental and false
accusations and you should be ashamed.
#Post#: 5795--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 21, 2019, 7:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg5775#msg5775
date=1558400960]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg5764#msg5764
date=1558371148]
> Blade...you have repeatedly been asked to look at and discuss
the study of the passage with me and you refuse...in my book
that removes any authority you might have had a one point when
it comes to knowing what is being taught, IOW's what God is
trying to communicate with us. We are commanded to study to
show ourselves approved...your refusing to study it says it all
as far as I can tell...because you start out in disobedience.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori, You are right. I have no authority here or in any of the
post I reply to or create. The authority is that of GOD.[/quote]
and God says to study His word not listen to teachers who have
agendas...which is why I asked for you to show me where I went
wrong in my study...but you refused.
--- Quote ---
>
>
> You still want to study the verse and get opinions on what 1
Tim 2:12 actually says. It is pretty clear with out the need for
further interpretation.
--- End Quote ---
the only opinion I want is the one that God gives through a
careful study of the passage, allowing scripture to interpret
scripture for us....but you claimed that would draw me away from
God and His word without ever explaining how...
--- Quote ---
>
>
> We can discuss the; who or what is Jesus speaking to in 1 TIM
1-6. We can have a bible study on the qualifications of Elders
(Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, etc.). No study is needed of 1 Tim
2:9-15
>
> I have no doubt that shady teachers with shady agendas will
continue to interpret those verses of 1 Tim 2:9-15 using
hermeneutics other than that of literal interpretation. I had
hoped you of all people would see that the Bible (KJV) is not a
living book to be interpreted/changed through the eyes of any
ole worldview.
--- End Quote ---
so insults are better than studying the word of God....notice I
want to study the scripture in light of the totality of
scripture which has absolutely nothing to do with teachers with
shady anything unless you are calling God shady which I don't
believe you are intending to do and all you do is criticize why?
When did wanting to study scripture not man's ideas of what
scripture says become in your mind a shady thing?
--- Quote ---
>
>
> A bible study for you:
>
> In ancient times, the rules of the church/ synagogue were
different and had not changed for thousands of years. Women were
not welcome in these places of worship.
>
> Then when 'The Age of the Church' began, all the present day
rules for both the male and female were changed and they were
changed for the better. In 1 Tim 1-6, Jesus is speaking to Tim
about his role as a pastor and tells him and us the rules He
expects for the Pastors (Elders, Bishops, etc) of all churches
to follow. He tells us who is to lead public prayer (the male).
He also in Chapter 3 gives us the qualifications of the leaders
of the Church.
>
> Then He does something wonderful. He gives us the role of the
woman in the church. Up until this time,the woman was second
class. Now, She is equal to the Male, both with different
individual roles to be played throughout our lifetimes.
>
> Yet, in the post modern world, many women are not satisfied
with the role God has laid out for them. They had rather show to
the world they can assume the male role and become a force to be
reckoned with (using some expressions of active feminist).
>
> Up until recently, feminism stayed in the Business world.
Today, even in the last bastion considered to follow the Word of
GOD, the Southern Baptist Convention is deliberating new roles
of the female within the Church doctrine.
>
> NOTE: for those who do not know, the SBC is the head of
several Baptist Churches that adhere, subscribe and follow the
Biblical doctrine as set forth by the leaders of the SBC.
>
> To me, as a Literalist with a Historical and Grammatical
Hermeneutics, GOD's WORDs in 1 Tim 2: 9-15 were self-explanatory
and have not change in some 2000 years.
--- End Quote ---
First this is all history not Biblical study...second...as per
the study I did, and I don't know how you are still missing this
about me, but here it is again...I have no problem with woman
not being in leadership in the church but as I study the passage
in light of the totality of scripture I do NOT see this passage
as teaching that...as I see it in light of the totality of
scripture this particular passage is teaching something
else...we can (as the last videos posted show) get to that
conclusion another way...but not through this passage...but then
again, one would have to be brave enough to study it for
themselves rather than relying on shady teachers to understand
that NOTHING at all in what I am saying is advocating woman in
leadership in the church only that I Tim. is NOT talking about
that....
--- Quote ---
>
>
> Lori, it is also clear you are trying to justify following a
path that is not within the parameters set forth in 1 Tim 1-5 by
our Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> I urge you to come back to the fold and follow and be obedient
to His Commandments in 1 Tim 2:9-15.
>
> Again, I offer no authority on these verses. 1 Tim 1-5 are HIS
WORD(s). They are on HIS Authority.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
Blade...this is insulting to say the least...especially since
all I am asking is that you go over the study I did and show me
where I got it wrong...at worst it's judgmental and false
accusations and you should be ashamed.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I guess I have learned a lesson here!!!! I did
not aim to insult you. Let me put it this way, one more time.
Yes, some scriptures are interpreted by other scriptures. (i.e.
Rev. 1:20) Like these scriptures, the Bible lets you know when
it does interpret other scriptures.
However, 1 Tim 2:9-15 has no such verses that interpret them.
These verses are literally interpreted as spoken by GOD.
There is no other way!
Hope you have a great day!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5808--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 22, 2019, 8:28 am
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Blade said....
I guess I have learned a lesson here!!!! I did not aim to insult
you. Let me put it this way, one more time.
Yes, some scriptures are interpreted by other scriptures. (i.e.
Rev. 1:20) Like these scriptures, the Bible lets you know when
it does interpret other scriptures.
However, 1 Tim 2:9-15 has no such verses that interpret them.
These verses are literally interpreted as spoken by GOD.
There is no other way!
Hope you have a great day!
Blade
I wholeheartedly disagree but then again I did the study...I'm
guessing you have never studied the passage the reason you
refuse to look at the study with me...you are just following
what the teachers you like are telling you.
#Post#: 5809--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 22, 2019, 10:26 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Blade said....
> I guess I have learned a lesson here!!!! I did not aim to
insult you. Let me put it this way, one more time.
>
> Yes, some scriptures are interpreted by other scriptures.
(i.e. Rev. 1:20) Like these scriptures, the Bible lets you know
when it does interpret other scriptures.
>
> However, 1 Tim 2:9-15 has no such verses that interpret them.
These verses are literally interpreted as spoken by GOD.
>
> There is no other way!
>
> Hope you have a great day!
>
> Blade
>
>
> I wholeheartedly disagree but then again I did the study...I'm
guessing you have never studied the passage the reason you
refuse to look at the study with me...you are just following
what the teachers you like are telling you.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Well...I guess we will just have to disagree.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5811--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: May 22, 2019, 12:05 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg5808#msg5808
date=1558531714]
> Blade said....
> I guess I have learned a lesson here!!!! I did not aim to
insult you. Let me put it this way, one more time.
>
> Yes, some scriptures are interpreted by other scriptures.
(i.e. Rev. 1:20) Like these scriptures, the Bible lets you know
when it does interpret other scriptures.
>
> However, 1 Tim 2:9-15 has no such verses that interpret them.
These verses are literally interpreted as spoken by GOD.
>
> There is no other way!
>
> Hope you have a great day!
>
> Blade
>
>
> I wholeheartedly disagree but then again I did the study...I'm
guessing you have never studied the passage the reason you
refuse to look at the study with me...you are just following
what the teachers you like are telling you.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Well...I guess we will just have to disagree.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]I guess so which is sad since all you were asked to do
is show me where my study went wrong...what bothers me is how
hard you have been fighting against actually studying scripture
on this matter.
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