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New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: bernardpyron Date: February 16, 2019, 3:51 pm
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New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
Bernard Pyron
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means
for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
Luke 13: 21 says "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid
in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." The
word till
indicates the leavening occurs over time. What is predicted to
be leavened?
In Luke 13: 20 what is to be leavened is the Kingdom of God.
Paul in I Corinthians 5: 6-7 warns that "Know ye not that a
little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new
lump, as
ye are unleavened."
He is warning that a little bit of false doctrine will grow and
contaminate the entire loaf, that is, a little bit of false
doctrine
will increase over time and make an entire ministry impure in
its
teachings.
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Matthew 24: 11
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times
some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,
and
doctrines of devils;" I Timothy 4: 1
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;" I Timothy 4: 3
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving,
and
being deceived." II Timothy 3: 13.
Paul's prophecy about the personality traits of people in the
last days
when perilous times shall come is also a prophecy of the falling
away
from the Gospel once delivered to the saints. "This know also,
that in
the last days perilous times shall come.
2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than
lovers of God;
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:
from
such turn away.
6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead
captive
silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the
truth." II Timothy 3: 1-7
Paul is not talking only about non-Christians here, but also
about
Christians, because what he is saying describes a whole
generation of
people in the last days, and more than one generation. It is
almost as
though Paul has looked ahead to the counterculture of the
sixties and
seventies.
And II Timothy 3: 4-8 is about people in the congregations.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring
in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of
whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth
not, and their damnation slumbereth not." II Peter 2: 1-3
Apostasy as a falling away from sound doctrine is something
different in meaning from dispensationalism's Great Tribulation
which its followers believe is to occur at the end of the Church
Age. The New Testament prophecy just gone over on the falling
away from sound doctrine does not indicate when this is to
occur. It could occur more than once during the so called
Church Age. And beware of the Preterist idea that the prophecy
of the falling away from sound doctrine was fulfilled in the
First Century.
#Post#: 3973--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: guest8 Date: February 17, 2019, 10:56 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=366.msg3953#msg3953
date=1550353868]
New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
Bernard Pyron
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means
for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,
and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
Luke 13: 21 says "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid
in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." The
word till
indicates the leavening occurs over time. What is predicted to
be leavened?
In Luke 13: 20 what is to be leavened is the Kingdom of God.
Paul in I Corinthians 5: 6-7 warns that "Know ye not that a
little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new
lump, as
ye are unleavened."
He is warning that a little bit of false doctrine will grow and
contaminate the entire loaf, that is, a little bit of false
doctrine
will increase over time and make an entire ministry impure in
its
teachings.
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Matthew 24: 11
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times
some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,
and
doctrines of devils;" I Timothy 4: 1
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;" I Timothy 4: 3
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving,
and
being deceived." II Timothy 3: 13.
Paul's prophecy about the personality traits of people in the
last days
when perilous times shall come is also a prophecy of the falling
away
from the Gospel once delivered to the saints. "This know also,
that in
the last days perilous times shall come.
2. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than
lovers of God;
5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:
from
such turn away.
6. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead
captive
silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7. Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the
truth." II Timothy 3: 1-7
Paul is not talking only about non-Christians here, but also
about
Christians, because what he is saying describes a whole
generation of
people in the last days, and more than one generation. It is
almost as
though Paul has looked ahead to the counterculture of the
sixties and
seventies.
And II Timothy 3: 4-8 is about people in the congregations.
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring
in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of
whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make
merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth
not, and their damnation slumbereth not." II Peter 2: 1-3
Apostasy as a falling away from sound doctrine is something
different in meaning from dispensationalism's Great Tribulation
which its followers believe is to occur at the end of the Church
Age. The New Testament prophecy just gone over on the falling
away from sound doctrine does not indicate when this is to
occur. It could occur more than once during the so called
Church Age. And beware of the Preterist idea that the prophecy
of the falling away from sound doctrine was fulfilled in the
First Century.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]bernardpyron, if one will read Rev 2,3...
they will find seven letters that Jesus wrote to seven Churches.
Why these churches as there were literally hundreds of churches
in the land at this time. Each of these churches had a specific
problem that He addresses, each church received all seven
letters and each church represents a time period between then
and now. The First three church letters are a little different
than the remaining four. The first three churches are no more.
The last four churches are still around to this day.
Check out each letter and try to identify what the good parts
were, their bad parts, what Jesus told them they needed to works
on. etc. Try to identify the Apostasy, Jesus speaks of.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3975--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: bernardpyron Date: February 18, 2019, 8:10 am
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Several texts in the Book of Revelation are a prophecy of a
coming apostasy in metaphoric language, Some have interpreted
the figures and actions in Revelation 9 as being metaphoric for
an apostasy, with two classes of actors of the apostasy, the
scorpions and the serpents, with the serpents being the priest
class.
Revelation 12, is another prophecy of an apostasy, especially
verses15-17, where a remnant stands to oppose the flood out of
the mouth of the serpent-dragon, with the remnant having the
testimony of Jesus Christ, The presence of a remnant implies a
falling away from sound doctrine, since at a time of apostasy
God raises up a remnant faithful to his word to carry on the
work of redemption
Then in Revelation 13: 11-18 there is the False Prophet, not
necessarily as one man, who in verse 11 has two horns like a
lamb and speaks as a dragon. James Lloyd and others have
interpreted this to refer to the use of the dialectic by Satan.
Lloyd, I believe, got this idea from Dean Gotcher.
#Post#: 4003--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: guest8 Date: February 18, 2019, 11:09 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=366.msg3975#msg3975
date=1550499059]
Several texts in the Book of Revelation are a prophecy of a
coming apostasy in metaphoric language, Some have interpreted
the figures and actions in Revelation 9 as being metaphoric for
an apostasy, with two classes of actors of the apostasy, the
scorpions and the serpents, with the serpents being the priest
class.
Revelation 12, is another prophecy of an apostasy, especially
verses15-17, where a remnant stands to oppose the flood out of
the mouth of the serpent-dragon, with the remnant having the
testimony of Jesus Christ, The presence of a remnant implies a
falling away from sound doctrine, since at a time of apostasy
God raises up a remnant faithful to his word to carry on the
work of redemption
Then in Revelation 13: 11-18 there is the False Prophet, not
necessarily as one man, who in verse 11 has two horns like a
lamb and speaks as a dragon. James Lloyd and others have
interpreted this to refer to the use of the dialectic by Satan.
Lloyd, I believe, got this idea from Dean Gotcher.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]The Apostasy you speak is in the period of
Grace today. After the Church (Body/Bride of Christ) is removed
from this earth, there are NO believers left except the 144,000
Jewish ministries. Any apostasy further that Rev 4.1, is caused
by the False Prophet for the benefit of the antichrist.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: patrick jane Date: August 28, 2020, 3:17 pm
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yep
#Post#: 19773--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Testament Prophecy On the Apostasy
By: patrick jane Date: October 29, 2020, 1:36 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=366.msg16752#msg16752
date=1598645876]
yep
[/quote] ;)
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