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#Post#: 1770--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: October 23, 2018, 12:04 am
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We have a different understanding.
#Post#: 1787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: guest8
Date: October 23, 2018, 7:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> We have a different understanding.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
Billy....look to Isa 28:14-18...This about the covenant the
pseudo-christ confirms and God is speaking to them about it..
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: October 24, 2018, 2:41 am
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Yes that's right, those are the prophecies of Isaiah concerning
Israel's fall, in later chapters of Isaiah you will be reading
his prophecies concerning Israel rise, Israel's vindication,
Israel's future blessing.
God cannot be both scattering and gathering at the same time, He
cannot be punishing and blessing at the same time.
You see the fall but fail to see the rise of Israel.
#Post#: 1806--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: guest8
Date: October 24, 2018, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Yes that's right, those are the prophecies of Isaiah
concerning Israel's fall, in later chapters of Isaiah you will
be reading his prophecies concerning Israel rise, Israel's
vindication, Israel's future blessing.
>
> God cannot be both scattering and gathering at the same time,
He cannot be punishing and blessing at the same time.
>
> You see the fall but fail to see the rise of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[glow=navy,2,300]
Ah,that is the problem... Isa is hard to read and if you are not
careful, like many others, you will get it wrong. Is there a
specific group of verses or chapters that you are speaking of
here and what are you trying to say.
Keep in mind that Isa not only represents the entire History of
the Jewish People, it is also the gateway to understanding the
NT..
Blade[/glow]
#Post#: 2610--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: December 1, 2018, 4:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> No you can't do that.
>
> You can't say you believe Isaiah when he speaks about a new
heaven and a new earth but you won't accept what he says about
Israel being the highest mountain when the nations will flock to
Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways.
>
> Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and their
spears into pruning hooks and study war no more
>
--- End Quote ---
Chill out Billy
#Post#: 2654--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: December 5, 2018, 6:30 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> First of all the nations are not the church. Secondly the
nations are not disarming they are increasing their weaponry and
they do study war as their primary duty.
>
> The church never did have swords to beat into ploughshares,
neither is the church the nations who will flock to Jerusalem to
the house of God to learn the ways of the God of Jacob.
>
> Moreover Jesus told us that in this age nations will not make
peace but nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against
kingdom...there will be wars and plague and famine. Right up to
the moment when Christ returns.
>
> So the prophecies of Isaiah can only come to pass in a new
age.
>
>
> Paul teaches that God's plan for the "fulness of times" is for
all things to be united in Christ, whether they be things in
heaven or things on earth.
>
> For the reasons I gave above this can only refer to another
age.
>
--- End Quote ---
I disagree.
#Post#: 2666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 5, 2018, 8:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
>
> First of all the nations are not the church. Secondly the
nations are not disarming they are increasing their weaponry and
they do study war as their primary duty.
>
> The church never did have swords to beat into ploughshares,
neither is the church the nations who will flock to Jerusalem to
the house of God to learn the ways of the God of Jacob.[/QUOTE]
>
> [shadow=blue,left] I disagree here. The Catholic Church
certainly had the swords to turn into plowshares[/shadow]
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Moreover Jesus told us that in this age nations will not make
peace but nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against
kingdom...there will be wars and plague and famine. Right up to
the moment when Christ returns.
>
> So the prophecies of Isaiah can only come to pass in a new
age.
> [/QUOTE],
>
> [shadow=blue,left]If you are talking about a new AGE after the
Rapture, then I can agree with you. [/shadow]
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Paul teaches that God's plan for the "fulness of times" is for
all things to be united in Christ, whether they be things in
heaven or things on earth.
>
> For the reasons I gave above this can only refer to another
age.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left] the "fulness of times" refers to Eph 1:10
where Jesus is speaking about HIS Church. When He comes back to
collect it, a NEW AGE WILL BEGIN.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 2669--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: December 5, 2018, 8:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
>
> First of all the nations are not the church. Secondly the
nations are not disarming they are increasing their weaponry and
they do study war as their primary duty.
>
> The church never did have swords to beat into ploughshares,
neither is the church the nations who will flock to Jerusalem to
the house of God to learn the ways of the God of Jacob.[/QUOTE]
>
> [shadow=blue,left] I disagree here. The Catholic Church
certainly had the swords to turn into plowshares[/shadow]
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Moreover Jesus told us that in this age nations will not make
peace but nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against
kingdom...there will be wars and plague and famine. Right up to
the moment when Christ returns.
>
> So the prophecies of Isaiah can only come to pass in a new
age.
> [/QUOTE],
>
> [shadow=blue,left]If you are talking about a new AGE after the
Rapture, then I can agree with you. [/shadow]
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Paul teaches that God's plan for the "fulness of times" is for
all things to be united in Christ, whether they be things in
heaven or things on earth.
>
> For the reasons I gave above this can only refer to another
age.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left] the "fulness of times" refers to Eph 1:10
where Jesus is speaking about HIS Church. When He comes back to
collect it, a NEW AGE WILL BEGIN.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]Is that when there will be a new heaven and new earth?
Jerusalem, the mother of all comes down from above?
#Post#: 2673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 6, 2018, 12:42 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg2666#msg2666
date=1544062453]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
>
> First of all the nations are not the church. Secondly the
nations are not disarming they are increasing their weaponry and
they do study war as their primary duty.
>
> The church never did have swords to beat into ploughshares,
neither is the church the nations who will flock to Jerusalem to
the house of God to learn the ways of the God of Jacob.[/QUOTE]
>
> I disagree here. The Catholic Church certainly had the swords
to turn into plowshares
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Moreover Jesus told us that in this age nations will not make
peace but nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against
kingdom...there will be wars and plague and famine. Right up to
the moment when Christ returns.
>
> So the prophecies of Isaiah can only come to pass in a new
age.
> [/QUOTE],
>
> If you are talking about a new AGE after the Rapture, then I
can agree with you.
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1747#msg1747
date=1540145245]
> Paul teaches that God's plan for the "fulness of times" is for
all things to be united in Christ, whether they be things in
heaven or things on earth.
>
> For the reasons I gave above this can only refer to another
age.
>
--- End Quote ---
the "fulness of times" refers to Eph 1:10 where Jesus is
speaking about HIS Church. When He comes back to collect it, a
NEW AGE WILL BEGIN.
Blade
[/quote]Is that when there will be a new heaven and new earth?
Jerusalem, the mother of all comes down from above?
[/quote]
From the Daniel chapter 2 to present time = the Times of the
Gentiles. This time will last until Jerusalem is no longer
trodden under gentile rule. Even today, Jordan (Moab) rules the
Temple Mount while Israel owns and runs the land around it.
This time can be around the last half of Daniel's 70th week.
WHen the Jews see the AoD, they are to flee. Those that flee
have become unblinded and will consist of the Remnant of Isarel.
Of course, we have the fullness of the Church where we believers
(true) are awaiting for that last believer (ELECT) so the Father
will tell the Son to go get His Bride. (Harpazo)
There are two events, the rapture(Harpozo) where no man know the
hour. The Second Coming , we may not know the hour but can be
pretty sure when he is coming. In fact, we are told. For he
comes at the end of the last 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week.
The NEW heaven and Earth with NO Seas or Oceans will happen
after the 1000 year reign of Jesus on Earth. Remember, that when
the 1000 year millennium begins, the earth has been transformed
back to during the time of Eden. The Highest Mountain in the
world will be Jerusalem and surrounding area. Also rem. the
temple will have four sides 50 miles long.
The New Jerusalem will not come to earth. Nowhere does it say
that it lands on earth.
Hope this makes sense? IF not I can add some scripture to it to
help. just summarizing it here.
Blade
#Post#: 6261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:22 am
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I guess we'll all find out when the time comes !!!
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