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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 20, 2018, 8:26 am
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[font=georgia]That last 7 years do correspond to the great
endtime persecution aka the great tribulation for Antichrist
will be supreme.
The tribulation happens in the world not in Israel, Israel will
be in peace and safety. At least for the first 3.1/2years of it.
Antichrist will have a peace treaty with Israel and they will
build the temple.[/font]
#Post#: 1063--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: September 20, 2018, 8:50 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1051#msg1051
date=1537449990]
[font=georgia]That last 7 years do correspond to the great
endtime persecution aka the great tribulation for Antichrist
will be supreme.
The tribulation happens in the world not in Israel, Israel will
be in peace and safety. At least for the first 3.1/2years of it.
Antichrist will have a peace treaty with Israel and they will
build the temple.[/font]
[/quote]
Good evening Billy.. During the time after the removal of the
Church (Body of Christ) and the beginning of the Millennium, 2/3
of Israel will die. That is 1/3 more than what Died during WWII.
If you will check out Isaiah 28:14-18, you will see that Israel
has made a covenant with "Death and HELL". Recognize them? You
should they are in Rev 6 and ride a pale horse.
The antichrist (Pseudo Christ) will only enforce the covenant
until as you say, the last 3.5 years starts (Abomination of
Desolate Happens). The Hordes (armies) of Gentiles being held
off by this fellow, are no longer held back. As the AOD is seen
by every eye ( a technology statement--CNN and Internet), Those
Israelis who do believe that Jesus (only 1/3 of the population
alive) is the Messiah flees Jerusalem toward Petra. God will
protect them on their journey as well as during the next 3.5
years of nothing but hell on earth.
Blade
#Post#: 1287--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Scripter Date: September 30, 2018, 5:21 pm
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Your vocab has huge issues.
The real replacement problem is Gal 3:17. Judaism replaced the
promise with the law. Until you understand that is underlying
Gal 3, you don't know what you are saying, and there is no
contemporary issue, because it is moot.
I have never heard of pre-, mid- or post- rapture in 45 years
presence in churches or theological study (MCS from Regent
College, Vancouver BC). You must have meant millenium. So you
are on your own there.
Looks like we are now 'rightly dividing' the rapture into
different parts, lol? Will MADness never end?
#Post#: 1291--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: September 30, 2018, 7:35 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=35.msg1287#msg1287
date=1538346098]
Your vocab has huge issues.
The real replacement problem is Gal 3:17. Judaism replaced the
promise with the law. Until you understand that is underlying
Gal 3, you don't know what you are saying, and there is no
contemporary issue, because it is moot.
I have never heard of pre-, mid- or post- rapture in 45 years
presence in churches or theological study (MCS from Regent
College, Vancouver BC). You must have meant millenium. So you
are on your own there.
Looks like we are now 'rightly dividing' the rapture into
different parts, lol? Will MADness never end?
[/quote]
[shadow=Blue,left]Hello Scripter....we meet again and as usual
we are on opposite ends. Gal 3 is known as the Magna Carter of
the Churches. It in it simplest form is a admonishment to the
Galatian a church for the idiocy of the congregation there. Rem,
these are the Jewish that are trying to get from Grace via the
Law to Grace by Faith.
Over 95% of the Churches around the world do not preach anything
about the Rapture to come or the Millennium for that fact. In
most cases, Amillennialism is the main course with Mankind doing
his thing until the return of Jesus in the far far future
As far as rightly dividing the Bible, it seems you missed the
boat. The Law (judaism) and the Prophets stopped at John. The
Kingdom of Heaven gospel preached by the apostles and Jesus was
for the Jewish People and not for the GENTILES. (there were
Gentiles that did convert during this time.) After Jesus Died,
was buried and resurrected according to scripture (1 cor
15:1-4), Acts became the Book (by Mark) that would be the
transitional book from the Law to Grace by Faith.
The Jewish Nation is/has been blinded to this for almost 2000
years. The Talmudic Judahism is a far cry from the Messianic
Judahism the OT shows us. Yet, God will come back for His People
(Israel) as hammerer time and time again in Romans 9,10 and 11.
To think otherwise is to impune the WORD of GOD.
Daniel's 70th week will be to bring the Jewish nation 'to the
wall' (so to speak) making them come to the realization that
Jesus really was their Messiah. From this, we see that a remnant
of these Jewish believers will be saved (in Petra) by GOD
Himself.
Daniel's 70th week in addition will punish the rest of the world
for all their sins. Those that believe in Jesus Christ (brought
about by the 144,000 Jewish Evangelist) will be martyred to show
their believe as the Period of Grace by Faith is over.
All unbelievers will be sent to HELL to await the White Throne
Judgement.
All the survivor nations will go through the Sheep and Goat
Judgements prior to Millennium. Those nations that helped
Israel will survive and live through the Millennial were all the
Gentiles (gentiles only)will have 100 years to decide if they
believe in Jesus Christ. If they do not, then they too will be
placed in HELL to await their fate.
This is the fate of the those Churches that do not preach (1 cor
15:1-4) The teachings of Paul that the only way to Heaven, is
Grace by Faith and Faith alone.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 1382--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Scripter Date: October 3, 2018, 8:15 am
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There is no exactness about the resurrections and some future
events. To believe on Christ is to have the 1st resurrection;
to evade the 2nd death is to have the 2nd resurrection. the
long reign of Christ is taking place now; he was enthroned by
his resurrection in Acts 2:30, the enthronement foreseen by
David. At the end of this reign, this place will be destroyed
(or made a lake of fire) for the rebellious, and the believers
will enjoy the NHNE. There is nothing Judaic to happen,
although there is the harassment of the saints before the final
victory.
#Post#: 1389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: patrick jane Date: October 3, 2018, 9:49 am
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=35.msg1382#msg1382
date=1538572519]
There is no exactness about the resurrections and some future
events. To believe on Christ is to have the 1st resurrection;
to evade the 2nd death is to have the 2nd resurrection. the
long reign of Christ is taking place now; he was enthroned by
his resurrection in Acts 2:30, the enthronement foreseen by
David. At the end of this reign, this place will be destroyed
(or made a lake of fire) for the rebellious, and the believers
will enjoy the NHNE. There is nothing Judaic to happen,
although there is the harassment of the saints before the final
victory.
[/quote]So you don't think God has future dealings with Israel
the nation?
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: October 5, 2018, 9:35 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=35.msg1389#msg1389
date=1538578183]
[quote author=Scripter link=topic=35.msg1382#msg1382
date=1538572519]
There is no exactness about the resurrections and some future
events. To believe on Christ is to have the 1st resurrection;
to evade the 2nd death is to have the 2nd resurrection. the
long reign of Christ is taking place now; he was enthroned by
his resurrection in Acts 2:30, the enthronement foreseen by
David. At the end of this reign, this place will be destroyed
(or made a lake of fire) for the rebellious, and the believers
will enjoy the NHNE. There is nothing Judaic to happen,
although there is the harassment of the saints before the final
victory.
[/quote]So you don't think God has future dealings with Israel
the nation?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
In acts 2:30, states that God Foresaw the enthronement of Jesus
on David's Throne. Gabriel brought forth the message to Mary
that here child would sit on the throne of David.
David's throne was not around in 70 AD so how could Jesus Sit on
it?
Again you are one of the ones that believe in the interpretation
of Amellinnialism. I will say it again,, It is a very Very
Dangerous position to take. Impugning the Character of GOD,
denying the WORD of GOD. But it is your choice.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Scripter Date: October 13, 2018, 6:38 pm
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The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with
replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their
rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in
ancient times.
1, we find from Galatians that the promise was the Gospel all
along. Same with the official sample sermon of Acts 13.
Neither passage seems to have any concern about land or
geographic rights.
2,"Replacement theology" is an invention lately by futurists and
D'ists, to sound persecuted. But in fact, Gal 3:17 shows that
there was someone or something who replaced the promise to
Israel by the Law, and that has been the problem ever since.
That replacement was how Judaism in the 1st century did things.
Paul countered with the fact that the Gospel is the fulfillment
of everything promised, in Acts 13:32, in Gal 3, in Rom 15:6+.
#Post#: 1601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: October 14, 2018, 1:07 am
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=35.msg1595#msg1595
date=1539473913]
The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with
replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their
rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in
ancient times.
1, we find from Galatians that the promise was the Gospel all
along. Same with the official sample sermon of Acts 13.
Neither passage seems to have any concern about land or
geographic rights.
2,"Replacement theology" is an invention lately by futurists and
D'ists, to sound persecuted. But in fact, Gal 3:17 shows that
there was someone or something who replaced the promise to
Israel by the Law, and that has been the problem ever since.
That replacement was how Judaism in the 1st century did things.
Paul countered with the fact that the Gospel is the fulfillment
of everything promised, in Acts 13:32, in Gal 3, in Rom 15:6+.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]This is one of the most dangerous postions to
take in the Bible. Against the WORD of GOD for He tells all of
use the where and How, He will reclaim His People, bring them
through a cleansing fire and place himself in their hearts
forever and ever. These remnant will help Him Rule of Israel.
God throughout the Old and New testament tells us what He is
going to do to and do with Israel at the end days. Romans, 9,10
and 11 gives us details of Israel past, present and future.
In Gen 12:1-4 God told Abraham, those who helped Israel would be
blessed and those that cursed would also be cursed;
So be very crarefully what you ask for!
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 1667--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Scripter Date: October 19, 2018, 8:08 am
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You're not reading things very well.
We find from the NT that it is the faith of Abraham that defines
things. Rom 9, Gal 3. It is not the race or DNA. So the
warning about blessing or cursing is not tied to the nation or
race, it is actually a statement about having faith in Christ,
like Abraham did, Gal 3.
There is therefore no place in the NT where the future holds
another episode for Israel or Judaism. Look at Rom 11. 'they
will be saved.' What did 'saved' mean all through Romans? It
means justification from past sin, and a change regarding
current sin. The 11:26 text also qualifies things further (the
olive tree analogy already did) by saying 'in this way' (the way
of only some of the nation being believers). Then the passage
quotes Isaiah about things already in existence. Paul meant
that they were going on then. The Redeemer had come from Zion.
Look at Rom 2, 8, I Cor 15, Heb 9, 2 Pet 3, Act 17, and find a
clear extended Judaic--Israel future. It's not there.
The blessing promised to Christ is fully completed in the
resurrection, because the resurrection seals that we (us) are
justified from our sins. That is exactly what Acts 13's sermon
was about and Rom 15 through its 4 OT quotes.
There is clearly 'replacement theology' in Heb 8, 9, which is
why it is so strange how the RT people of these past 2 decades
treat Hebrews as an apostolic document. They have many
contortions of it, instead of accepting its shedding of Judaism.
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