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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: patrick jane Date: August 17, 2018, 1:31 pm
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: August 27, 2018, 8:09 pm
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[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg440#msg440
date=1534434871]
* God has not left HIS people behind. This shown throughout
prophecy in the OT and NT. The Covenants are and will be in
effect. especially GEn 12:3. oh, and GOD is in control, HE
left them.
*If you rightly divide the Bible, everything will make sense and
be easier to read ACTs 2:1 was the beginning of the CHurch
because that was the day the Holy Spirit came into the Church.
*These are people that are left behind. You probably know some
that believe in Jesus but do not believe in everythin He has
said.
the 144,000 will evangelize around the world and bring in
multitudes . They themselves will be martyred. The two Witnesses
will bring in many believers after they are rapture to heaven.
These will also Die in Christ. and the OT saints (their souls
are in Heaven already) will be resurrected from their graves
unto life again. They too are redeemed.
Mat 24:29-31 is the 2nd coming of Jesus WITH his elect.(Notice
that all peoples of the earth see him.). 1 Thes 4:13-18 is the
Rapture and only the Church those who are alive and those who
have died in him with see him. A very small crowd. Notice He
does not come to earth but to the clouds and He Comes FOR his
ELECT. These are NOT the same.
I am sorry JOE, There was just no easy way to say it.
Blade
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[/quote]
Blade,
Don't worry about trying to say things the easy way. I
appreciate you being direct.
As to the idea of Matt:24 and 1Thes being similar, but not the
same, I look to Rev 1:4-8. Notice the clouds here too. He comes
in the clouds AND every eye shall see Him.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be
unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which
is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his
throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,
and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings
of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our
sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests
unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever
and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye
shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds
of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John wrote to the seven churches in Asia, which I believe were
literal, historical churches, just like churches are today. Look
what John tells them to look for. It is a coming of Christ with
clouds where every eye shall see him. Please keep in mind that
my main thrust in this discussion is not to convince you of my
position, but for you to see that I can hold to my beliefs and
still be a Bible believer. I consider you to be a Bible
believer.
[/quote]
Hey Joe,,, Of course, I consider you a Bible Believer. I just
cannot for the life of me, figure out what changed your mind to
the Post-rapture view. And I know you see me the same way. Why
can HE not see it?
Hope you have a great evening,
Blade
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest2 Date: September 10, 2018, 1:53 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg460#msg460
date=1534468064]
[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=35.msg404#msg404
date=1534297202]
Daniels 70th week already happened.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
[/quote]
your kidding right.... Christ was crucified in 32 AD, Jerusalem
and the temple were destroyed in 70 AD.
that is a full 38 years (oh, look at this,,,the exact amount of
time Israel spent in the wilderness. Another prophecy
fulfilled.)
How did Daniel's 7oth week already happen pray tell?
Blade
[/quote]
The end of the 70th week was not the end.
The prophecy says that until the end, desolations are
determined.
When one thinks that Jesus is the anti-christ is how one also
get's mixed up on the timing.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: joechan82 Date: September 10, 2018, 10:19 am
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Hey Joe,,, Of course, I consider you a Bible Believer. I just
cannot for the life of me, figure out what changed your mind to
the Post-rapture view. And I know you see me the same way. Why
can HE not see it?
Hope you have a great evening,
Blade
[/quote]
My literal view of interpretation keeps me from becoming
amillennial. I believe that there will be a literal future 1,000
year reign of Christ. It only makes sense that Christ must first
return, before he can rule. The post tribulation and pre-wrath
positions do not go hand in hand with amillennialism. I can't
figure out how you can look at the verses I already used in my
defense and still see a pre-trib rapture. It is very plain to
me.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: September 10, 2018, 7:01 pm
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[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg861#msg861
date=1536592752]
Hey Joe,,, Of course, I consider you a Bible Believer. I just
cannot for the life of me, figure out what changed your mind to
the Post-rapture view. And I know you see me the same way. Why
can HE not see it?
Hope you have a great evening,
Blade
[/quote]
My literal view of interpretation keeps me from becoming
amillennial. I believe that there will be a literal future 1,000
year reign of Christ. It only makes sense that Christ must first
return, before he can rule. The post tribulation and pre-wrath
positions do not go hand in hand with amillennialism. I can't
figure out how you can look at the verses I already used in my
defense and still see a pre-trib rapture. It is very plain to
me.
[/quote]
Joe, WHat I see for a POST-Rapture theology is the fact if all
the believers are Raptured, there will be no-one to populate the
Millennium. No matter how you cut it, there will be no one left.
Even the Remnant Jews will be raptured as they believe.
Oh, there is one other problem. Jesus cannot rapture the Remnant
as his Bride for they are divorced and By His commandments, he
cannot marry them. Only God (the father) can do that as He is
the one who divorced them.
Oh well, Have a great evening
Blade
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: patrick jane Date: September 19, 2018, 8:19 am
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 19, 2018, 9:21 am
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[font=georgia][size=12pt][color=green]People believe all the
evil and corruption that became the Catholic church happened
over many centuries, that's not true. The greatest evils took
place from the turn of the 1st century to the 4th century.
Under Ignatias the bishops basically took over the church, took
over the Headship of Jesus Christ and the management by the Holy
Spirit of the work of the ministry.
People talk about the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit,
you bet. He would never demonstrate or authenticate such
wickedness. They began worshipping the bread, the Eucharist and
substituted the gifts with sacraments.
The miracles, signs and wonders were the coming of the Kingdom
in the lives of people, as the devil was kicked out and as
Christ came to the people their lives were changed 180 degrees.
..sure.
But God withdrew His power, He still worked for they were still
His church. But He no longer worked openly He worked secretly.
THAT'S when the church decided to abandon the doctrine of the
Kingdom and adopted instead amillennialism.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: September 19, 2018, 10:23 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1027#msg1027
date=1537366880]
[font=georgia][size=12pt][color=green]People believe all the
evil and corruption that became the Catholic church happened
over many centuries, that's not true. The greatest evils took
place from the turn of the 1st century to the 4th century.
Under Ignatias the bishops basically took over the church, took
over the Headship of Jesus Christ and the management by the Holy
Spirit of the work of the ministry.
People talk about the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit,
you bet. He would never demonstrate or authenticate such
wickedness. They began worshipping the bread, the Eucharist and
substituted the gifts with sacraments.
The miracles, signs and wonders were the coming of the Kingdom
in the lives of people, as the devil was kicked out and as
Christ came to the people their lives were changed 180 degrees.
..sure.
But God withdrew His power, He still worked for they were still
His church. But He no longer worked openly He worked secretly.
THAT'S when the church decided to abandon the doctrine of the
Kingdom and adopted instead amillennialism.
[/quote]
The ROC was and has been always evil. When you think something
else think of Pope Innocent III who in one afternoon killed more
Christians than all the Caesars of Rome together.
Want to know how bad, Read the Book, "the woman Rides the beast"
by David Hunt.
Blade
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 20, 2018, 8:08 am
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[font=arial]You haff to look at the RCC as two distinct things,
the hierarchy and structure and the laity.
There really are some WONDERFUL servants of Christ in her
midst....the time draws near and probably is now when they must
come out of her "come out of her oh ye My people..." [/font]
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: patrick jane Date: September 20, 2018, 8:19 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=35.msg1046#msg1046
date=1537448926]
[font=arial]You haff to look at the RCC as two distinct things,
the hierarchy and structure and the laity.
There really are some WONDERFUL servants of Christ in her
midst....the time draws near and probably is now when they must
come out of her "come out of her oh ye My people..." [/font]
[/quote]That might explain the thing underneath the Vatican,
evil things. So the good and righteous should come out of her?
Thanks Billy for posting here !!!
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