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#Post#: 364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Sasha Date: August 13, 2018, 8:08 pm
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[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg361#msg361
date=1534204520]
[quote author=Sasha link=topic=35.msg306#msg306 date=1534089816]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg209#msg209
date=1533865090]
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These are the two main arguments of Escathology today.
The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with
replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their
rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in
ancient times. Their covenants were therefore transferred to the
Church (Body of Christ). Because of this, there will be no
Millennial as we are in it and Jesus is ruling spiritually
today.
Premillennialism argues that we are living during the Age of the
Church and the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ is future to us.
There are several disciplines associated with this argument.
They are Pre-Rapture, Mid Rapture or Post Rapture. Post-Rapture
had its day in the mid 1900's but disappeared when the things
did not get any better as was prophesied. It is coming back with
a vengeance.
Through literal, historical and grammatical interpretations of
the Bible (KJV) pre-mil, pre-trib is the only game in town.
Blade
[/quote]
One of my most influential verses in posture are the
following...
Acts 1:6-12
But zoom in on 9-11 then focus on Verse 12 and carry locational
Revelation from verse 12 into Zechariah 14:1-4. Now pair
Zechariah 14:4’s locational revelation and circumstances with
Acts 1:12, then consider the Apostles Question to Christ in Acts
1:6-8, followed by Chriat’s Answer.
If you take it literally and catch it, it should be a Holy moly
moment.
All blessings in Jesus Christ to you.
That’s my opinion, of course. I am aware it can be read many
different ways, but see if you can see it.
[/quote]
I just did as you suggested. Olivet is one of those special
places. Do you think the disciples went there to wait for
Christ's return in Acts 1:12. Or maybe to pray for divine
guidance before going into all the world? Maybe they went there
often to wait. I have friends who have gone to Israel and told
me that it was life changing to walk where He walked.
[/quote]
How could they not have. The Son ascended from there. Now that
you say it, I wish I could go there!
Good point Joe!
#Post#: 365--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: patrick jane Date: August 13, 2018, 8:09 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg363#msg363
date=1534206454]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg334#msg334
date=1534140344]
[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg324#msg324
date=1534129551]
Are you the guy on TF who said the resurrection is actually a
collection of resurrections? That might explain a lot. I might
actually come to believe that. I wish I knew how to make these
threads include the post I am replying to. I have to keep
switching back and forth to see all you said. It looks to me
from reading Rev 20:4 that all those groups of people went
through Daniel's 70th week. Was that your point? I'll try to
figure out how to quote your post in my reply so I can give you
a better answer.
[/quote]
The Church does not go through Daniel's 70th week. The 24 Elders
represent them in Chapter 4 and throughout the 70th week.
All the others that were alive at its beginning lost their
heads if they believed in Jesus Christ. This includes the
144,000 .
The OT saints were dead thus not alive during daniel's 70th week
but were resurrected after the the 70th week and before the
millennium.
The beginning of the Millennium was the end of the 1st
resurrection!
The 2nd resurrection is nothing more that for those that are
unbelievers and must face the White Throne Judgement.
Blade
[/quote]
Here is the point at which we diverge. I say that the church
will go through Daniel's 70th week until wrath begins at the 7th
trumpet. Now we will begin to argue things such as when does
wrath begin, and why Daniel's 70th week includes both the church
and national Israel. I can see this discussion as if it happened
yesterday. I compare Matt 24:29-31 to 1Thess 4:13-8 and see the
exact same event in both passages. Some may say, wait, one is
for the Jews and the other is for the Church, because
dispensationalism says it must be two different events. I say
that dispensationalism is wrong on this point. I think they are
wrong on the definition of the church too. I think the church
started with Christ and the disciples during His earthly
ministry, not at Pentecoste. The church (both the Jewish and
Gentile elements) were grafted into the plan already in
operation. The Jewish believing remnant was joined by the
Samaratins, then the Gentiles. We are not separate from them.
The nation of Israel left God, He did not leave them.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe
of Benjamin.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he
seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest
were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto
the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much
more their fulness?
You said this, "The beginning of the Millennium was the end of
the 1st resurrection!"
I completely agree with this, but it fits with pretribulation or
pre-wrath. If the church is gone before the great tribulation,
where in the world to all the saved people come from that are
beheaded etc?
[/quote]I'd like to tell you what I've run into with MAD. It's
hard to explain for me by typing and other excuses but I know by
reading them and through right division. I think I'm Acts 9 and
that is 1 program 1 dispensation 1 unit. Here is a link and Acts
9 is on top with the Acts 9 and Acts 9/28 and Acts 28 but does
not include Acts 2 or Acts 13.
Very confusing to some. I'm still studying and I study with
Grace Ambassadors and post in my thread from Justin Johnson. I
watch/listen to a lot of his videos too. I know you're busy and
I jump around a bit in my thread but try reading a post
sometimes. I only feature 5 Youtube channels and they are one
and so is Joe at TF, lol.
Chart I'm talking about :
HTML https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/dispensational-timelines-acts-9-acts-28-acts-9-28-hybrid1.pdf
Other Charts :
HTML https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/bible-timeline-other-study-aids/
Grace Ambassadors Youtube channel :
HTML https://www.youtube.com/user/GraceAmbassador
#Post#: 367--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: August 13, 2018, 9:48 pm
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[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg363#msg363
date=1534206454]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg334#msg334
date=1534140344]
[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg324#msg324
date=1534129551]
Are you the guy on TF who said the resurrection is actually a
collection of resurrections? That might explain a lot. I might
actually come to believe that. I wish I knew how to make these
threads include the post I am replying to. I have to keep
switching back and forth to see all you said. It looks to me
from reading Rev 20:4 that all those groups of people went
through Daniel's 70th week. Was that your point? I'll try to
figure out how to quote your post in my reply so I can give you
a better answer.
[/quote]
The Church does not go through Daniel's 70th week. The 24 Elders
represent them in Chapter 4 and throughout the 70th week.
All the others that were alive at its beginning lost their
heads if they believed in Jesus Christ. This includes the
144,000 .
The OT saints were dead thus not alive during daniel's 70th week
but were resurrected after the the 70th week and before the
millennium.
The beginning of the Millennium was the end of the 1st
resurrection!
The 2nd resurrection is nothing more that for those that are
unbelievers and must face the White Throne Judgement.
Blade
[/quote]
Here is the point at which we diverge. I say that the church
will go through Daniel's 70th week until wrath begins at the 7th
trumpet. Now we will begin to argue things such as when does
wrath begin, and why Daniel's 70th week includes both the church
and national Israel. I can see this discussion as if it happened
yesterday. I compare Matt 24:29-31 to 1Thess 4:13-8 and see the
exact same event in both passages. Some may say, wait, one is
for the Jews and the other is for the Church, because
dispensationalism says it must be two different events. I say
that dispensationalism is wrong on this point. I think they are
wrong on the definition of the church too. I think the church
started with Christ and the disciples during His earthly
ministry, not at Pentecoste. The church (both the Jewish and
Gentile elements) were grafted into the plan already in
operation. The Jewish believing remnant was joined by the
Samaratins, then the Gentiles. We are not separate from them.
The nation of Israel left God, He did not leave them.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe
of Benjamin.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he
seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest
were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto
the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much
more their fullness?
You said this, "The beginning of the Millennium was the end of
the 1st resurrection!"
I completely agree with this, but it fits with pre-tribulation
or pre-wrath. If the church is gone before the great
tribulation, where in the world to all the saved people come
from that are beheaded etc?
[/quote]
Where did it go... I had written a fews down and now it is gone.
Oh-well...
Joe, I ask that you read these points.
* God has not left HIS people behind. This shown throughout
prophecy in the OT and NT. The Covenants are and will be in
effect. especially GEn 12:3. oh, and GOD is in control, HE
left them.
*If you rightly divide the Bible, everything will make sense and
be easier to read ACTs 2:1 was the beginning of the CHurch
because that was the day the Holy Spirit came into the Church.
*These are people that are left behind. You probably know some
that believe in Jesus but do not believe in everythin He has
said.
the 144,000 will evangelize around the world and bring in
multitudes . They themselves will be martyred. The two Witnesses
will bring in many believers after they are rapture to heaven.
These will also Die in Christ. and the OT saints (their souls
are in Heaven already) will be resurrected from their graves
unto life again. They too are redeemed.
The Jews that flee Jerusalem when the Antichrist performed the
Abomination of Desolate, will be protected by GOD (the Father)
in the mountains of Petra. There He will feed and water them for
the next 3. 5 years of Daniel's 70th week. These Jews will He
give New Covenant, Jeremiah speaks of, into their hearts and
removes all of their sins, forever. They will rule the Nation of
Israel with Jesus during the millennium. Their Children will
have 100 years to decide (to believe or Not to believe)
The last group are those that lived through Daniel's 70th week.
They are the "maybe" believers as all the unbelievers are dead.
These did not take the mark of the beast but managed to survive.
They will be given land and will turn their swords into plows.
They will have 100 years to make a decision (to believe or Not
to Believe).
The Church (body of Christ) saints will judge from Thrones with
Jesus
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord day and night. (at
what I do not know)
It does not say what the 144,000 will be doing.
Blade
#Post#: 394--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: joechan82 Date: August 14, 2018, 4:17 pm
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[quote author=Sasha link=topic=35.msg364#msg364 date=1534208893]
[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg361#msg361
date=1534204520]
[quote author=Sasha link=topic=35.msg306#msg306 date=1534089816]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=35.msg209#msg209
date=1533865090]
HTML https://redeeminggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/theology-570x420.jpg
[img]
HTML http://www.desales.edu/images/default-source/headers_undergrad/theology.png?sfvrsn=0[/img]
These are the two main arguments of Escathology today.
The amellinnialism argument is usually associated with
replacement theology which states that Israel forfeited their
rights to the covenants given to them by GOD (Jehovah) in
ancient times. Their covenants were therefore transferred to the
Church (Body of Christ). Because of this, there will be no
Millennial as we are in it and Jesus is ruling spiritually
today.
Premillennialism argues that we are living during the Age of the
Church and the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ is future to us.
There are several disciplines associated with this argument.
They are Pre-Rapture, Mid Rapture or Post Rapture. Post-Rapture
had its day in the mid 1900's but disappeared when the things
did not get any better as was prophesied. It is coming back with
a vengeance.
Through literal, historical and grammatical interpretations of
the Bible (KJV) pre-mil, pre-trib is the only game in town.
Blade
[/quote]
One of my most influential verses in posture are the
following...
Acts 1:6-12
But zoom in on 9-11 then focus on Verse 12 and carry locational
Revelation from verse 12 into Zechariah 14:1-4. Now pair
Zechariah 14:4’s locational revelation and circumstances with
Acts 1:12, then consider the Apostles Question to Christ in Acts
1:6-8, followed by Chriat’s Answer.
If you take it literally and catch it, it should be a Holy moly
moment.
All blessings in Jesus Christ to you.
That’s my opinion, of course. I am aware it can be read many
different ways, but see if you can see it.
[/quote]
I just did as you suggested. Olivet is one of those special
places. Do you think the disciples went there to wait for
Christ's return in Acts 1:12. Or maybe to pray for divine
guidance before going into all the world? Maybe they went there
often to wait. I have friends who have gone to Israel and told
me that it was life changing to walk where He walked.
[/quote]
How could they not have. The Son ascended from there. Now that
you say it, I wish I could go there!
Good point Joe!
[/quote]
It has to be amazing beyond belief. If I read my Bible right, we
will have a chance to see the Lord return there one day soon.
#Post#: 395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: joechan82 Date: August 14, 2018, 4:45 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Here is the point at which we diverge. I say that the church
will go through Daniel's 70th week until wrath begins at the 7th
trumpet. Now we will begin to argue things such as when does
wrath begin, and why Daniel's 70th week includes both the church
and national Israel. I can see this discussion as if it happened
yesterday. I compare Matt 24:29-31 to 1Thess 4:13-8 and see the
exact same event in both passages. Some may say, wait, one is
for the Jews and the other is for the Church, because
dispensationalism says it must be two different events. I say
that dispensationalism is wrong on this point. I think they are
wrong on the definition of the church too. I think the church
started with Christ and the disciples during His earthly
ministry, not at Pentecoste. The church (both the Jewish and
Gentile elements) were grafted into the plan already in
operation. The Jewish believing remnant was joined by the
Samaratins, then the Gentiles. We are not separate from them.
The nation of Israel left God, He did not leave them.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe
of Benjamin.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he
seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest
were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto
the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much
more their fullness?
You said this, "The beginning of the Millennium was the end of
the 1st resurrection!"
I completely agree with this, but it fits with pre-tribulation
or pre-wrath. If the church is gone before the great
tribulation, where in the world to all the saved people come
from that are beheaded etc?
[/quote]
Where did it go... I had written a fews down and now it is gone.
Oh-well...
Joe, I ask that you read these points.
* God has not left HIS people behind. This shown throughout
prophecy in the OT and NT. The Covenants are and will be in
effect. especially GEn 12:3. oh, and GOD is in control, HE
left them.
*If you rightly divide the Bible, everything will make sense and
be easier to read ACTs 2:1 was the beginning of the CHurch
because that was the day the Holy Spirit came into the Church.
*These are people that are left behind. You probably know some
that believe in Jesus but do not believe in everythin He has
said.
the 144,000 will evangelize around the world and bring in
multitudes . They themselves will be martyred. The two Witnesses
will bring in many believers after they are rapture to heaven.
These will also Die in Christ. and the OT saints (their souls
are in Heaven already) will be resurrected from their graves
unto life again. They too are redeemed.
The Jews that flee Jerusalem when the Antichrist performed the
Abomination of Desolate, will be protected by GOD (the Father)
in the mountains of Petra. There He will feed and water them for
the next 3. 5 years of Daniel's 70th week. These Jews will He
give New Covenant, Jeremiah speaks of, into their hearts and
removes all of their sins, forever. They will rule the Nation of
Israel with Jesus during the millennium. Their Children will
have 100 years to decide (to believe or Not to believe)
The last group are those that lived through Daniel's 70th week.
They are the "maybe" believers as all the unbelievers are dead.
These did not take the mark of the beast but managed to survive.
They will be given land and will turn their swords into plows.
They will have 100 years to make a decision (to believe or Not
to Believe).
The Church (body of Christ) saints will judge from Thrones with
Jesus
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord day and night. (at
what I do not know)
It does not say what the 144,000 will be doing.
Blade
[/quote]
I need to learn how to quote just part of the conversations.
When I quote a post, it quotes all the posts that have been
quoted. I have read the book called One Book Rightly Divided, so
I know what you mean by 'rightly dividing'. That alone should
help you see where I am coming from. I just have some verses
that challenge where exactly to divide. I am not pretending to
be schooling you. I just want you to see where I am coming from.
I already cited Matt 24:29-31 compared to 1Thes 4:13-18 so I
won't keep saying the same thing over and over. I assume that
you are very familiar with those verses, and can hopefully see
why I see one event, not two.
My next comparison of passages is Matt 24:15-21 with 2Thes
2:1-4. Here Paul tells the church to look for the abomination of
desolation, just like Jesus said in Matt 24. If Matt 24 is just
for the Jews, why then does Paul explain it to the church?
#Post#: 399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: August 14, 2018, 7:34 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=joechan82 link=topic=35.msg395#msg395
date=1534283129]
Here is the point at which we diverge. I say that the church
will go through Daniel's 70th week until wrath begins at the 7th
trumpet. Now we will begin to argue things such as when does
wrath begin, and why Daniel's 70th week includes both the church
and national Israel. I can see this discussion as if it happened
yesterday. I compare Matt 24:29-31 to 1Thess 4:13-8 and see the
exact same event in both passages. Some may say, wait, one is
for the Jews and the other is for the Church, because
dispensationalism says it must be two different events. I say
that dispensationalism is wrong on this point. I think they are
wrong on the definition of the church too. I think the church
started with Christ and the disciples during His earthly
ministry, not at Pentecoste. The church (both the Jewish and
Gentile elements) were grafted into the plan already in
operation. The Jewish believing remnant was joined by the
Samaratins, then the Gentiles. We are not separate from them.
The nation of Israel left God, He did not leave them.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe
of Benjamin.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he
seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest
were blinded
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto
the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world,
and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much
more their fullness?
You said this, "The beginning of the Millennium was the end of
the 1st resurrection!"
I completely agree with this, but it fits with pre-tribulation
or pre-wrath. If the church is gone before the great
tribulation, where in the world to all the saved people come
from that are beheaded etc?
[/quote]
Where did it go... I had written a fews down and now it is gone.
Oh-well...
Joe, I ask that you read these points.
* God has not left HIS people behind. This shown throughout
prophecy in the OT and NT. The Covenants are and will be in
effect. especially GEn 12:3. oh, and GOD is in control, HE
left them.
*If you rightly divide the Bible, everything will make sense and
be easier to read ACTs 2:1 was the beginning of the CHurch
because that was the day the Holy Spirit came into the Church.
*These are people that are left behind. You probably know some
that believe in Jesus but do not believe in everythin He has
said.
the 144,000 will evangelize around the world and bring in
multitudes . They themselves will be martyred. The two Witnesses
will bring in many believers after they are rapture to heaven.
These will also Die in Christ. and the OT saints (their souls
are in Heaven already) will be resurrected from their graves
unto life again. They too are redeemed.
The Jews that flee Jerusalem when the Antichrist performed the
Abomination of Desolate, will be protected by GOD (the Father)
in the mountains of Petra. There He will feed and water them for
the next 3. 5 years of Daniel's 70th week. These Jews will He
give New Covenant, Jeremiah speaks of, into their hearts and
removes all of their sins, forever. They will rule the Nation of
Israel with Jesus during the millennium. Their Children will
have 100 years to decide (to believe or Not to believe)
The last group are those that lived through Daniel's 70th week.
They are the "maybe" believers as all the unbelievers are dead.
These did not take the mark of the beast but managed to survive.
They will be given land and will turn their swords into plows.
They will have 100 years to make a decision (to believe or Not
to Believe).
The Church (body of Christ) saints will judge from Thrones with
Jesus
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord day and night. (at
what I do not know)
It does not say what the 144,000 will be doing.
Blade
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I need to learn how to quote just part of the conversations.
When I quote a post, it quotes all the posts that have been
quoted. I have read the book called One Book Rightly Divided, so
I know what you mean by 'rightly dividing'. That alone should
help you see where I am coming from. I just have some verses
that challenge where exactly to divide. I am not pretending to
be schooling you. I just want you to see where I am coming from.
I already cited Matt 24:29-31 compared to 1Thes 4:13-18 so I
won't keep saying the same thing over and over. I assume that
you are very familiar with those verses, and can hopefully see
why I see one event, not two.
My next comparison of passages is Matt 24:15-21 with 2Thes
2:1-4. Here Paul tells the church to look for the abomination of
desolation, just like Jesus said in Matt 24. If Matt 24 is just
for the Jews, why then does Paul explain it to the church?
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Joe, I don't know what to say. Mat 24:15-21 AOD, prophecy by
(Daniel),... and 2 thes 2:1-4 The Rapture of the Churchand
then the public viewing of the antichrist...These are close but
they are not the same.
Mat 24:29-31 is the 2nd coming of Jesus WITH his elect.(Notice
that all peoples of the earth see him.). 1 Thes 4:13-18 is the
Rapture and only the Church those who are alive and those who
have died in him with see him. A very small crowd. Notice He
does not come to earth but to the clouds and He Comes FOR his
ELECT. These are NOT the same.
I am sorry JOE, There was just no easy way to say it.
Blade
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest2 Date: August 14, 2018, 8:40 pm
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Daniels 70th week already happened.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: guest8 Date: August 14, 2018, 9:08 pm
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[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=35.msg404#msg404
date=1534297202]
Daniels 70th week already happened.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
[/quote]
Hey 1mind1spirit.. I remember you from TF. Amillennialism isn't
it.? Thought so
Have a good evening
Blade
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 15, 2018, 5:01 am
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Antichrist will have reigned, will have opposed everything
called god [that IS the great tribulation] and seated himself in
the temple declaring himself to be God, THEN the Lord descends
from heaven with a shout and destroys Antichrist...this is the
same coming of the Lord in which we meet Him in the air.
So this is the end of Antichrist not his first revealing.
The mistake [as I see it] is in equating Tribulation with Wrath
of God.
Jesus says in the little apocalypses AFTER the tribulation of
those days....they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds
with great power and glory and gather His elect....the tribes of
the earth will mourn etc. He then describes what amounts to the
wrath of God.
The same with John, the same with 2.Thess.1&2....definitely
Antichrist comes first, and with him the most horrendous
persecution ever...that IS the Great Tribulation.
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Re: Amillennialism or Premillennialism
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 15, 2018, 5:08 am
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There's a trick to prophecy, I hope this will be a blessing.
Make Revelations fit into the prophecies of open scripture, as
in Paul and the little apocalypses of Jesus along with the OT
prophets, don't try to make the open prophecies fit into
Revelations....there is where people get tangled.
Everything WE as the church need to know is in the open
scriptures, a lot of Revs concerns the Jews.
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