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#Post#: 4103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 24, 2019, 10:36 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=349.msg3968#msg3968
date=1550430318]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3958#msg3958
date=1550409855]
> As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in
you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his
anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is
real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:27
>
--- End Quote ---
I know that I'm saved if I finish the race. I no longer believe
in OSAS, there's just to many variables. I'm saved UNLESS I
reject Jesus Christ in the future and IF it stands, as in if it
my final statement to God. As far as I'm concerned that is
impossible for me to do. I have actually tried to not believe in
my lifetime and I can't do it. I tried to reject God and I
cursed God. I did this from seeing the abuse of children, the
elderly and helpless people. I could not accept the pain and
suffering being experienced by innocent, good people. I haven't
even mentioned the poor animals. I just thought God could do
better.
I thought I could do better with the "minor" details of each and
every precious life that God created. Maybe I would be more
forgiving and more loving . . . If I was GOD. Foolishness that I
didn't see at the time. I was younger and dumber. About 7 years
ago I came back to seeking God. I have not been disappointed.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Romans 8:29-30 tells us "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he
justified, them he also glorified."
John 6:39..."And this is the will of God, that I should not lose
even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise
them up at the last day." Is this (OSAS)? Sure looks like it to
me .
To Deny Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:39 literal meanings would be
to deny GOD and ones destiny. A lot of people reject these two
in favor of Free Will which they do not recognize they have had
all along.
If ages past, GOD foreknew everyone and did see the outcomes of
everything and everyone. For those that Loved and Believed in
Him, He predestined if for nothing else than to protect them(?)
until He called them. Thereby conditioning their heart to accept
HIM. For those He called, He tells us He did Justify (Salvation)
and for those HE justified, He sanctified and glorified.
Please keep in mind, with the above verses, carnal Christians do
not exist. Thus, OSAS does not give a license to sin to anyone.
The True Christian is walking toward Sanctification with the
help of the Holy Spirit within them.
If the Holy Spirit is not within them, they DO NOT HAVE
SALVATION! Thus they are Christians in name only.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
I have always viewed OSAS as true from God's perspective. From
our point of view as men, it often does not appear that way, but
the parable of the sower kind of lays it out clearly. There
were certain types of ground where the seed sprang up but did
not flourish and survive, but the Ground the sower had prepared,
bore fruit.
That is the way I see it currently at least. I'm just glad God
is in charge of it all.
#Post#: 4105--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 24, 2019, 12:31 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=349.msg3972#msg3972
date=1550464853]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=349.msg3968#msg3968
date=1550430318]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3958#msg3958
date=1550409855]
> As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in
you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his
anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is
real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:27
>
--- End Quote ---
I know that I'm saved if I finish the race. I no longer believe
in OSAS, there's just to many variables. I'm saved UNLESS I
reject Jesus Christ in the future and IF it stands, as in if it
my final statement to God. As far as I'm concerned that is
impossible for me to do. I have actually tried to not believe in
my lifetime and I can't do it. I tried to reject God and I
cursed God. I did this from seeing the abuse of children, the
elderly and helpless people. I could not accept the pain and
suffering being experienced by innocent, good people. I haven't
even mentioned the poor animals. I just thought God could do
better.
I thought I could do better with the "minor" details of each and
every precious life that God created. Maybe I would be more
forgiving and more loving . . . If I was GOD. Foolishness that I
didn't see at the time. I was younger and dumber. About 7 years
ago I came back to seeking God. I have not been disappointed.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Romans 8:29-30 tells us "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he
justified, them he also glorified."
John 6:39..."And this is the will of God, that I should not lose
even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise
them up at the last day." Is this (OSAS)? Sure looks like it to
me .
To Deny Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:39 literal meanings would be
to deny GOD and ones destiny. A lot of people reject these two
in favor of Free Will which they do not recognize they have had
all along.
If ages past, GOD foreknew everyone and did see the outcomes of
everything and everyone. For those that Loved and Believed in
Him, He predestined if for nothing else than to protect them(?)
until He called them. Thereby conditioning their heart to accept
HIM. For those He called, He tells us He did Justify (Salvation)
and for those HE justified, He sanctified and glorified.
Please keep in mind, with the above verses, carnal Christians do
not exist. Thus, OSAS does not give a license to sin to anyone.
The True Christian is walking toward Sanctification with the
help of the Holy Spirit within them.
If the Holy Spirit is not within them, they DO NOT HAVE
SALVATION! Thus they are Christians in name only.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
I have always viewed OSAS as true from God's perspective. From
our point of view as men, it often does not appear that way, but
the parable of the sower kind of lays it out clearly. There
were certain types of ground where the seed sprang up but did
not flourish and survive, but the Ground the sower had prepared,
bore fruit.
That is the way I see it currently at least. I'm just glad God
is in charge of it all.
[/quote]John 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and
every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may
bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto
you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of
itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye
abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and
I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye
can do nothing.
6 [size=18pt]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a
branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into
the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask
what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so
shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye
in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even
as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain
in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have
loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his
life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth
not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all
things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto
you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained
you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your
fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father
in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it
hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but
because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of
the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not
greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will
also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep
yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's
sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man
did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated
both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled
that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you
from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from
the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me
from the beginning.
[/size]
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
#Post#: 5276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 29, 2019, 9:30 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg4103#msg4103
date=1551026217]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=349.msg3972#msg3972
date=1550464853]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=349.msg3968#msg3968
date=1550430318]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3958#msg3958
date=1550409855]
> As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in
you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his
anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is
real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:27
>
--- End Quote ---
I know that I'm saved if I finish the race. I no longer believe
in OSAS, there's just to many variables. I'm saved UNLESS I
reject Jesus Christ in the future and IF it stands, as in if it
my final statement to God. As far as I'm concerned that is
impossible for me to do. I have actually tried to not believe in
my lifetime and I can't do it. I tried to reject God and I
cursed God. I did this from seeing the abuse of children, the
elderly and helpless people. I could not accept the pain and
suffering being experienced by innocent, good people. I haven't
even mentioned the poor animals. I just thought God could do
better.
I thought I could do better with the "minor" details of each and
every precious life that God created. Maybe I would be more
forgiving and more loving . . . If I was GOD. Foolishness that I
didn't see at the time. I was younger and dumber. About 7 years
ago I came back to seeking God. I have not been disappointed.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Romans 8:29-30 tells us "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he
justified, them he also glorified."
John 6:39..."And this is the will of God, that I should not lose
even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise
them up at the last day." Is this (OSAS)? Sure looks like it to
me .
To Deny Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:39 literal meanings would be
to deny GOD and ones destiny. A lot of people reject these two
in favor of Free Will which they do not recognize they have had
all along.
If ages past, GOD foreknew everyone and did see the outcomes of
everything and everyone. For those that Loved and Believed in
Him, He predestined if for nothing else than to protect them(?)
until He called them. Thereby conditioning their heart to accept
HIM. For those He called, He tells us He did Justify (Salvation)
and for those HE justified, He sanctified and glorified.
Please keep in mind, with the above verses, carnal Christians do
not exist. Thus, OSAS does not give a license to sin to anyone.
The True Christian is walking toward Sanctification with the
help of the Holy Spirit within them.
If the Holy Spirit is not within them, they DO NOT HAVE
SALVATION! Thus they are Christians in name only.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
I have always viewed OSAS as true from God's perspective. From
our point of view as men, it often does not appear that way, but
the parable of the sower kind of lays it out clearly. There
were certain types of ground where the seed sprang up but did
not flourish and survive, but the Ground the sower had prepared,
bore fruit.
That is the way I see it currently at least. I'm just glad God
is in charge of it all.
[/quote]John 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and
every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may
bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto
you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of
itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye
abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and
I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye
can do nothing.
6 [size=18pt]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a
branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into
the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask
what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so
shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye
in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even
as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain
in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have
loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his
life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth
not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all
things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto
you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained
you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your
fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father
in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it
hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but
because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of
the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not
greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will
also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep
yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's
sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man
did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated
both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled
that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you
from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from
the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me
from the beginning.
[/size]
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Good post
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:54 am
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I concur
#Post#: 6342--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> I concur
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 6354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest17
Date: June 12, 2019, 11:32 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think it's a good idea for me to go there, doing
anything I wanted to do even if I was still saved. There was
even a time when I wanted some payback. But God helped me to
move beyond that.
There are some things I would stop doing. Like beating myself up
about little things. Worrying and stressing about some things
that are in the past. Worrying about things that I can't change
or have no control over. Letting things that other people say
get to me.
What I would like to start doing; spending more time with my
family, children and grandchildren. Get more exercise. Eat more
healthy food. Improve my health. Improve my memory. Have more
energy. Eliminate my pain. …...Grow even more closer to God. :)
#Post#: 6721--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 29, 2019, 11:26 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: truthjourney link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3711#msg3711
date=1549459853]
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think it's a good idea for me to go there, doing
anything I wanted to do even if I was still saved. There was
even a time when I wanted some payback. But God helped me to
move beyond that.
There are some things I would stop doing. Like beating myself up
about little things. Worrying and stressing about some things
that are in the past. Worrying about things that I can't change
or have no control over. Letting things that other people say
get to me.
What I would like to start doing; spending more time with my
family, children and grandchildren. Get more exercise. Eat more
healthy food. Improve my health. Improve my memory. Have more
energy. Eliminate my pain. …...Grow even more closer to God. :)
[/quote]I agree TJ.
#Post#: 6966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: July 11, 2019, 5:57 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=truthjourney link=topic=349.msg6354#msg6354
date=1560400334]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3711#msg3711
date=1549459853]
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think it's a good idea for me to go there, doing
anything I wanted to do even if I was still saved. There was
even a time when I wanted some payback. But God helped me to
move beyond that.
There are some things I would stop doing. Like beating myself up
about little things. Worrying and stressing about some things
that are in the past. Worrying about things that I can't change
or have no control over. Letting things that other people say
get to me.
What I would like to start doing; spending more time with my
family, children and grandchildren. Get more exercise. Eat more
healthy food. Improve my health. Improve my memory. Have more
energy. Eliminate my pain. …...Grow even more closer to God. :)
[/quote]I agree TJ.
[/quote]Yes.
#Post#: 15839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 4, 2020, 1:35 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Whatever
#Post#: 17806--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 21, 2020, 3:53 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Whatever
>
--- End Quote ---
Anything goes
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