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#Post#: 3711--------------------------------------------------
Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 6, 2019, 7:30 am
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I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were saved
no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated your
body, what would you start doing differently?
So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
#Post#: 3712--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 6, 2019, 8:05 am
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would immediately kill myself. No, kidding but I would be so
thankful and humbled. I truly believe that I have that blessed
assurance now anyway but I do not believe in OSAS anymore. I
started listening to a young preacher who is all about obedience
and repentance. So I suppose I would hit the road and preach
Jesus Christ all day everyday. I would also stop wondering and
worrying about death and dying.
#Post#: 3716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:39 am
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Interesting? I have always wondered about OSAS. I suppose it
all comes down to the way you view it. God is omnipotent so He
must know the ultimate fate of each man and thus know the ones
that will be saved and those that will be lost. Therefore from
God's perspective it is OSAS. But we are human and definitely
NOT omnipotent so we can't know that.
We are saved by God through our faith so the only reason that I
can see for losing it would be if we lost our faith. Obedience
and repentance appear to be part of the growth and discipline
that Christ's yoke puts on us but thank God it is a training
yoke.
Since it is our faith that connects us to God's salvation it
would seem that the only way satan can attack and defeat us
would be to destroy our faith since that is the only part that
is our's to play. I think that the devil knows this. He knows
that no matter how many times he gets us to mess up, God's grace
abounds all the more. It follows then that the only purpose in
getting us to mess up is not to get us kicked out but to get us
looking at ourselves and thinking God can't save us, thus
destroying our faith.
Those are my thoughts on it anyway.
#Post#: 3717--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 6, 2019, 10:01 am
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> Interesting? I have always wondered about OSAS. I suppose it
all comes down to the way you view it. God is omnipotent so He
must know the ultimate fate of each man and thus know the ones
that will be saved and those that will be lost. Therefore from
God's perspective it is OSAS. But we are human and definitely
NOT omnipotent so we can't know that.
>
> We are saved by God through our faith so the only reason that
I can see for losing it would be if we lost our faith.
Obedience and repentance appear to be part of the growth and
discipline that Christ's yoke puts on us but thank God it is a
training yoke.
>
> Since it is our faith that connects us to God's salvation it
would seem that the only way satan can attack and defeat us
would be to destroy our faith since that is the only part that
is our's to play. I think that the devil knows this. He knows
that no matter how many times he gets us to mess up, God's grace
abounds all the more. It follows then that the only purpose in
getting us to mess up is not to get us kicked out but to get us
looking at ourselves and thinking God can't save us, thus
destroying our faith.
>
> Those are my thoughts on it anyway.
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed, and the enemy is working on me now. It seems that I go
through cycles or phases where I feel very close to God and that
I'm totally connected to His love and grace and power. Then I
start to feel far away and I don't pray and God seems distant
and my faith is tested or shaken a bit. Right now I'm torn
between eternal security and obedience. The young guy I'm
talking about is posted on this forum under the Anchored
Alliance Forum under Joe the Tattooed Theist. One month ago I
disagreed strongly with Jon Singleton but he does make sense.
Watch or listen to a couple of his vids if you get time. Blade
has done that and he disagrees with the kid's teachings.
I know we can't simply continue in willful sin once we are in
Christ but how far does it go? Because I smoke cigs and
occasionally weed, so is that willful sin? Then what about
eating poorly and obesity and just plain overeating? Smoking is
the only thing I do that's blatantly bad for my body, but we
know that we sin in thought as well. This kid Jon acts like GT
as if he obeys perfectly. He likes to "expose" popular preachers
trying to gain an audience. I debated him live on flat earth so
I like him and decided to ask him if I could post his videos. It
just gets the dialogue going whether we agree with him or not.
#Post#: 3721--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 6, 2019, 10:42 am
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Well, let's consider what Christ says about things consumed.
“Do you still not understand?” Jesus asked.
“Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth
goes into the stomach and then is eliminated? But the things
that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things
defile a man ~Matt 15:16-18
In other words Jesus is saying that it is not what we consume
that defiles us but it is what comes out of us is what defiles
us.
The only way that we can have goodness in us to come out is to
have God put it there and this means we don't resist. I have
struggles with doubts from time to time. Especially when it
comes to science, but at those times I simply choose to believe
and realize that I don't need to know the how or even the why, I
just need to trust Him.
Having times of struggling and doubt is totally normal. That's
why it is called faith. As John put it in 1 John 3: 19-20 And
by this we will know that we belong to the truth, and will
assure our hearts in His presence: If our hearts condemn us, God
is greater than our hearts, and He knows all things.
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship
of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has
seen. Such a man is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual
mind, and he loses connection to the head, from whom the whole
body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments,
grows as God causes it to grow.…Col 2:18-19
#Post#: 3863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 12, 2019, 6:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would continue in my bad habits of smoking, drinking a little,
marijuana and occasional gambling. I believe that we can know we
are saved in this life and we ARE saved by believing and
trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross. Unbelief is
what cut Israel off. Of course repentance is necessary as we
cannot continue in willful sin. This would now get into what we
regard as sinful. Jesus says it's not what goes into the body
that defiles but rather, what comes out.
If I regard weed and alcohol in moderation to be not sinful then
so be it. Who will put a stumblingblock before me? They are both
products of nature. I was Catholic early in life so I feel guilt
and shame over things that most others don't. I know I'm
destroying my body with cigarettes and related things but I
could also die in a million different other ways before
tomorrow.
Knowing and speaking with God and being told that I am saved no
matter what would most likely turn me into a preacher and public
speaker of some kind like Joe the TF owner. If I had that
conversation with God I would stop everything harmful to myself
and eat healthier. I would probably still be on forums though,
Hah !!!
#Post#: 3923--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 15, 2019, 7:07 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3711#msg3711
date=1549459853]
> I remember the day I was sitting, looking out over the river
pondering my eternal state with God and this question popped
into my head.
>
> If God came to you right now and guaranteed that you were
saved no matter what you did, how you behaved or how you treated
your body, what would you start doing differently?
>
> So I pass this question on to anyone caring to answer it. If
you can do anything you want to do and still be saved, what
would you start doing and what would you stop doing.
>
--- End Quote ---
I would continue in my bad habits of smoking, drinking a little,
marijuana and occasional gambling. I believe that we can know we
are saved in this life and we ARE saved by believing and
trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross. Unbelief is
what cut Israel off. Of course repentance is necessary as we
cannot continue in willful sin. This would now get into what we
regard as sinful. Jesus says it's not what goes into the body
that defiles but rather, what comes out.
If I regard weed and alcohol in moderation to be not sinful then
so be it. Who will put a stumblingblock before me? They are both
products of nature. I was Catholic early in life so I feel guilt
and shame over things that most others don't. I know I'm
destroying my body with cigarettes and related things but I
could also die in a million different other ways before
tomorrow.
Knowing and speaking with God and being told that I am saved no
matter what would most likely turn me into a preacher and public
speaker of some kind like Joe the TF owner. If I had that
conversation with God I would stop everything harmful to myself
and eat healthier. I would probably still be on forums though,
Hah !!!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]My dear Bother in Christ. As the True
Christian, you say your are; I believe Jesus does not want you
to go through life in a black and grey environment only eating
Manna, wearing sackcloth everyday, etc.
If this were not the case: Then why has he given you taste buds
and created Chocolate for your pleasure? Why did He give you
color vision so you could see the creations He made and all its
splendors in color. Why are you wearing blue jeans or other
comfortable clothing, instead of sack cloth. I don't suppose you
thought about where the great sirloin steak came from. A
Cow,,,,,yes, a Cow GOD made!
Jesus wants us to live a good comfortable life but remember
this, He made it all and He gave it to you (even though you may
have bought it). It is all HIS!
Again, Listen to the Holy Spirit within you, for He will guide
you, teach you and protect you from the evil forces of this
world.
God comes FIRST in ALL THINGS
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3958--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 17, 2019, 7:24 am
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As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you,
and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing
teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not
counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John
2:27
#Post#: 3968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 17, 2019, 1:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in
you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his
anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is
real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:27
>
--- End Quote ---
I know that I'm saved if I finish the race. I no longer believe
in OSAS, there's just to many variables. I'm saved UNLESS I
reject Jesus Christ in the future and IF it stands, as in if it
my final statement to God. As far as I'm concerned that is
impossible for me to do. I have actually tried to not believe in
my lifetime and I can't do it. I tried to reject God and I
cursed God. I did this from seeing the abuse of children, the
elderly and helpless people. I could not accept the pain and
suffering being experienced by innocent, good people. I haven't
even mentioned the poor animals. I just thought God could do
better.
I thought I could do better with the "minor" details of each and
every precious life that God created. Maybe I would be more
forgiving and more loving . . . If I was GOD. Foolishness that I
didn't see at the time. I was younger and dumber. About 7 years
ago I came back to seeking God. I have not been disappointed.
#Post#: 3972--------------------------------------------------
Re: Do Whatever You Want: Freedom In Christ?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 17, 2019, 10:40 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=349.msg3958#msg3958
date=1550409855]
> As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in
you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his
anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is
real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2:27
>
--- End Quote ---
I know that I'm saved if I finish the race. I no longer believe
in OSAS, there's just to many variables. I'm saved UNLESS I
reject Jesus Christ in the future and IF it stands, as in if it
my final statement to God. As far as I'm concerned that is
impossible for me to do. I have actually tried to not believe in
my lifetime and I can't do it. I tried to reject God and I
cursed God. I did this from seeing the abuse of children, the
elderly and helpless people. I could not accept the pain and
suffering being experienced by innocent, good people. I haven't
even mentioned the poor animals. I just thought God could do
better.
I thought I could do better with the "minor" details of each and
every precious life that God created. Maybe I would be more
forgiving and more loving . . . If I was GOD. Foolishness that I
didn't see at the time. I was younger and dumber. About 7 years
ago I came back to seeking God. I have not been disappointed.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Romans 8:29-30 tells us "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
v30...Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he
justified, them he also glorified."
John 6:39..."And this is the will of God, that I should not lose
even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise
them up at the last day." Is this (OSAS)? Sure looks like it to
me .
To Deny Romans 8:29-30 and John 6:39 literal meanings would be
to deny GOD and ones destiny. A lot of people reject these two
in favor of Free Will which they do not recognize they have had
all along.
If ages past, GOD foreknew everyone and did see the outcomes of
everything and everyone. For those that Loved and Believed in
Him, He predestined if for nothing else than to protect them(?)
until He called them. Thereby conditioning their heart to accept
HIM. For those He called, He tells us He did Justify (Salvation)
and for those HE justified, He sanctified and glorified.
Please keep in mind, with the above verses, carnal Christians do
not exist. Thus, OSAS does not give a license to sin to anyone.
The True Christian is walking toward Sanctification with the
help of the Holy Spirit within them.
If the Holy Spirit is not within them, they DO NOT HAVE
SALVATION! Thus they are Christians in name only.
Blade[/shadow]
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