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From a Calvinist Perspective: Comments
By: guest8 Date: February 5, 2019, 10:32 pm
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Hi, I consider myself a leaky Calvinist. The reason I say
leaky, is that I do not completely follow the namesake of the
Calvinist theology (John Calvin).
Most people get Roman 8:29-30 all wrong but admit: "Obviously we
cannot transform ourselves. Only the power of God can do that."
Are you like others before you, who say men were born of sin but
have no Free-Will. I want to ask...Was Adam and EVE predestined?
Were they saved by the Grace of GOD? Jesus had not died on the
Cross YET! I expect, when we get to heaven we will see both of
them there.
One thing I can tell you is that Adam had Free Will. So did Eve.
She did not have to follow Satan's advise but by her own
Free-Will she did. Adam did not have to partake of the fruit
even though Eve gave it to him but by his own Free-Will he
did.....
Thus, Free-Will was created in both Adam and Eve by GOD and the
sin that we have, was brought on by mankind's downfall.
Don't blame God for something our forefathers did!.
For John 3:16 tell us.."For God so loved the world, that he gave
his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life."
Yes, for God in an eternity past already knew each of us and
knew what we would do given the choice of being with Him for an
Eternity or being without Him for an Eternity.
Those that would accept HIM, He predestined.
For all of the people, He loved them SO much that He gave a book
(Holy Bible) that had John 3:16. He would tell the world and
everyone in it that all they had to do is believe in His son who
died on a Cross (for everyone's sin who would accept it). Yes,
I did say everyone, yet there are those that had rather be among
others (sin and satan) than be with HIM.
Therefore, GOD loves you SO MUCH that he will not force you to
live with HIM.
He loves you SO MUCH that He will abide by your choice made by
you Free-Will.
He loves you SO MUCH that HE will carry the burden of not being
with the Children of His creation who do not want to be with
Him.
Yet, If He had forced us all to love HIM, we would have no
FREE-WILL. We would be automatons. What kind of LOVE would that
be????
Another choice He had at creation, would be to simply leave us
to our own doings, remove the restrainer(the Holy Spirit) and
let man's evil consume himself....Today, we could end it very
quickly and most likely WILL.
Yes, we would still have Free-Will, but Free-Will to do what?
DIE, a death where there would be NO life after this life (Both
body and soul would die) confirming what Atheist have said
throughout the centuries; there is no GOD as there is no life
after this life.
Some will say that GOD's anger forces those who do not chose to
believe in His son, to be tormented in the Lake of Fire. Yet,
the words "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." is spoken
of in the pages of the Holy Bible thirty-nine times.
Every Human being has ears and as such the Holy Bible, HIS WORD
is spoken to each one of us and He tells us.
Rev 3:13..."He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
saith unto the churches."
Rev 3:20..“Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my
voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a
meal together as friends."
For GOD loves you SO MUCH that He will not force you to Live
with Him forever.
I am sure that if by chance He is wrong and did not predestined
the right number of people, from that eternity ago, who would
believe in Him; He would GLADLY call, justifiy, sanctify and
glorify you so that you can be with him forever and ever.
It is of course, your choice, a Free-Will Choice!
Blade
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: patrick jane Date: February 5, 2019, 10:52 pm
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Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the
Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it
hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell
and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I
have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we
could post a good one here and comment as we watch?
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: patrick jane Date: February 15, 2019, 9:01 pm
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So Blade, what do believe that you call yourself a Calvinist?
#Post#: 3930--------------------------------------------------
Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: guest8 Date: February 15, 2019, 9:44 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=347.msg3707#msg3707
date=1549428749]
Great post Bladerunner, and I too agree with much of the
Calvinist doctrine except the free will part. I also find it
hard to accept that some people were born to go straight to hell
and God knows it ahead of time. Why bring them into the world? I
have see some good Calvinist VS Open Theist debates. Maybe we
could post a good one here and comment as we watch?
[/quote]
Thank you PJ..... Not sure about what you mean by the "FREE
WILL" part.if you will expand, we can get it in another post.
you said:"I also find it hard to accept that some people were
born to go straight to hell and God knows it ahead of time."
You love Jesus do you not? Think about it for one moment
before going on. God created everyone of us.
Keep in mind that God has foreseen everything that will happen
which include his actions and what events they cause. He knows
everyone who ultimately will REJECT Him...Through the Free Will
of Mankind, there are those that will REJECT GOD even though
they have been told the punishment for continuing in SIN.
They have chosen NOT to live with GOD here on Earth.
Thus, GOD Loves them too much to force them to live with Him for
an eternity. He loves them so much He will abide by their Free
Will.
It is a little easier to see it from the other (dark) side.
************
There is another question on everyone's mind and you asked it:
"Why bring them into the world?"
If Adam died before Seith was conceived, Noah and his wife would
not have been born. Their Sons and their wives would not have
been born thus, the population of the earth would NOT BE!
It is a problem of Genetics. How far back into the family tree
(Noah and Wife) do we got to go back to erase you and I ? This
is the same for every person after Adam and Eve.
As with any family, there are skeletons (in this case,
unbelievers).
Those unbelievers though their own Free Will will still have to
be born for future generations to be born.
Hope this helps.
Blade
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: patrick jane Date: February 23, 2019, 12:30 pm
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: guest8 Date: February 23, 2019, 8:40 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=347.msg4094#msg4094
date=1550946604]
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This man has given all of his life God. He still after 40+
years, speaks with the Authority of GOD... How does He do that!
He Teaches verse by verse from GOD's WORD.
I urge all to listen to him instead of dismissing God's Word.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: guest55 Date: February 23, 2019, 10:31 pm
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Great post. I have moved away from Arminianism to a much
greater degree as I have grown in Christ. My current position
is that indeed death came upon all men through Adam's fall. It
wasn't so much God blaming us for Adam's lack of faith in Him as
it was that when Adam sinned he became a man of pure flesh and
thus had children of pure flesh. As Jesus said, "that which is
born of flesh is flesh."
Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, "The person without the
Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of
God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them
because they are discerned only through the Spirit. This kind
would mean that we would have no hope except that God lights
every man that enters this world. Thus, I believe, through the
Holy Spirit He quickens us (Eph 2) so that we can exercise a
free-will choice as to whether to accept so great a salvation or
not.
Jesus describes the basis of the verdict as, This is the
verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved
darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. It is
interesting that it is not our behaviour, sins, or deeds that
the verdict is based on. Certainly these will be reflected by
our relationship to Christ, but they are not the basis of
Judgement.
Anyway, I could be wrong. Thanks for the great post.
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: guest8 Date: February 23, 2019, 10:40 pm
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[quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=347.msg4096#msg4096
date=1550982685]
Great post. I have moved away from Arminianism to a much
greater degree as I have grown in Christ. My current position
is that indeed death came upon all men through Adam's fall. It
wasn't so much God blaming us for Adam's lack of faith in Him as
it was that when Adam sinned he became a man of pure flesh and
thus had children of pure flesh. As Jesus said, "that which is
born of flesh is flesh."
Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, "The person without the
Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of
God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them
because they are discerned only through the Spirit. This kind
would mean that we would have no hope except that God lights
every man that enters this world. Thus, I believe, through the
Holy Spirit He quickens us (Eph 2) so that we can exercise a
free-will choice as to whether to accept so great a salvation or
not.
Jesus describes the basis of the verdict as, This is the
verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved
darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. It is
interesting that it is not our behaviour, sins, or deeds that
the verdict is based on. Certainly these will be reflected by
our relationship to Christ, but they are not the basis of
Judgement.
Anyway, I could be wrong. Thanks for the great post.
[/quote]
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Good evening Grace_Accepted and NO you are not wrong!
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: guest55 Date: February 24, 2019, 10:28 am
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Ain't God Grand!
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Re: From a Calvinist perspective
By: patrick jane Date: February 24, 2019, 12:37 pm
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[quote]This man has given all of his life God. He still after
40+ years, speaks with the Authority of GOD... How does He do
that! He Teaches verse by verse from GOD's WORD.
I urge all to listen to him instead of dismissing God's Word.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]Blade, from what I hear so far I agree and it even seems
to line up with dispensational study. Is there such a thing as a
dispensational calvinist?
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