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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: March 5, 2019, 8:20 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg4276#msg4276
date=1551804645]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4272#msg4272
date=1551788482]
Dear Readers,
Here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of
the THIRD Heaven:.
Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground
without form (Dust) and darkness/death was upon everything He
had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light. Gen
1:1-3
Day 1- YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world
to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created
apart from his spiritual realm. His Image (Son of God) is
brighter than the Noonday Sun.
Day 2- YHWH or Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's
world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God
called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen with the[color=red]
brightness of his glory ..... and AFTER it cooled off He made
Adam's Earth[/color] and another two HeavenS, but before He made
the plants, He made man of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light
into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen
2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed.
Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth
from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names
them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from
the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born
and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of
the Lord (Gen 4:26)
Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image. Gen 1:26 ;
Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In
Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind
MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the
object of the 6 Creative Days.
This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is
STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ,
TODAY.
The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the
events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not
happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the
present 6th Day.
Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat
Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion
will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that
it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or
God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient
times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall
stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Our God is an awesome God.
[/quote]Isaiah 11:6-9 KJV - 6 [size=14pt]The wolf also shall
dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the
kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and
the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for
the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the
waters cover the sea.[/size]
[/quote]
Dear Patrick,
The posting looks good my friend... WELL DONE.
God bless you and yours
#Post#: 4397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: March 10, 2019, 11:03 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg4264#msg4264
date=1551751969]
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP
theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to
create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not
exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves
above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly. [/quote]
Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of
years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't
see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are
beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being,
we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one
of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or
be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an
impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can
anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without
borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.
Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the
foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the
beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that
through and for the son., and I know He did every creation
through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created
"being" along with God before God created the Heaven.
And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son
Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then
according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where
later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's
etc.. and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what
we know:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.
We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and
chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that
covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and
the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without
form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we
have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this
water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer
inhabited the earth.
Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is
about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to
Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan,
but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the
King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting
like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down
to ruin.
16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in
Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and
after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined
the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to
Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was
still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as
we see it here;
Job 1:6 (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved
back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels
who are still considered as sons of God did this:
Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the
sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;
and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old
home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's
birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still
traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we
see him here:
Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness
to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high
mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their
glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You
if You will fall down and worship me.”
so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority
to give it away when speaking with jesus: “All these things I
will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then
Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like
lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds
like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see
exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the
great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil
and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the
earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the
earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having
great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
****************************
References: -
Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his
angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for
them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out,
that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives
the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were
cast out with him.
Luke 10:18 (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from
heaven."
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell
in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For
the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he
knows that he has a short time.”
***************************
2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over
the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over
the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought
light; order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.
divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there
is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a
distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil,
between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I
believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the
earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But
we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again
be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were
under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.
sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with
the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the
morning were the second day.
this is going to be where God puts the stars
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was
so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together
of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good
So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or
separating it there called the heaven above, then the air
beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land
from the seas
then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing
plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it,
according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of
the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them
be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on
the earth”; and it was so.
we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The
light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to
distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with
Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and
finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or
moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this
light was for us man.
And for Globe earthers; we see God putting the stars up above
the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above",
and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above
the firmament where God put the stars.
Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in
giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break
through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to
their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top
of the sea"
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY
This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and
1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make
man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us'
make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was
with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was
in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her
out of him (rib).
TIME - Carbon dating - etc.
In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was
no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the
dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that
new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.
No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man,
and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who
were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the
earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth
at will.
Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was
no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their
eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple
in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,
for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24
And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light,
and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is
worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years
which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible,
.. to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're
trying to prove?
We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos
Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this
now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon ..
and the stars.
This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the
Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.
And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without
form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and
his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left
with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's
all coming to light, thank the Lord!
You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of
wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived.
Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we
have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA
Arius.
#Post#: 4567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: March 23, 2019, 2:22 am
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg4397#msg4397
date=1552276998]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg4264#msg4264
date=1551751969]
Planets as globe shaped physical objects don't exist. The GAP
theory is dead wrong. God didn't wait 4.5 billion years to
create man on earth and the "universe" you imagine does not
exist. Earth is at the center of existence and everything moves
above the earth . . . even Polaris just slightly. [/quote]
Which Gap Theory is wrong Bro? The "millions and billions of
years gap"? Because I understand it very differently. I don't
see God as a created being, you know, a person, like Angels are
beings, the son Word is a being, the Holy Spirit, he is a being,
we are beings, and beings are product of creation, the first one
of which was Gods son Word, just as it say in John 1:1-14
Father-God is NOT a being, nor can two other beings make up, or
be part of Infinite and Eternal Spirit/Mind "I Am", it's an
impossibility, no-created-thing can be part of Infinite, nor can
anything be besides Infinite because Infinite is without
borders.
All things are In God/Infinite.
Remember that there were stars/Angels rejoicing when God set the
foundations of the earth. In Genesis 1:1 which says "In the
beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" He did that
through and for the son., and I know He did every creation
through the son Word, so we know there was at least one created
"being" along with God before God created the Heaven.
And since: John 1:3 All things were made through him (the son
Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made. then
according to scripture, Heaven was made for the son Word, where
later God created many other beings like Angels, Cherubim's
etc.. and this is where God made His throne too. Here is what
we know:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.
We know this is separate from verse 2 because the waters and
chaos was already there. When did God created the waters that
covered the earth, there is no mention of it? We have Heaven and
the earth, but it doesn't mention Him creating the earth without
form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep, only we
have Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth, so this
water must be the result of a previous time, when Lucifer
inhabited the earth.
Ezekiel 28: “You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
When was the King of Tyra in Eden the Garden of God? So this is
about Lucifer, because like in Mathew 16:23 Jesus saying to
Peter "Get behind me Satan" he wasn't saying Peter was Satan,
but that he was acting/speaking like Satan. The same with the
King of Tyra, the Prophet was told to remind him he was acting
like Lucifer the destroyer, and how he too will be brought down
to ruin.
16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
.. 17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
.. 18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
And we know that the judgements mentioned both in Ezekiel and in
Isaiah will come upon Lucifer/Satan when Jesus arrives, and
after our Thousand Year reign with him. So since Lucifer ruined
the earth and left it in chaos, he must have gone back up to
Heaven to cause trouble there, because in Job we see that he was
still able to travel between Heaven, and his old home earth as
we see it here;
Job 1:6 (KJV)
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
So Satan and his Angels after leaving the earth in chaos moved
back up to Heaven, when God fixed the earth he and his angels
who are still considered as sons of God did this:
Genesis 6:Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the
face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the
sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;
and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
so from Eve's deception in the Garden of Eden (lucifer's old
home) past Noah's flood, .. past Job, .. past the son Word's
birth here on earth and named Jesus the Christ, he was still
traveling back and forth between Heaven and earth, because we
see him here:
Mathew 4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness
to be tempted by the devil.
.. 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high
mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their
glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You
if You will fall down and worship me.”
so we see that he's still the god of this earth with authority
to give it away when speaking with jesus: “All these things I
will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” So then
Jesus spoke up to His Disciples: “I saw Satan fall like
lightning from heaven." This is not in the past tense, it sounds
like Jesus just saw this in a vision. In Revelations 12 we see
exactly what happened, and Jesus here from earth seen as the
great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil
and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the
earth, like lightning from heaven! Woe to the inhabitants of the
earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having
great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
****************************
References: -
Revelations 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his
angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for
them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out,
that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives
the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were
cast out with him.
Luke 10:18 (NKJV)
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from
heaven."
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell
in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For
the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he
knows that he has a short time.”
***************************
2 Now the earth was formless and void (empty), darkness was over
the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over
the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
let there be order, and there was order, just as Jesus brought
light; order/sense/reason into our time on this earth.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.
divided/separated good and bad, because with God in Heaven there
is only good, and here God saw chaos, disorder.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
For the first time in creation God seen disorder, and He made a
distinction between order and disorder, between good and evil,
between light and darkness, between day and night. This is why I
believe that God created the sun and the moon, because once the
earth was corrupted, He could no longer be the Light of it. But
we see that in that New earth and new Heaven, He will once again
be its light, so no need for the sun or moon.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
so we see God split the waters in half with a firmament/dome
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were
under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.
sounds like God used the air to divide the firmament along with
the waters above the firmament, from the earth and sea below
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the
morning were the second day.
this is going to be where God puts the stars
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was
so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together
of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good
So we have the 'waters above, then the firmament holding it, or
separating it there called the heaven above, then the air
beneath the firmament, and here we have God separating the land
from the seas
then it goes on explaining what God made on earth:
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing
plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it,
according to their various kinds.” ..
.. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of
the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be
for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them
be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on
the earth”; and it was so.
we see that the "light" here is not the light in verse 3. The
light here which are the stars, the sun and the moon are to
distinguish our days and nights, this has nothing to do with
Gods Days/Nights morning/evenings of fixing up the earth and
finishing up the rest of creation on earth. There was no sun or
moon when God was doing this, nor does God need them, .. so this
light was for us man.
And for Globe earthers; we see God putting the stars up above
the firmament/vault, which means they are in the "waters above",
and only German Astronauts can go to planets in the water above
the firmament where God put the stars.
Hmm, .. maybe that's why NASA has their Astronauts practicing in
giant pools with scuba gear!? Maybe they're hoping to break
through the dome/firmament and travel the underwater galaxies to
their god-planets? Hey, they could call that "Voyage to the Top
of the sea"
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXJM0eVrGbY
This is the way I understand this Gap between Genesis 1:1 and
1:2, .. a lot has happened on earth before God decided to make
man in His image, and woman to represent His son Word "Let 'us'
make man in our own image, in our own likeness"
So just as in the Beginning was the Word, and the son Word was
with God, and he was God before God beget/created him, Eve was
in the beginning with Adam, and she WAS Adam before God took her
out of him (rib).
TIME - Carbon dating - etc.
In the original Heaven and earth creation Genesis 1:1 there was
no sun or moon, they were created later for us men made from the
dust of the earth, just as there will be no sun or moon on that
new earth for the glory of God illuminated it.
No death recorded anywhere in the Bible before the fall of man,
and from what we read, Lucifer (or any created being by God who
were created to inhabit the earth were not restricted to the
earth, but could travel to Heaven, and between Heaven and earth
at will.
Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was
no more sea. .. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their
eyes; there shall be no more death, .. 22 But I saw ]no temple
in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,
for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24
And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light,
and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
So carbon dating past the creation of the sun and the moon is
worthless, they can claim whatever they want, from 6,000 years
which is as far as any accurate time-dating could be possible,
.. to 66.6 trillion years, would depend what story they're
trying to prove?
We live on a refurbished earth, and because of the chaos
Lucifer created here, God could no longer be the Light of this
now tainted world, which is why God made the sun and the moon ..
and the stars.
This is how I understand the Gap theory, which according to the
Bible, the whole Bible, is not a theory but fact.
And since they are desperately hiding the chaos, earth without
form, what the darkness upon the face of the deep that Satan and
his angels caused on earth before our creation here, we are left
with many, many questions unanswered. But little by little it's
all coming to light, thank the Lord!
You seen this video right? This is for others here to kind of
wake up, think of what may have been here before we arrived.
Discoveries all being hidden, or defaced, History perverted, we
have to look beyond this to see what the Gap really was?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFrLkNrATGA&list=PLbxYtfaixKzAvlLr8L477AC2CwA9QX_sA
Arius.
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well said PJ
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest58 Date: March 29, 2019, 5:40 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3476#msg3476
date=1548630003]
Gen 1:1-2
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the
Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form
(Dust), and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the
deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.[/quote]
Well ok, but if this was the beginning, then there must have
been another beginning or another part of this beginning not
mentioned here because when speaking about this creation YHWH
had written: Job 38:7 ...while the morning stars sang together
and ALL the Sons of GOD shouted for joy?
Just when were these morning stars and Sons of GOD created? Even
if this is a poetic way to refer to only one group, the Sons of
GOD, the question needs to be answered. I am a son of GOD so if
they were [b]ALL there, so was I!!! Shouting my heart out!!![/b]
Prove I'm wrong.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest58 Date: March 29, 2019, 6:07 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3497#msg3497
date=1548652736]
Dear Readers,
...
Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that
we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating
Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of
Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.
God bless
[/quote]
Or not... IF the false doctrine of our being created on earth
was made up to support the blasphemy that we are created
inheriting Adam's sin, but in fact we were ALL created at least
6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and
became sinners by our own free will decisions about where to
put our faith,
then the blasphemy of our being created as sinners (GOD CANNOT
CREATE EVIL!) on earth is done, over, dead in the water...a
blessing to all who believe in GOD's righteousness in their
hearts not just on their lips.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: March 29, 2019, 7:52 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=323.msg4668#msg4668
date=1553900837]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3497#msg3497
date=1548652736]
Dear Readers,
...
Since, God continues to create sinners in Christ, it means that
we still live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating
Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of
Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.
God bless
[/quote]
Or not... IF the false doctrine of our being created on earth
was made up to support the blasphemy that we are created
inheriting Adam's sin, but in fact we were ALL created at least
6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or became Sheol) and
became sinners by our own free will decisions about where to
put our faith,
then the blasphemy of our being created as sinners (GOD CANNOT
CREATE EVIL!) on earth is done, over, dead in the water...a
blessing to all who believe in GOD's righteousness in their
hearts not just on their lips.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Hi Ted...... You said:"but in fact we were ALL
created at least 6000 years ago in the spirit world (what is or
became Sheol) and became sinners by our own free will decisions
about where to put our faith,"
In otherwords, God created everyone from Adam till today as a
spirit and does what with them? You said, they await in Sheol?
and Became sinner by our own free will?
Just wanted to make sure that was what you were talking about.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest58 Date: March 30, 2019, 1:50 pm
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[quote]In otherwords, God created everyone from Adam till
today as a spirit and does what with them? You said, they await
in Sheol? and Became sinner by our own free will?[/quote]
Those elect who never sinned stayed in the heavenly realms and
some serve GOD as HIS messengers…angel meaning sent out one or
messenger, NOT a race or species of being. My suggestion is that
those elect who chose by their free will to rebel against the
call for the judgment upon their Satanic friends were sent to
one of the rooms of Sheol.
The Satanic non-elect were flung to earth, Rev 12:9 The great
dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil,
or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the
earth, and his angels with him. .
These people of the evil one are sown into the world by the
devil, Matt 13:38 and the field is the world; and as for the
good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are
the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the
devil,…where did they come from?
Then they die and return to where they came from, Sheol: Ps 9:17
The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget
God. It is logical that this is where the sinful good seed, the
sinful people of the kingdom also came from as Job suggests when
he states that when he dies he is returning to where he was
before his birth...(he is not suggesting he return to the womb
nor annihilation).
The sinful elect were flung to the earth by Satan, Rev 12:4 His
tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to
the earth. It is not logical thing for him to send away any of
his cohorts just before his big battle with Michael and since
the world flung has a violent, hateful, implication, it seems
likely that these stars were the sinful elect, sent down into
Sheol by Satan’s luring them into sin.
All sinners were sent to Sheol in the center of the earth to
sequester them from polite heavenly society. From there everyone
is sown into the world by their fathers, that is, either by the
Son of Man (GOD) or the devil, for the redemption of HIS sinful
elect, the good but sinful seed.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: patrick jane Date: March 30, 2019, 1:57 pm
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[Quote] I know it takes an extra minute or two but we don't
have the scripture reading app here so if you could just
copy/paste the verses from the Bible version of your choice it
would help me personally and everybody else. I like where this
is going Ted.[font=Verdana] [/Quote][/font]
[font=Verdana]Done![/font]
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest58 Date: March 30, 2019, 2:11 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg4687#msg4687
date=1553972274]
That's some pretty deep thinking even though you were just
summarizing. I can understand what you're describing and I'd
also like to ask a favor of you. I know it takes an extra minute
or two but we don't have the scripture reading app here so if
you could just copy/paste the verses from the Bible version of
your choice it would help me personally and everybody else. I
like where this is going Ted. [/quote] I'd be glad to do that
with every verse, no problem at all.
But I cannot figure out how to use the go to my last post, I
can't find the link. IF I reply to post 4 and the topic is 9
pages long and then I leave, when I come back it is 16 pages
long and I am lost...I don't remember where I was reading but I
could get to it from my last post if I could find it. <sigh>
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest58 Date: March 30, 2019, 2:14 pm
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I was going to go back and include full quotes but I can't find
a modify or edit link in that or my latest post at all...
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