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#Post#: 4119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 24, 2019, 8:28 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg4113#msg4113
date=1551058532]
[shadow=blue,left]You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an
invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never
change.
We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The
Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....
Read the following texts below... for your additional learning
and references:
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature:
IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED
EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER....
contrary to your mistaken view.
God bless
#Post#: 4123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 24, 2019, 11:27 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4119#msg4119
date=1551061726]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg4113#msg4113
date=1551058532]
[shadow=blue,left]You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an
invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never
change.
We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The
Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....
Read the following texts below... for your additional learning
and references:
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature:
IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED
EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER....
contrary to your mistaken view.
God bless
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I agree with you on the "spirit", "Unseen",
"invisable", etc. The Bible does tell us that God is a spirit.
Yet, there are hints that GOD really does have form of some
sort. For a God was speaking to Moses on Mt. Sinai, He tells him
the following:
Exodus 33:20.. "You cannot see my face; for no man shall see me,
and live v21..And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me,
and thou shalt stand upon a rock: v.22..And it shall come to
pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift
of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
v23..And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back
parts: but my face shall not be seen."
Here we see all parts of GOD by His WORD. face, hand, back
parts.........
In addition, John tells us in Rev. 5.1 "And I saw in the right
hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on
the backside, sealed with seven seals."
Gen 32:25..."So Jacob called the place Peniel,[fn] saying, “It
is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
Acts 7:55..."But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to
heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right
hand of God.
Compare the above verse "the glory of GOD" to Exodus
33.20.."while my glory passeth by"....Could they be the
same???????
****
In the following passage, we see Moses tell the people of
Israel, the reason why GOD does not show His face?
as we see in Deu 4:14-20.."And the Lord commanded me at that
time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe
them in the land which you cross over to possess. "Take careful
heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to
you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, "lest you act
corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of
any figure: the likeness of male or female, "the likeness of any
animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird
that flies in the air, "the likeness of anything that creeps on
the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water
beneath the earth. "And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to
heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all
the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve
them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under
the whole heaven as a heritage. "But the Lord has taken you and
brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be his
people, an inheritance, as you are this day "
God in His infinite power and understanding/reasoning far beyond
our ability to do so, has declined to show us His Face. Yet, As
'Jesus is GOD' we find that in :
1 John 3:2...."Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth
not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall
appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."
As John did in REV 5, one day, the Church (Body/Bride) of Christ
and those that have died believing in Jesus Christ will see GOD
in all His Glory.
The hintsI have shown are just that. Hints......Spirit Yes, with
Hints of a Body no one has seen.
From the bible Verses all-in-all, we cannot know for sure what
kind of body GOD really does have.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 25, 2019, 12:31 am
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Dear Blade,
The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in
the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the
Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will
ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible
Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you
have seen the Father.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD
(YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and
believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no
God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty
(representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I
not known to them.
Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several
occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his
chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God
Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the
invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape
or form that never change.
Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy
Spirit - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in
the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was
full of Holy Spirit.... simply because...
John 1:18 No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
God bless
#Post#: 4130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 25, 2019, 10:04 am
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4125#msg4125
date=1551076312]
Dear Blade,
The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in
the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the
Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will
ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible
Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you
have seen the Father.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD
(YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and
believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no
God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty
(representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I
not known to them.
Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several
occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his
chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God
Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the
invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape
or form that never change.
Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy
Spirit - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in
the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was
full of Holy Spirit.... simply because...
John 1:18 No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
God bless
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]of course it is you choice. I prefer to
believe the Bible as it is written.
We have our opinions on the subject out there for others to
read and make their choice.
Have a good day sir.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4133--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 25, 2019, 1:15 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4069#msg4069
date=1550808173]
Dear Arius,
Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It
needs a simple answer!!!
Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the
OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Thanks
[/quote]
Yes, of course.
God, Infinite and Eternal "I Am" beget His son Word, through
whom He created all things (John 1:1 - ) and later His son Word
became flesh, was named Jesus and dwelt amongst us.
#Post#: 4134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 25, 2019, 2:08 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4125#msg4125
date=1551076312]
Dear Blade,
The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in
the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the
Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will
ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible
Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you
have seen the Father.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD
(YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and
believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no
God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty
(representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I
not known to them.
Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several
occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his
chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God
Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the
invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape
or form that never change.
Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy
Spirit - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in
the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was
full of Holy Spirit.... simply because...
John 1:18 No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
God bless
[/quote]
Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the
begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up
God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from
Scripture.
There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious
Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His
presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.
When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the
Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he
is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is
why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the
End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal,
which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all
principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son
Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second
only to Pharaoh.
So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son
with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if
you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and
Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God,
but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the
son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.
In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in
the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and
Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego,
we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:
Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose
in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast
three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the
midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the
fourth is like the son of God.”
God bless you
Arius
#Post#: 4135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 25, 2019, 6:20 pm
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg4134#msg4134
date=1551125333]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4125#msg4125
date=1551076312]
Dear Blade,
The Lord is called YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in
the New Testament. The Lord is the Only Begotten Son of the
Invisible Spirit of God. YHWH, the Son, is the Only God you will
ever see and witness. He is the Express image of the invisible
Godhead, bodily or physically. IF you have seen the him... you
have seen the Father.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD
(YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and
believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no
God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Exo 6:3 And I (YHWH) appeared (in physical form) unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty
(representing his Father), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I
not known to them.
Therefore, YHWH, who appeared in physical form on several
occasions in the OT... to be seen and witnessed by many of his
chosen people.... could not have been the invisible Almighty God
Father himself, but the Son of God, the Christ….. since, the
invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit without physical shape
or form that never change.
Of course, Stephen when he was dying - was filled with Holy
Spirit - saw in his DYING VISION the glory of God, and Jesus
standing at the right hand of God. But Stephen was no longer in
the form of a flesh in his dying vision (Acts 7:55) since he was
full of Holy Spirit.... simply because...
John 1:18 No MAN hath seen God at ANY TIME; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
God bless
[/quote]
Brother Seve, I mean you got it perfect, except that the
begotten son Word being God, .. or one of the gods that make up
God as the Trinity has him, neither which you can justify from
Scripture.
There is only One God, the Infinite and Eternal conscious
Mind/Spirit whom no one has seen, nor can see, except for His
presence, which is like the sun, but much, much brighter.
When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, he was as the
Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only more personal, for he
is Gods only begotten, the first of All Gods creations. That is
why he is called the First and the Last, the Beginning and the
End, because he is 'just that'. But God is Infinite and Eternal,
which has no beginning nor end.
Then when the son fulfilled his task, God raised him above all
principalities and powers, above all Angels, where now the son
Word is only second to God Himself, .. just as Joseph was second
only to Pharaoh.
So you and I understand it the same, only you confuse Gods son
with God. Yes, he is a perfect representation of God where if
you see/hear him, it is as God speaking. Remember; Joseph and
Pharaoh was a reflection of the son Word later Jesus, and God,
but Joseph never claimed to be Pharaoh, just as neither as the
son Word, or as Jesus did he ever claim to be God.
In the OT, both God, and the son Word show up at times, like in
the Fiery Angel of the Lord, it was definitely God Infinite and
Eternal, but in Daniel 3 with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego,
we see it was the son Word aka Jesus Christ:
Daniel 3:24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose
in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast
three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the
midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the
fourth is like the son of God.”
God bless you
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
ARius, you said:"When the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst
us, he was as the Fiery Angel of the Lord before Moses, only
more personal, for he is Gods only begotten, the first of All
Gods creations."
1 Tim 3:16..."And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory."
Here we see that GOD himself was manifest in the FLESH, and they
called Him Jesus.... The angel of the Lord in Luke 2:11 told
Joseph and Mary..
"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour,
which is Christ the Lord."
Then as the complete birth of Jesus Christ is written by DR.
Luke in the 2 chapter verse 13...
"And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the
heavenly host praising God, and saying,------>
Then in Luke 2:14.."Glory to God in the highest, and on earth
peace, good will toward men."
We here the angel of the Lord and a heavenly multitude of
Heavenly host called the baby Jesus, Glory to GOD in the
Highest.
Arius, like Seve, you have a choice to believe or NOT!.......The
Choice of course is that you believe the Bible is the Complete
WORD of GOD or NOT!
I have given you what I believe to be the WORD of GOD.
Your Choice.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 25, 2019, 8:23 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4119#msg4119
date=1551061726]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg4113#msg4113
date=1551058532]
[shadow=blue,left]You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an
invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never
change.
We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The
Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....
Read the following texts below... for your additional learning
and references:
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature:
IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED
EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER....
contrary to your mistaken view.
God bless
[/quote]
This response is also to brothers [member=1]patrick
jane[/member], [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] and the rest
reading these posts.
Beautifully said brother [member=51]Seve[/member], right from
Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider
what I say here next, because I feel that it is both
scientifically, and Biblically logical:
We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can
see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, ..
right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours,
which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God
in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, ..
makes us "individuals" with free will.
Now consider this:
In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make
man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created
body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image"
emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created
image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son
Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.
1 Corinthians 3:16 (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the
Spirit of God dwells in you? This includes all men, not just
those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other
story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of
Himself into that body/temple;
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living being.
This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our
'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who
gave it.
What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our
mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical
reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through
our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to
different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.
This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to
discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the
mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the
not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed,
to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite
Creator.
Now please consider these verses carefully:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the
evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by
the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of
things which do appear. - exactly how I see it and explained it
above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which
is that what we see are not what we think they are.
Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we
look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the
engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the
neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our
brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with
our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals
which we interpret with our mind/spirit.
So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the
reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some
signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is
this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world
were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things
which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the
metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin
to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through
the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind"
read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our
brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we
mind/spirit make the body do our biding.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to
see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and
miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of
Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling
itself!
God bless.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 25, 2019, 9:17 pm
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg4141#msg4141
date=1551147781]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4119#msg4119
date=1551061726]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg4113#msg4113
date=1551058532]
[shadow=blue,left]You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an
invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never
change.
We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The
Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.
Blade
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Of course, the Scripture tell us so.....
Read the following texts below... for your additional learning
and references:
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
him in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten
Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Co 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature:
IF GOD IS INVISIBLE SPIRIT AND COULD NOT BE SEEN BY OUR NAKED
EYES, THEN, GOD HAS NO PHYSICAL SHAPE OR FORM, WHATSOEVER....
contrary to your mistaken view.
God bless
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This response is also to brothers [member=1]patrick
jane[/member], [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] and the rest
reading these posts.
Beautifully said brother [member=51]Seve[/member], right from
Scriptures too. Let's take this another step, .. please consider
what I say here next, because I feel that it is both
scientifically, and Biblically logical:
We both agree that God is Spirit, and that no one has, nor can
see God, just as you pointed it out from Scripture above, ..
right? The same way as you cannot see my mind, or me yours,
which is of God, and belongs to God. This spirit/breath of God
in this physical body is what distinguishes us from God, ..
makes us "individuals" with free will.
Now consider this:
In the beginning of man, God said to His son Word: "Let us make
man in our own image", correct?
Now look at us man the image. First, there is the created
body/temple that God made out of the dust, .. "CREATED image"
emphasis on 'created', just as Gods son Word is the "created
image of God", but the Spirit in him remains pure, so the son
Word kept the "image" of His Creator and Father, unlike Adam.
1 Corinthians 3:16 (NKJV)
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the
Spirit of God dwells in you? This includes all men, not just
those who have received the Holy Spirit which is a whole other
story that has to do with 'salvation'.
Then God (not the son Word), but God breathed/placed a bit of
Himself into that body/temple;
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living being.
This "breath of life" is not the air, but is none other than our
'mind/spirit'. It is "of God" and is God, and returns to God who
gave it.
What we call reality, is not really real, instead, it is our
mind/spirit that is real. This is why what we call; "physical
reality" has to be transformed into electronic signals through
our physical senses (eyes, feel, hearing etc.) and sent to
different parts of the brain, where we/mind read it.
This is also why Satan created this Evolution story, to
discredit, or downplay who we really are by claiming that; "the
mind is nothing but the result of the brain", making the
not-real (the created) as if it was the only thing that existed,
to hide both who we really are, along with God our Infinite
Creator.
Now please consider these verses carefully:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the
evidence of things not seen.
.. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by
the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of
things which do appear. - exactly how I see it and explained it
above, which is both Biblically and scientifically true, which
is that what we see are not what we think they are.
Let's do a scientific test to prove this; Like I said; when we
look at a car, or feel the metal of the car, or listen to the
engine, this is all turned into electronic signals by the
neurons in our fingertips, our eyes, our ears, and sent to our
brain. It is these signals in the brain that we interpret with
our mind/spirit, so everything about the car are just signals
which we interpret with our mind/spirit.
So look, if the world around us exist only by signals, then the
reverse, or in this case the car itself must be made of some
signals, or vibrations that our senses pick up, right? So is
this what the Lord is telling us that; everything in the world
were framed by the WORD of God, because obviously the things
which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
We don't put pieces of metal in our brain when we touch the
metal of the car, nor do we put pieces of fabric under our skin
to feel the car seats! Our body "digitizes" everything, through
the neurons then sends it to our brain, and we "spirit/mind"
read it, then respond by sending electronic information into our
brain, which travel into, and excites the muscles where we
mind/spirit make the body do our biding.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, where we can start to
see/understand Gods creation as something far more wonderful and
miraculous then one could imagine! Just the possibility of
Infinite and Eternal creating something finite is mind boggling
itself!
God bless.
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You said: " God said to His son Word: "or "just as Gods son Word
is the "created image of God""
Are you saying GOD's son in named WORD???????........REALLY!!!!!
Blade
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 25, 2019, 11:06 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4098#msg4098
date=1550998475]
Dear Readers,
YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of
whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been
revealed to anyone at this time.
In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed
the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses [color=orange](eye witnesses),
saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that
ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before
me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his
own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the
Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically.
IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ...
simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible
Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of
Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has
been revealed to anyone at this time... [/quote]
I agree partially with this, but God revealed Himself "bodily"
in many other instances too. Please reconsider this next part:
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4098#msg4098
date=1550998475]
YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical
world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke
the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and
there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY
God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him,
there was none... neither there shall be after him.[/quote]
Heaven is Not an invisible realm, it was created along with the
earth, and there is a lot of visible info of Heaven. Only God is
invisible, who manifests Himself through many different created
forms, but He Himself has no "form", and we have to stay away
from applying one to Him.
Wen God said: "let there be light" was Not "In the beginning"
when God created the Heaven and the earth, .. as in Genesis 1:1.
That Genesis 1:1 actually follows John 1:1 -. Please look:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the
earth. - KJV (have to find the right version that fits with the
rest of Scripture) God originally created the Heaven (singular,
before the air/atmosphere heaven where the birds fly, and the
starry heaven where he put the stars ) and the earth (singular),
not a bunch of planets.
We Stop here - from what we read, it is obvious that a lot has
happened between here Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the
surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the
waters.
as we read the rest of mans creation story, and earths
renovation, none of what God creates is "formless, or empty, or
covered in darkness, but everything is 'good'. Because like it
says here in the next verse;
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God
saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the
darkness.
.. God distinguishes light from darkness; that which is is
chaotic, formless and separates it from His "order", which He
calls "light"! He even calls darkness "night", and order "day".
We know this continues on till that Last Day when God does a
complete clean up and will FOREVER separate not just chaos,
confusion and darkness, but those who caused it, and will cast
them, and their works into an incinerator of everlasting fire.
The son of God is Not God, please don't make him to be one, this
is what the Romans did after they killed Jesus, made him into
one of their gods, and we see this today how they still worship
their sun-god who the Pope announced is none other than Lucifer!
But I believe I know where you're getting all this from, and I
was there too! Like you say here next, but please Brother,
listen to another, more proper interpretation, which I believe
will make a lot more sense to you!? If you can show me where I
am wrong, please do so, I welcome correction, and would never
deny my under-education, nor how God revealed things to me. So
it's not me, but what we understand of Gods Word, right?
[quote]Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into
our world... made flesh... and became known as Jesus Christ...
and die for us to save us from our sins.
Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without
physical shape or form that never change.
God bless
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew
not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will
make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.[/quote]
You got God down as it is written which is exactly how I
understand it also, and the idea that the son Word is the
embodiment of God is also tru, but here is the problem, or how
this train of thought can lead us into the very same error that
the Trinitarians have fallen into.
There is two trains of thought, one is that Christians think the
Trinity explains God, and the other is the actual Creators of
the Trinity who actually concocted this Doctrine with an evil
plan, which was to "kill God", at least in the hearts and minds
of men. Once they made people to accept that Jesus was God in
the flesh, then they were able to kill God, and this was the
plan, and is what Christians actually believe as I did for most
of my life.
God's not dead is because He never died, not because His other
self resurrected Him.
Yes, God wants us to know Him personally, and we can see how He
took Angels, Prophets, the wind, thunder and even a physical
body to wrestle with Jacob to try get personal with us,
especially having His son Word so obedient to Him, God was able
to relay a true-image of Himself through His son Word when the
son became flesh.
We could actually say "we seen God" in Christ, and that is what
Jesus said also: "You seen me, you've seen the Father"! But he
Did Not say "I am God the father, so what do you mean show us
the Father?" You see the difference?
Besides that, the son Word had a heavenly, a more Spiritual body
before he came to earth, .. and Heaven is a real place, not just
Spirit-place, but more spiritual, or more Heavenly. It has
streets of gold, it has many mansions, .. Angelic beings, even
Principalities and Powers are created individuals, as is the
Holy Spirit. He was sent by Christ to help us, he is a being
with free will.
I see the Holy Spirit as a "search engine" in our computers. He
is there analyzing the world when the earth was without form,
and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. It was the
Spirit of God who moved upon the face of the waters checking out
this catastrophe.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.
So anyways, the important thing is that God is who He Is, the
Only Infinite and Eternal conscious Spirit/Mind "I Am", who can
and has used many different physical forms throughout the ages
to reveal Himself through, and in the Last days, like 2,000
years ago He revealed himself "through His son Word", who became
flesh, giving up his spiritual, that more Heavenly body and has
become completely flesh by being born of a physical human woman.
God didn't become flesh, His son Word did. So we are warned not
to try to make a physical image of God, because that would be
idolatry, right? But it pleased God to see His son Word
represent Him, especially being all mortal and vulnerable to all
the physical temptations, in a corrupt and evil world like what
our world has become, .. and remain in his Fathers True Image.
God remains the invisible Eternal/Infinite/Spirit/Mind "I Am",
and His hope is that we too would reveal God through us, just as
His son Word aka Jesus did. So when people talk to us, and watch
our actions, they would see God.
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