DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
<
form action=&amp
;amp;amp;quot;https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; method=&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;p
ost&
quot; target=&am
p;amp;amp;quot;_top&
amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; &a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;input type=&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;hidden&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; name=&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;cmd&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; value=&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot
;_s-xclick&a
mp;amp;quot;&amp
;amp;amp;gt; &am
p;amp;amp;lt;input type=&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;hidden&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; name=&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;hosted_button_id&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; val
ue=&
quot;DKL7ADEKRVUBL&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;quot;&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; &am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;input type=&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;image&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; src=&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;https://www.payp
alobjects.com/en_US/i/btn/btn_donateCC_LG.gif&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; border=&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;0&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; nam
e=&q
uot;submit&a
mp;amp;quot; alt=&am
p;amp;amp;amp;quot;PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!
&quo
t;&g
t; &
lt;img alt=&
amp;amp;quot;&am
p;amp;amp;quot; border=&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;0&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; src=&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;https://www.paypalobjects.com
/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; width=&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;1&a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot; height=&amp
;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;1&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;&am
p;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt; &a
mp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;lt;/form&
amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;gt;
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Christian Threads
*****************************************************
#Post#: 3839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: patrick jane Date: February 11, 2019, 8:26 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[shadow=blue,left]do you believe in HELL Arius or is it your
intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath
falls upon you?
you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion
was."
Your calling GOD the same as demons?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for
the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found,
I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC
created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God
into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more
then one mentioned in the Bible is
Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” (singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we
are many.” (plural)
I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One
into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the
Christian Religion that has done that!
Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian
Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how
Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian
Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding
(please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to
mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity
Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is
one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in
hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s
That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the
Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I
have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from
every Christian Forum for doing it.
May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be
told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But
God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very
hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not
practice divination or seek omens.
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to
the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.
2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They
practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do
evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.
In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with
substance, not blind faith.
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law
God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no
longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.
Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I
guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
why are you following him (the pope)?
Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.
Hope you change your mind.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause
etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he
said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
#Post#: 3841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 11, 2019, 9:44 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg3839#msg3839
date=1549938419]
[shadow=blue,left]do you believe in HELL Arius or is it your
intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath
falls upon you?
you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion
was."
Your calling GOD the same as demons?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for
the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found,
I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC
created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God
into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more
then one mentioned in the Bible is
Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” (singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we
are many.” (plural)
I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One
into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the
Christian Religion that has done that!
Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian
Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how
Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian
Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding
(please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to
mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity
Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is
one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in
hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s
That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the
Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I
have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from
every Christian Forum for doing it.
May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be
told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But
God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very
hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not
practice divination or seek omens.
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to
the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.
2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They
practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do
evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.
In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with
substance, not blind faith.
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law
God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no
longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.
Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I
guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
why are you following him (the pope)?
Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.
Hope you change your mind.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]That pope video was doctored at the end with applause
etc. He did say that but he tried to explain it right after he
said it at the time. The video is deceptive.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Thank you PJ....You never know these days.
DID you hear that Arius.....the pope video was doctored.
findings by PJ.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 16, 2019, 3:09 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21. [/quote]
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7
is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement. [/quote]
Dear Arius
Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the
Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your
bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version
already.
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
[/quote]
Dear Arius,
Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is
only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the
Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I
have previously posted… and also your allege refutation is
based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive
argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?
By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the
Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?
IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth
or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the
beginning; from everlasting.
Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have
THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve
became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve
came from Adam's rib, correct?
Read and learn:
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye
would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither
came I of myself, but he sent me.
Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you
still don’t understand or disagree with it.
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3792#msg3792
date=1549807275]
Dear Arius,
Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten)
of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the
beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual
Essence and attributes of His God Father....
He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see
and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9
Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical
Proof Texts that are in harmony together - acting as my
witnesses:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. John 1:1
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his
works of old. Prov. 8:22
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of the waters. Gen 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the
earth was. Prov 8:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made. John 1:3
When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when
there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.Gen.1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I
brought forth: Prov 8:25
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended
it not. John 1:5
Amen?
[/quote]
#Post#: 4061--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 21, 2019, 3:00 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3934#msg3934
date=1550308170]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21. [/quote]
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7
is the Trinity Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement. [/quote]
Dear Arius
Sorry, but I am using the Original Old King James Version of the
Bible - word for word - from Hebrew to English - UNLIKE your
bible rendition of NIV - I believe to be adulterated version
already.
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
[/quote]
Dear Arius,
Your disagreement to my version of Biblical Trinity Stand... is
only based on your poor and distorted understanding of the
Mystical Union of God as One (collective One, that is) that I
have previously posted… and also your allege refutation is
based only on your own Standard Trinity doctrinal defensive
argument which differ with mine obviously. TRY AGAIN?
By the way.... Do you know the meaning and the usage of the
Hebrew word "ECHAD" as Collective One?
IN FACT, the Scripture also document us that the Son came forth
or proceeded forth - begotten - directly from the Father, in the
beginning; from everlasting.
Therefore, how can you NOT see that the Father and the Son have
THE SAME ESSENCE.... when you already agree that Adam and Eve
became one flesh AFTER their Union of MARRIAGE.... because Eve
came from Adam's rib, correct?
Read and learn:
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye
would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither
came I of myself, but he sent me.
Even the Spirit of Truth came forth from the Father.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto
you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Again, read my post below repeatedly and let me know if you
still don’t understand or disagree with it.
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3792#msg3792
date=1549807275]
Dear Arius,
Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten)
of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the
beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual
Essence and attributes of His God Father....
He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see
and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9
Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical
Proof Texts that are in harmony together - acting as my
witnesses:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. John 1:1
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his
works of old. Prov. 8:22
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of the waters. Gen 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the
earth was. Prov 8:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made. John 1:3
When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when
there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.Gen.1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I
brought forth: Prov 8:25
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended
it not. John 1:5
Amen?
[/quote]
[/quote]
Greetings Seve, and I pray the Lord would open your eyes that
you would see/understand what you are reading, because you are
adding the Trinity in them verses. I keep saying (as I have for
the past 20 years) that Yes, the son Word, the Holy Spirit, the
seven Spirits of God, the Angels of the Lord Michael, Gabriel,
the Angel of Fire, and yes, even you and me can be "One with
God", but the Trinity-gods will never be one with God, .. never,
because it is idolatry. They are deities, deified by man just as
the Catholic church deifies many saints/gods, just as they have
before Christ arrived.
Again: There is a huge difference between my wife and two kids
being one with me, or saying that "Arius is actually made up of
three persons", or in my case; four persons.
The Word was with God, and the Word 'was' God just as Eve was
Adam BEFORE God took her out of him. Does Eve make up Adam?
No.
Eves existence came from Adam, she does not make up who Adam is.
Same with God, He Is, or as he told Moses: "I Am".
Let's say you invent three things in your mind like a toaster, a
coffeemaker and a pool table. Do these three objects make up who
you are?
The Word was the "beginning of All Gods Creation", if you cannot
see/understand this, it is because the Spirit of God has not, or
could not make you see it, and that would be on your part, not
his.
God can do all things, but He will not force anyone to accept
Him. He has done and said all there is to say to make anyone
willing to see/understand Him. But to do so, we have to give up
a few things, starting with our Religion and the gods in said
religion.
I can say this all day, but you will not see/understand because
you, just like we all have for the past 1,700 years been blinded
by this Christian Religion created by the RCC during
Constantine.
Now I could go over it again and again, verse by verse and
explain every Bible quote you posted to show you that it was God
who CREATED or beget all things, and the first of all His
creation was His son Word, just as you point it out to me, the
only problem is that you will never see/understand what you are
actually quoting unless you step outside your box/Religion.
Like this here:
[quote]Seve quoted:
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the
earth was. Prov 8:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made. John 1:3[/quote]
Like the words: "I was set up", doesn't mean someone set God up.
You cannot "set up" Infinite and Eternal, He simply Is, or as he
said: "I Am". Now re-read everything else you quoted, .. and
until you see "God creating, God saying, God doing" in those
verses, then I have nothing further to say that will make any
sense to you. It's not complicated really, all it takes is a
unadulterated willing heart, and there is no greater adulterated
doctrine than the Trinity. The R.C. Christians have tortured and
murdered millions and millions over it in their past 1,700 year
rule over the Bible.
I mean come on, WWJD, torture people who don't understand who he
is, or who his Father is?
No, of course not, as we can see how the Jews denied who he was
even though Jesus fulfilled every prophesy about his coming.
Jesus did not torture or murder anyone to accept those
prophesies.
God bless you, the One and ONLY possible Infinite and Eternal "I
Am" that is.
#Post#: 4062--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 21, 2019, 3:47 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Dear Arius,
Simple questions just to make sure I understand your Biblical
stand correctly.
Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His
name?
Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?
Thanks
#Post#: 4064--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 21, 2019, 6:27 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4062#msg4062
date=1550785663]
Dear Arius,
Simple questions just to make sure I understand your Biblical
stand correctly.
Who do you think the Father of our Lord YHWH is? What is His
name?[/quote]
Love you brother Seve, first, YHWH is a reference to God, but if
you mean the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, then here is how I
understand God as revealed by His son Word (in the Bible):
Infinite and Eternal is God, thus by the very definition of
Infinite and Eternal there can be No Other gods besides Him. I
mean where would you put another god besides Infinite which is
borderless, .. right?
I see/understand Infinite as I see and understand my (our) own
spirit/mind, which I believe is of God, that "breath of life" He
gave into the body of Adam that He made of the dust of the
earth, and is passed down to us all, making us living beings, or
"mankind".
Our mind/spirit is also Infinite, and belongs to God, and
eventually will return to God, the One who gave it.
Gods spirit/breath inside this temple that is made out of
quantum dust particles makes us "individuals" from God, with
free will, just as our Creator and Father has free will.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy
Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are
not your own
God has no name because he is not a created being, but just
references to Him, which can be anything from Lord, to;
YHWH.
El.
Eloah.
Elohim.
Elohai.
El Shaddai.
Tzevaot.
Jah.
Heavenly Father, .. etc.
But the name that truly defines Infinite/Mind, which He said was
His name forever is: "I Am"
This takes some wisdom to understand since God has many names in
the Bible that we can refer to at different time with different
needs, like under the law it would be "Lord". When feeling lost
or hopeless it would be "Heavenly Father" etc. But what really
defines The Infinite/Mind/Spirit is His revelation of
consciousness: "I Am", .. which is like Infinite/Spirit, someone
who cannot be seen, saying; "I exist".
[quote]Who do you think the Christ is? Whose Son is He?
Thanks
[/quote]
Here, this is exactly how I understand, .. and because all
evidence points to it is how I also believe Jesus Christ is:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made
that has been made.
Since God is Infinite and Eternal (not to be confused with
'space' someone traveling through infinity and 'time' as in
living for an eternity) The above verse is revealing Gods son
Word, since all things were created through Him, he is the
"beginning and the end" of all creation. Someone who has a
"beginning and end cannot be Infinite, nor Eternal, which is
God.
God is not a created being parse, but "the Ground of Being", or
simply "Infinite".
The son Word -
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were
created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or
powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And
He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Then, when the time of the prophesies came to be fulfilled:
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who
came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Mathew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After
His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came
together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
God bless you.
Arius
#Post#: 4069--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 21, 2019, 10:02 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Dear Arius,
Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It
needs a simple answer!!!
Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the
OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Thanks
#Post#: 4073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 22, 2019, 6:50 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4069#msg4069
date=1550808173]
Dear Arius,
Let me rephrase the SIMPLE question for you, my friend... It
needs a simple answer!!!
Do you consider our Lord YHWH, known as the great "I AM" of the
OT, as God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Thanks
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]To you and Arius both.
1 Tom 3:16.(KJV)."And without controversy great is the mystery
of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on
in the world, received up into glory."
That manifestation of the Flesh by GOD himself was Jesus
Christ!!!!!
Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4098--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 24, 2019, 2:54 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Dear Readers,
YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of
whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been
revealed to anyone at this time.
In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed
the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses [color=orange](eye witnesses),
saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that
ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before
me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his
own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the
Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically.
IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ...
simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible
Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of
Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has
been revealed to anyone at this time...
YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical
world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke
the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and
there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY
God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him,
there was none... neither there shall be after him.
Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our
world... made flesh... and became known as Jesus Christ... and
die for us to save us from our sins.
Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without
physical shape or form that never change.
God bless
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew
not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will
make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
#Post#: 4113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 24, 2019, 7:35 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg4098#msg4098
date=1550998475]
Dear Readers,
YHWH is the Christ himself, the Son of the invisible God, of
whom No man hath seen at anytime... Nor His Name has been
revealed to anyone at this time.
In the Old Testament, our Lord YHWH, the Son of God, proclaimed
the following statement as it is written in the Scripture....
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses [color=orange](eye witnesses),
saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that
ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before
me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
In order to be an Eye Witness, one must see the Subject with his
own eyes ... YHWH of old is the only begotten Son of the
Invisible Almighty God Father that you will see Physically.
IF you have seen the Son, you have already seen the Father ...
simply because, He is the Express Image of the Invisible
Godhead, BODILY. ... God is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of
Love, of whom No man hath seen at anytime.... nor his name has
been revealed to anyone at this time...
YHWH, the Son, was brought forth (begotten) into our physical
world from the invisible realm of his Father... when God spoke
the "Word" in the beginning and said "Let there be light and
there was light.” (Gen 1:3).... YHWH, the Son, became the ONLY
God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him,
there was none... neither there shall be after him.
Later in the New Testament, the Son, was sent AGAIN into our
world... made flesh... and became known as Jesus Christ... and
die for us to save us from our sins.
Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit without
physical shape or form that never change.
God bless
Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew
not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will
make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You Said: Note: The Almighty God Father is an
invisible Spirit without physical shape or form that never
change.
We have no way of knowing what form GOD is or can be. The
Bible(KJV) does not tell us this.
Blade
[/shadow]
*****************************************************
DIR Previous Page
DIR Next Page