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#Post#: 3766--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 8, 2019, 7:41 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3758#msg3758
date=1549622541]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg3736#msg3736
date=1549510481]
[shadow=blue,left]Seve, You Said: "Each of God's Days in Genesis
is NOT 24 hours since the word Days comes from the Hebrew word
“Yowm” which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an
Eternity."
Seve you are among many who use "yom" as a Day unknowing that it
can be translated to 54 other words. However, in the Bible, out
of the 1480 times "yom" is used, 1181 of them refer to DAY in
the preceding context. In addition, if a number is used with
"yom" the result is ALWAYS a LITERAL day.
However, the above may be informative but does not confirm that
each day was 24 hours??
In Exodus, God wrote in stone by His own Finger, the Ten
Commandments He gave to Moses.
Exodus 20:11.."For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,
the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
Here we are told by GOD, to keep the sabbath day holy.
The Hebrew Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week (God
given) and a 24 hour day. This corresponds directly to the
seventh day,"wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,".
Thereby, the other six Literal days are also 24 hour in length.
For in Exodus 20:10 we see: "But the seventh day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God:.........."
This above has been accepted by the majority of scholars as the
definition of Creation Days are: 24 hour in length.
Seve, you are going to have to read the Bible literally and
accept the Hebrew/Greek translations as being what GOD wanted us
to know or NOT!
It is your Choice!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Dear Blade,
Most people don't know the difference between God's time and
man's time.
God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of
Genesis. At the end of this 6th Day, Heaven will be complete,
and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to
Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has
No end.
Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of
the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond
this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars.
Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is
burned. God's time is Eternal.
A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH told Adam
that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his
commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he
lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die
Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are
born Spiritually are born Eternally.
Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is
only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be
the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th
Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.T
Once again, the Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and
the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by
Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.
Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great
Sabbath, the 7th Day (still in the future), when ALL Christians
will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for
the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no
evening and no end.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
IOW - The Bible was written for the past, present, and future.
It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme
Intelligence, it's just too hard for others - i.e. Unbelievers,
Pretenders and Religionist - of the Last Days to comprehend.
In order to understand, they need to study and search the
Scripture more seriously and be approved by God ….“Rightly
dividing the word of Truth”.
God bless
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Seve, you said"Most people don't know the
difference between God's time and man's time.
If you referring to the dispensation periods that have happened
since the Beginning Day One of Creation, we are in the general
area of 5779 years. This is according to Hebrew Rabbi's and is
confirmed by other sources including the Bible.
Therefore we are in the 5th dispensation period and if the seven
days of creation are any indication and when we use God's WORD;
2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day."
We can then determine than we still have the 6th dispensation
period to go before the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. That
dispensation period would be the Millennium.
The 7th day was a day of rest and GOD did nothing.
Thus, after the Millennium, the 7th dispensation period will
begin and the 1st day of the 7,000th year will have come and
gone. According to Jesus Christ, this dispensation will continue
forever and ever.
Therefore the name for this dispensation period;
ETERNITY
Blade
[/shaddow]
#Post#: 3769--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 8, 2019, 10:35 pm
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Dear Readers,
Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "formed of the dust of the
ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd Day, as Jesus
meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth was made, and the Same
Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE the plants, herbs,
trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which came forth from the
water on the 5th Day.... and those creatures made by Jesus on
the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.
Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet
during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded
by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his
Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve -
and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.
In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and
Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth
of History . A good example is the below which shows that the
first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our
present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago -
Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was
totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.
HTML http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html
Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed
Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and
likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations.....
after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) .
(Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our God is an Awesome God.
#Post#: 3778--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 9, 2019, 10:24 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3769#msg3769
date=1549686939]
Dear Readers,
Genesis 2:4-7 tell us that man was "[color=green]formed of the
dust of the ground" becoming a natural living soul, on the 3rd
Day, [/color]as Jesus meet…..... The SAME Day the first Earth
was made, and the Same Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, BEFORE
the plants, herbs, trees, Stars of our Cosmos, and life which
came forth from the water on the 5th Day.... and those
creatures made by Jesus on the 6th Day from the dust of the
ground, which Adam named.
Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus, as our Lord’s meet
during the Making of our present Universe.. Adam was surrounded
by a Shekinah Glory similar to the one Jesus have, but lost his
Shekinah Glory when he sinned on the 6th Day together with Eve -
and found themselves naked - in body of flesh and blood.
In fact, the dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and
Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth
of History . A good example is the below which shows that the
first Human cities were built (some are still with us) on our
present planet by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago -
Gen 10:10 - AFTER Ark arrived here from the 1st world which was
totally destroyed / dissolved by the Great Universal Flood.
HTML http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html
Scripture also tells us that… God who’s full of Mercy, redeemed
Adam and Eve of their sins and were Created in their image and
likeness or born again, spiritually during Seth generations.....
after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen.4:26) .
(Gen. 5:1-3 cross - Gen 1:26-27;).
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our God is an Awesome God.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Boy Howdy, you sure did step in the slop jar
this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think
so....But that one error causes all the other items you have
stated as being at the best, suspect..
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3781--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 10, 2019, 12:06 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg3778#msg3778
date=1549772648]
[shadow=blue,left]Boy Howdy, you sure did step in the slop jar
this time! GOD made man on the 3rd day??????Hum.....Don't think
so....But that one error causes all the other items you have
stated as being at the best, suspect..
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Dear Readers,
Here's the REAL TRUTH... contrary to Blade's FALSE assertion....
So far, the relevant PREVIOUS post below is contrary to Blades'
misrepresentation of facts above..... and the Post below REMAINS
UNCONTESTED... simply because...
Blade could NOT refute it using the Scripture to support his/her
FALSE accusation and misrepresentation of my Biblical stand
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3533#msg3533
date=1548766334]
Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he
was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve
on the 6th Day.
Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground
on the THIRD Day:
v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the
earth and the heavens,
As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10
These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.
v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not
caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to
till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the
whole face of the ground.
Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on
the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen
1:12-13
v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul.
On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the
plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground.
Correct?
Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is
speaking of the THIRD Day.
v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there
he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree
that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of
life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge
of good and evil.
Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the
THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.
Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust
becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even
created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was
made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed
their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.
IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in
God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and
Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin
; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual
Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’
generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord
as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen
5:1-2
In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in
the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have
already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden
of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event
took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to
call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.
Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that
God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called
their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son
in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the
beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of
God.
Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of
God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually
in Christ.
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living sou l; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Amen?
[/quote]
#Post#: 3791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 10, 2019, 6:27 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=323.msg3729#msg3729
date=1549482194]
[quote]
Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation,
Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing,
and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like
you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days,
to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is
not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His
tasks.
Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the
Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do
work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.
God bless you.
PS
I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity) interpretation
though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
[/quote]
Teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their
false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus
isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the
Trinity.[/quote]
"Equal in essence", .. can you find me a Scripture verse that
explains, or even hints on such "equality"? I know Jesus never
claimed that, and I thought I have exhausted all Scripture
references used to justify this equality, but none did justice.
If Jesus is equal to God, then he must have been very confused
when this 2/3'ds of God was here on earth by the comments he
made, wouldn't you think my brother?
Now the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses we see was clearly
God "in the Angel", yet the Trinitarians ignore that fourth God,
.. why?
[quote] Patrick Jane Said: They see the word "begotten" and say
that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a
beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is
that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As
such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word,
not transfer English meanings into the text.
So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English
Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian
Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary
definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the
only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is
its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as
Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one
son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son
of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among
the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that
context.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of
its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is
implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9).
John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is
the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight
Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as
God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by
adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only”
Son.[/quote]
I don't see it like the JW's, or any other Christian
denomination.
Yes, I understand all that, but the Word (before he became flesh
and was named Jesus) was the First and the Last, the Alpha and
Omega, as John 1- explains, while after him God had many
"children", some even became disobedient and left their abode
and came flirting with the daughters of men, and married
whomever they chose, .. right?
The Bible says "the Only Begotten Son of God", because like Eve,
she was the Only begotten of Adam. Adam was created in the Image
of God, and it is obvious that Eve was begotten or "taken out
of" Adam.
Now Adam and even beget many other children, just as through the
son Word, God beget many other children also. It says it right
in John and other places who Gods son Word was, and he is always
the true one, and unlike Abraham who's first child was of sin
through Hagar, (doubting God is a sin, since Abraham allowed his
wife to doubt God) we can't use sin begotten children as an
example. (I don't want to sound sarcastic my dear brother but)
that is a Christian habit to include sin begotten children into
the Trinity Apologetic.
[quote]The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son,"
descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us
understand the relationship between the different Persons of the
Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human
father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the
relationship between the First and Second Persons of the
Trinity.[/quote]
Please my dearest friends, think how that sounds? Yes, of course
God made it so we could understand this Father and son
relationship, but How the son Word came to be is clearly shown
throughout the Bible, especially in:
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image,
according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish
of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over
all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the
earth.”
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He
created him; male and female He created them.
So here is God talking to His son Word: “Let Us make man in Our
image, according to Our likeness" (please notice how the KJV and
NKJV capitalizes the word "Our" to keep the Trinity in the
readers mind that these are gods talking) So how could we liken
this to Abraham and Hagar? We can't, it is about man Adam, and
the woman Eve, right?
Now look how clear this is: So[/i] God created man in His own
image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He
created them. .. man was in Gods image, and how do we know Eve
was in the son's Word image?
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were
created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or
powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And
He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made
that has been made.
So obviously since All things were created through the son Word,
then God created all his other Children through him too, so this
fits Eve since all men came through Eve.
[quote]The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and
teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s
Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced”
or “created” by God the Father.[/quote]
But that is what the Bible says (I disagree on who the JW's say
Jesus is and on many other of their way-out doctrines) but have
to agree on this one. What's written has to stay, and it is
reiterated throughout the Bible, while Jesus being God is not.
Someone Co-equal with God would never say "My Father is greater
than I, .. I do what my Father commands me to do, and say what I
heard Him say" and so on.
My son will never be equal with me, he will always remain my
son, and I will always remain his father. He was never born my
equal, nor will he ever be my father as this Christian doctrine
try to use:
Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says,
But about the son WHO says? This is David prophesying of the son
Word coming into the world:
Psalm 45:2 You are the most excellent of men
and your lips have been anointed with grace,
since God has blessed you forever.
3 Gird your sword on your side, you mighty one;
clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
4 In your majesty ride forth victoriously
in the cause of truth, humility and justice;
let your right hand achieve awesome deeds.
5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
******************
And it is here David is saying what the son is fighting for as
he comes into this world:
Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, (the son of God is saying
this)
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
(now this is David saying about the son Word becoming flesh as
Jesus Christ-)
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
(as is explained in Colossians 1:15-17)
Putting all things in perspective, while the Trinity is always
taking Scripture out of context to try to justify God dying,
which they can only do by making Jesus God.
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Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: Seve Date: February 10, 2019, 8:01 am
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3757#msg3757
date=1549620906]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3727#msg3727
date=1549481784]
Wow Seve, this is exactly how I understand Genesis 1 creation,
Gods Days are from when He starts to do, or create one thing,
and then ends when He's finished with that project. This, like
you said could take anywhere from one of our present solar days,
to a million years. God is Eternal, outside of time, so He is
not governed by "time", but by the start, and finish of His
tasks.
Besides, Jesus even said when he was accused of braking the
Sabbath, that his Father is always working, and the Pharisees do
work also if their ox was to fall into a ditch.
God bless you.
PS
[color=orange]I do disagree with your Jesus-is-God (Trinity)
interpretation though. How can God/Infinite/Eternal be begotten?
[/quote]
Dear Arius,
[size=12pt]Like his invisible God Father, the Son already
existed at the bosom of the Father from the beginning; from
everlasting- BEFORE the World was. He was brought forth
(begotten) into our physical world in the beginning of creation
of our physical worlds... when God commanded the first “Word”
spoken in the Scripture.... and said... "LET THERE BE LIGHT":
and there was light. Gen. 1:3
YHWH or Jesus, the Son, became the only God physically formed
for us to see and witness. He was sent again into our world in
the NT and made flesh ; sacrifice himself and die for us; to
save us from our sins.
His Father is an invisible Spirit, the Spirit of Love....
without physical shape or form.… that changes Not.
The brightness of the glory of the the Son of God provided the
light in the Beginning (Alpha) as He will also provide the light
of new heaven in the End (Omega)
Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the
moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and
the Lamb is the light thereof.
God bless
[/quote]
Dear Arius,
Here's how you can also reconcile the bringing forth (begotten)
of the Son of God (YHWH) into our physical worlds from the
beginning; from everlasting - coming from the Same Spiritual
Essence and attributes of His God Father....
He became known as the ONLY God physically formed for us to see
and witness. ....... For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily - Col 2:9. ..... Thou hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:9
Note: I am going to cite 3 different Scriptures as my Biblical
Proof Texts that are in harmony together - acting as my
witnesses:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. John 1:1
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his
works of old. Prov. 8:22
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face
of the waters. Gen 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the
earth was. Prov 8:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen, 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made. John 1:3
When there were no depths, I was brought forth (begotten); when
there were no fountains abounding with water. Prov 8:24
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.Gen.1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I
brought forth: Prov 8:25
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended
it not. John 1:5
Amen?
#Post#: 3816--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 10, 2019, 9:37 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21.
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity
Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement.
Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and
one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us
God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God
into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with
God. Big difference!
Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and
his God, because?
John 5: The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the
Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus
said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day,
and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with
God.
(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God?
Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the
Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ
blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son
can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his
Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also
does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does.
Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that
you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead
and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is
pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but
has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the
Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the
Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does
not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one
who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come
into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me
should stay in darkness.
Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
#Post#: 3818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 10, 2019, 10:10 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21.
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity
Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement.
Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and
one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us
God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God
into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with
God. Big difference!
Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and
his God, because?
John 5: The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the
Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus
said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day,
and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with
God.
(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God?
Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the
Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ
blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son
can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his
Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also
does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does.
Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that
you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead
and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is
pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but
has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the
Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the
Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does
not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one
who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come
into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me
should stay in darkness.
Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]do you believe in HELL Arius or is it your
intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath
falls upon you?
you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion
was."
Your calling GOD the same as demons?
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3834--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest43 Date: February 11, 2019, 7:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg3818#msg3818
date=1549858242]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21.
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity
Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement.
Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and
one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us
God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God
into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with
God. Big difference!
Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and
his God, because?
John 5: The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the
Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus
said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day,
and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with
God.
(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God?
Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the
Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ
blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son
can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his
Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also
does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does.
Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that
you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead
and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is
pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but
has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the
Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the
Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does
not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one
who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come
into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me
should stay in darkness.
Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]do you believe in HELL Arius or is it your
intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath
falls upon you?
you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion
was."
Your calling GOD the same as demons?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for
the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found,
I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC
created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God
into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more
then one mentioned in the Bible is
Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” (singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we
are many.” (plural)
I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One
into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the
Christian Religion that has done that!
Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian
Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how
Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian
Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding
(please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to
mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity
Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is
one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in
hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s
That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the
Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I
have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from
every Christian Forum for doing it.
May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be
told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But
God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very
hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not
practice divination or seek omens.
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to
the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.
2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They
practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do
evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.
In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with
substance, not blind faith.
Arius
#Post#: 3837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning
By: guest8 Date: February 11, 2019, 8:10 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3834#msg3834
date=1549934346]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=323.msg3818#msg3818
date=1549858242]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=323.msg3816#msg3816
date=1549856278]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=323.msg3636#msg3636
date=1549109719]
The Plurality of God ("Trinity") as One, based on the
Scriptures - A Mystical Union of Heaven.
A Mystical Union is one that God made. A good example is - one
of which marriage becomes One Flesh, according to the Scripture.
Since marriage is actually made under the jurisdiction of
heaven, it’s God who actually joins the man and the woman in a
Mystical Union.
One in Unity is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, The husband and
wife are described as One Flesh (echad) by God. The use of the
Hebrew word "Echad" (One) in the text... is only possible in the
sense of Unity... as Collective One - A Mystical Union from
Heaven.
Gen 2 (KJV)
v23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of
Man.
V24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And this Mystical Union of Marriage has a Biblical precedent....
The Unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as One
(echad) God - Collective One that is.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is One
(echad)LORD.
We can also understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my
Father are one.” One in Unity NOT in number. It is also in this
sense that thousands can be One like the builders of the tower
of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be One
in this sense according to John 17:21.
Here’ another example:
“There are three (numeric) that bear records in heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three (numeric)
are One (Unity). 1John 5:7
Therefore, the Plurality or Triune of God is One in Unity... NOT
in Numeric Number.
God bless
[/quote]
Thank you Seve, only your version of 1 John 5:7 is the Trinity
Version, here is what it really says:
1 John 5:6 NIV
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did
not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the
Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For
there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement.
Yes, we are all to become one with God, one mind, one heart and
one in soul, through Jesus Christ. But that will not make us
God, only in agreement with Him.
The Trinity makes the One and only possible One Infinite God
into many, but Christs message was to bring many as one with
God. Big difference!
Like Gods son Word was always in agreement with his Father and
his God, because?
John 5: The Authority of the Son
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the
Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus
said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day,
and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with
God.
(Why did the Jews think Jesus was making himself equal with God?
Because he was even calling God his own Father. This means the
Jews would consider us believers and disciples of Christ
blasphemers, for we also accept God as our Heavenly Father.)
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son
can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his
Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also
does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does.
Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that
you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead
and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is
pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but
has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the
Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the
Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does
not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45 The one
who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. 46 I have come
into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me
should stay in darkness.
Did Jesus send himself, or was it his Father who sent him?
Yes, marriage makes two as one, because Eve was taken out of
Adam. But the Trinity make One God, our One and Only Infinite
Creator into three persons.
That's like saying: Adam is not Adam without Eve and Cain, .. or
Eve and Seth. That Adam is a triune-person; Adam, Eve and Seth
together make up Adam. This is what the Trinity is about,
separating God into many, like what the demon Legion was.
God bless you Seve.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]do you believe in HELL Arius or is it your
intention to see just how far you can get before God's wrath
falls upon you?
you said:" separating God into many, like what the demon Legion
was."
Your calling GOD the same as demons?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Yes my friend I believe in hell, and I know how it must feel for
the lost to be there, for once I too was lost, but now am found,
I was blind too, but now I see. And what I see is this RCC
created Christian Religion's heretical doctrine that makes God
into 'more than one created beings'.
The only place a single deity/spirit/demon that is actually more
then one mentioned in the Bible is
Mark 5:9
Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” (singular)
“My (singular) name is Legion,” he (singular) replied, “for we
are many.” (plural)
I am not the one making God who is the Infinite and Eternal One
into three beings, a triune pluralistic being, it is the
Christian Religion that has done that!
Here, let me step away from the creators of the Christian
Religion the Roman Catholic Church the Pope, and show you how
Satan also rules in the Reformation part of the Christian
Religion. Here is Ravi Zacharias with his sophisticated sounding
(please forgive me for saying this) bull shit, hoping to
mesmerize the already stupefied college kids attending Trinity
Colleges and Schools of Divinity as if our Infinite Creator is
one of the tens of thousands of pagan divine beings, gods, in
hopes of them becoming Christian with a "Degree in Divination".
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788hMI1Lc-s&t=115s
That's right, a "Degree in Divinity" because that is what the
Christian gods are, divine, supernatural beings, demons, and I
have proven this many times in the past, only to be Banned from
every Christian Forum for doing it.
May the Lord bless Patrick Jane for allowing the truth to be
told here, even though I know he may disagree with me still. But
God is an awesome God, and He searches the hearts, so I am very
hopeful, and I'm praying for us all!
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Leviticus 19:26
“‘Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. “‘Do not
practice divination or seek omens.
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Joshua 13:22
In addition to those slain in battle, the Israelites had put to
the sword Balaam son of Beor, who practiced divination.
2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They
practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do
evil in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger.
In Christs love, and faith that comes by evidence with
substance, not blind faith.
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Arius, all of the scripture you mentioned was part of the Law
God gave Moses for the Israeli people. We at this time are no
longer under the LAW but rather the Grace of Jesus Christ.
Did you listen to the POPE about the failure at the cross? I
guess you believed him?
NO...then If he does not believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
why are you following him (the pope)?
Jesus gave us the laws to follow in the books that Paul wrote.
Hope you change your mind.
Blade
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