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#Post#: 4063--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 21, 2019, 3:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3935#msg3935
date=1550308328]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=317.msg3926#msg3926
date=1550283066]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3862#msg3862
date=1550015863]
--- End Quote ---
Can you answer my previous question?
--- Quote ---
> arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see
and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or
did he come before God Himself?
>
> a) Moses spoke to God
> b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
> c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
--- Quote ---
> [shadow=blue,left]A trick question to be sure.
>
> In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in
a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and,
behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not
consumed."
>
> In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see
this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."
>
> In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to
see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said,
Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."
>
> In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And
Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."
>
> So the answer to you question is all of the above>
--- End Quote ---
So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the
Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well
as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God
was speaking through?
Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach
you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you
are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at
Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very
carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for
yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a
man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that
flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the
ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up
to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the
heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and
worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the
nations under heaven.
--- Quote ---
> Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is
a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now
you say, the two others above are God also?
How about this; remember Jesus saying:
John 14:9 (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have
been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen
the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling
and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that
won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could
tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and
talked to their Heavenly Father God?"
What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe
something like this?
"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you
on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me
has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I
go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen
Him’!?
Do you see it now my friend?
John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld
His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full
of grace and truth.
… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who
is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see
God in us", .. right?
1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of
God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone
defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple
of God is holy, which temple you are.
Take care my friend!
in the spirit of
Arius
[/quote]
Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD? BUT
then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.
****[/quote]
Whaaa?? You didn't read what I said? If I was to claim Jesus as
God, I shown you that I would have to claim the Fiery Angel of
the Lord as God also, so why is the Fiery Angel of the Lord not
part of the Trinity-gods?
--- Quote ---
> Blade said - you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell
the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked
to their Heavenly Father God?""
>
> Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the
Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in
that book!
--- End Quote ---
I proposed that question to you, as referring to the
trinity-gods, which you would have to add all the other
manifestations of God on earth, not just Jesus and the holy
Spirit.
--- Quote ---
> ****
> you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord
declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became
flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
> In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God,
or parts that make up who God is, right?"
>
>
> According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another
GOD
>
> John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father
also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."
>
>
> If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what
Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can
see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get
Salvation?
--- End Quote ---
So how will you receive salvation by making Jesus into a
sun-god, and worship three gods instead of One?
Jesus said: "No one comes to the Father except by/through me",
.. he did not say the "me" was God, never.
--- Quote ---
> John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
>
> Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was
God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree
to this!
--- End Quote ---
.. so was the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses God also? If
you make Jesus God, the Holy Spirit God, then why not the Angel
of Fire?
--- Quote ---
> "but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is,
right?""
>
> Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit. In many places
of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:
>
> Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost:"
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, that's a Trinity baptism over babies before they are able
to accept, or refuse anything. For us Believers there is only
One Baptism, .. unless someone will go as far as claiming they
were baptized in Arius.
--- Quote ---
> The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the
HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation? Interesting
>
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as
taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods
you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.
You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One
God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this
Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because
Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".
Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods
doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism,
this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?
HTML http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8
Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:
Arius.
#Post#: 4082--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 22, 2019, 8:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=317.msg3939#msg3939
date=1550333876]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3935#msg3935
date=1550308328]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=317.msg3926#msg3926
date=1550283066]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3862#msg3862
date=1550015863]
--- End Quote ---
Can you answer my previous question?
--- Quote ---
> arius asked - When Moses went up the mountain, did he go see
and talk to a bush that was on fire, an Angel of the Lord, or
did he come before God Himself?
>
> a) Moses spoke to God
> b) Moses spoke to the Angel of the Lord
> c) Moses spoke to a bush on fire that didn't burn up
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
--- Quote ---
> [shadow=blue,left]A trick question to be sure.
>
> In Exodus 3:2.."And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in
a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and,
behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not
consumed."
>
> In Exodus 3:3.."And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see
this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."
>
> In Exodus 3:4..."And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to
see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said,
Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."
>
> In Exodus 3:6.."Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And
Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God."
>
> So the answer to you question is all of the above>
--- End Quote ---
So why isn't the "Bush on Fire that didn't burn up, and the
Angel of the Lord are not included in the Trinity-gods as well
as all the other Angels/Thunder/Still Small Voice etc. that God
was speaking through?
Deuteronomy 4:14 And the Lord directed me at that time to teach
you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you
are crossing the Jordan to possess.
Idolatry Forbidden
15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at
Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very
carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for
yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a
man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that
flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the
ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up
to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the
heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and
worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the
nations under heaven.
--- Quote ---
> Am going to wait and see where you are going to take this.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, I was hoping that you see that in the Trinity-gods God is
a God, the son is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God, and now
you say, the two others above are God also?
How about this; remember Jesus saying:
John 14:9 (NIV)
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have
been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen
the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Now imagine Moses up on the Mountain of God as he is trembling
and kneeling before the Fiery Angel of the Lord in the Bush that
won't burn up asking the Angel: "Can you show me God, so I could
tell the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and
talked to their Heavenly Father God?"
What do you think the Angel of the Lord would tell Moses? Maybe
something like this?
"Don’t you know me, Moses, even after I have been talking to you
on this mountain for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me
has seen God. So how can you say, ‘Show me the Father so when I
go back to Egypt I could tell the Children of Israel I seen
Him’!?
Do you see it now my friend?
John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld
His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full
of grace and truth.
… 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who
is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
I mean we hope when people see and talk to us, that they "see
God in us", .. right?
1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of
God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone
defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple
of God is holy, which temple you are.
Take care my friend!
in the spirit of
Arius
[/quote]
Interesting Arius....you are now recognizing Jesus as GOD? BUT
then you try to turn it into ---> three are separate GODs!.
****[/quote]
Whaaa?? You didn't read what I said? If I was to claim Jesus as
God, I shown you that I would have to claim the Fiery Angel of
the Lord as God also, so why is the Fiery Angel of the Lord not
part of the Trinity-gods?
--- Quote ---
> Blade said - you said:" "Can you show me God, so I could tell
the Children of Israel back in Egypt that I have seen and talked
to their Heavenly Father God?""
>
> Maybe you could contact those who write the NIV Version of the
Bible and sell them the above statement. It would fit right in
that book!
--- End Quote ---
I proposed that question to you, as referring to the
trinity-gods, which you would have to add all the other
manifestations of God on earth, not just Jesus and the holy
Spirit.
--- Quote ---
> ****
> you said:"So just as the Fiery Angel of the Lord
declared/revealed God to Moses, the son Word came down, became
flesh and declared/revealed God to us.
> In both cases it was God speaking, but we don't make them God,
or parts that make up who God is, right?"
>
>
> According to you, I must call the "Angel of the Lord" another
GOD
>
> John 14:7.."If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father
also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."
>
>
> If you will back up 2 verses of John 14, you will see what
Jesus is telling you. Then, if you back another verse, you can
see what Jesus is telling you, what you have to do to get
Salvation?
--- End Quote ---
So how will you receive salvation by making Jesus into a
sun-god, and worship three gods instead of One?
Jesus said: "No one comes to the Father except by/through me",
.. he did not say the "me" was God, never.
--- Quote ---
> John 14:6.."Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
>
> Here again, you are speaking in circles: "In both cases it was
God speaking" Yes, in both cases it was GOD speaking. I agree
to this!
--- End Quote ---
.. so was the Angel of Fire that appeared to Moses God also? If
you make Jesus God, the Holy Spirit God, then why not the Angel
of Fire?
--- Quote ---
> "but we don't make them God, or parts that make up who God is,
right?""
>
> Wrong!!! Jesus is GOD as is the Holy Spirit. In many places
of the NT, Jesus tells the apostles:
>
> Mat 28:19.."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost:"
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, that's a Trinity baptism over babies before they are able
to accept, or refuse anything. For us Believers there is only
One Baptism, .. unless someone will go as far as claiming they
were baptized in Arius.
--- Quote ---
> The bottom line is, you do not believe in GOD, The SON and the
HOLY Spirit. Yet, you claim salvation? Interesting
>
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as
taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods
you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.
You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One
God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this
Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because
Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".
Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods
doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism,
this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?
HTML http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8
Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:
Arius.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
In 1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is
Jesus)
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 4186--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 27, 2019, 3:05 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg4063#msg4063
date=1550786356]
> ……………
>
> I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as
taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods
you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.
>
> You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One
God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this
Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because
Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".
>
> Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods
doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism,
this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?
>
>
HTML http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8
>
> Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:
>
> Arius.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
In 1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is
Jesus)
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.
I agree, and never denied that.
Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or
appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his
Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince,
reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare
then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, ..
right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name",
or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo,
Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the
Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of
David, the son of Abraham.
.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When
as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came
together, she was found with child of God (Holy Ghost whom the
trinity claims is also God).
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with
God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and
we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile
nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope
would go something like this:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten God of God.
Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has
qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in
the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and
conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom
we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins.
(for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether
thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things
were created through God and for God.
19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God,
whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace
through the blood of Gods cross.
Now these next verses loose the core message through the
Trinity:
Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you
with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh,
yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order
and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7
rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you
have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty
deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the
basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For
in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you
are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and
power.
Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things
which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3
For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When
God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God
in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of
the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into
flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the
Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not
only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they
call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution,
creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a
spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods
image.
I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy,
all of it!
Arius
#Post#: 4194--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 27, 2019, 10:51 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=317.msg4082#msg4082
date=1550888397]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg4063#msg4063
date=1550786356]
> ……………
>
> I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as
taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods
you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.
>
> You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One
God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this
Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because
Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".
>
> Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods
doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism,
this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?
>
>
HTML http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8
>
> Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:
>
> Arius.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
In 1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is
Jesus)
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.
I agree, and never denied that.
Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or
appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his
Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince,
reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare
then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, ..
right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name",
or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo,
Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the
Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of
David, the son of Abraham.
.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When
as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came
together, she was found with child of God (Holy Ghost whom the
trinity claims is also God).
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with
God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and
we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile
nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope
would go something like this:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten God of God.
Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has
qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in
the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and
conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom
we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins.
(for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether
thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things
were created through God and for God.
19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God,
whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace
through the blood of Gods cross.
Now these next verses loose the core message through the
Trinity:
Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you
with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh,
yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order
and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7
rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you
have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty
deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the
basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For
in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you
are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and
power.
Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things
which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3
For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When
God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God
in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of
the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into
flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the
Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not
only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they
call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution,
creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a
spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods
image.
I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy,
all of it!
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Arius, I gave you one scripture and you wanted
more for you did not believe the scriptures I gave you. Yes,
GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD.
Your Blasphemy: (God's son WORD)... is So SAD!
Your said:[b]" Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of
God, but God Himself."[/b]
Jesus was a MAN at the time of His Crucifixion. "God was
manifest in the Flesh".
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4210--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest2
Date: February 28, 2019, 3:15 pm
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You shouldn't cut that out of context, Blade.
The context is the mystery of godliness.
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 28, 2019, 8:13 pm
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--- Quote from: 1Mind1Spirit link ---
>
> You shouldn't cut that out of context, Blade.
> The context is the mystery of godliness.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blade,left]I agree, 1Mind1Spirit, Have no excuse fro not
including it as well. Glad you said something about it..
Thanks my friend
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 12, 2019, 6:04 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg4186#msg4186
date=1551301554]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=317.msg4082#msg4082
date=1550888397]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg4063#msg4063
date=1550786356]
> ……………
>
> I believe in God, through the son Word aka Jesus Christ, as
taught to me by Gods holy Spirit, but not the three Trinity gods
you're defending: God-god, Sun-god and Holy spirit-god.
>
> You see my friend the Bible teaches that: "There is but One
God", and not that "all gods are One" as is the case in this
Trinity Doctrine. You cannot 'make up' Infinite, because
Infinite "Is", as he explained to Moses: "I Am".
>
> Don't you, my dear friends here see that this Trinity-gods
doctrine is now coming to fruition in this religious syncretism,
this: "Inter faith, Inter Spiritualism and Oneness" doctrine?
>
>
HTML http://cisthetaglobal.com/mathematically-proved-religions-equal/
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtNdsQHUEI8
>
> Not so according to Gods Word in the Bible, or according to:
>
> Arius.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
In 1 TIM 3:16.(KJV)..."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh. (Jesus is God and God is
Jesus)
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]
My friend, you said: Jesus was GOD manifest in the Flesh.
I agree, and never denied that.
Manifest
past tense: manifested; past participle: manifested
display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or
appearance; demonstrate.
"Jesus manifested/demonstrated/revealed/declared signs of his
Father"
synonyms:
display, show, exhibit, demonstrate, betray, present, evince,
reveal, indicate, make plain, express, declare
then you put in quote: (Jesus is God and God is Jesus)
Which is what I'm waiting for you to show Scripturally, ..
right? Otherwise we could, like the J.W's did with "Gods-name",
or how the Mormons did included the divinations of Mormo,
Christians too can re-write the whole Bible accord to the
Trinity. Here would be a few examples starting with Mathew 1
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ God, the son of
David, the son of Abraham.
.. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ God was on this wise: When
as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came
together, she was found with child of God (Holy Ghost whom the
trinity claims is also God).
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word God, and the Word God was with
God, and the Word God was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
.. 14 And the Word God was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and
we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son God, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
The rest is the Trinity Translation according to the gentile
nation Rome, as approved by the Holiest of Fathers the Pope
would go something like this:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten God, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not Himself into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through God might be saved.
18 He that believeth on God is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten God of God.
Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father-God who has
qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in
the light. 13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and
conveyed us into the kingdom of the God of His love, 14 in whom
we have redemption through Gods blood, the forgiveness of sins.
(for God shed His blood and died)
15 God is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation. 16 For by God all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether
thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things
were created through God and for God.
19 For it pleased God that in God all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by God to reconcile all things to Himself, by God,
whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace
through the blood of Gods cross.
Now these next verses loose the core message through the
Trinity:
Colossians 2:4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you
with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh,
yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order
and the steadfastness of your faith in God.
6 As you therefore have received God the Lord, so walk in Him, 7
rooted and built up in God and established in the faith, as you
have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty
deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the
basic principles of the world, and not according to God. 9 For
in God dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you
are complete in God, who is the head of all principality and
power.
Colossians 3:If then you were raised with God, seek those things
which are above, where God is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3
For you died, and your life is hidden with God in God. 4 When
God who is our life appears, then you also will appear with God
in glory.
.. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of
the Lord God, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
Don't you see, that if Jesus is God, then you make God turn into
flesh/sin for us, shed His blood and died by the hands of the
Romans who now call themselves Christians. Thus the Romans not
only killed Jesus the son of God, but God Himself.
So with God dead, they can fill the gap with stories which they
call scientific theories like the Big Bang and Evolution,
creating a new Heaven (space full of planets) and a new earth (a
spinning, evolving paper-globe) with apes created in their Gods
image.
I pray to the Lord that you would see that this is blasphemy,
all of it!
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Arius, I gave you one scripture and you wanted
more for you did not believe the scriptures I gave you. Yes,
GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD.
Your Blasphemy: (God's son WORD)... is So SAD!
Your said:[b]" Thus the Romans not only killed Jesus the son of
God, but God Himself."[/b]
Jesus was a MAN at the time of His Crucifixion. "God was
manifest in the Flesh".
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Now you say that our Infinite and Eternal God can become all
flesh and actually die? It's because how over the history the
word Infinite was changed into a "size", instead of "I Am".
Look:
Infinite
adjective
1. limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to
measure or calculate.
synonyms:
boundless, unbounded, unlimited, limitless, without limit,
without end, never-ending
Once we think of God/Infinite as space, we loose our concept of
God. Space has to have borders to be called "space"
How much space do you have left in your car, .. etc.
Think of Infinite as your Mind, for our mind/spirit is of God,
it too is Infinite. You cannot fill your mind with things,
never, there will always be room for more. You could think of
infinite number of imaginary expanding universes and since our
mind has no borders, it remains infinite.
Now think of a car, it's in your mind, and with your spirit you
can check this car out, you can re-design it, enlarge it to any
size, this proves that our mind is conscious. That "we exist"
and it's separate of our limited body.
This is why God told Moses as to who He was: "I Am", because He
Is The Conscious Infinite and Eternal Mind/Spirit
We are In God, meticulously created just like an engineer
creates a car, or whatever, in his mind, and then, manifests it
through Gods creation of materials we find in our little world.
But God has to create every material atom by atom, design it and
retain that info so it won't change. This is what we make
inventions out of, the materials that God has created for us.
These are set by rules
and laws. That's what reality is, that's what the physical
universe, Heaven and earth and everything in it is made of,
rules ans laws created by our Creator God.
Now imagine yourself, your spirit/mind without your body, you
would be just spirit. You will still exist in God as
information, only without a body, everything about you is
retained in God/Spirit/Mind, .. who you are, and everything you
have ever done or thought of is there in God/Infinite.
Now God will give us New bodies for our mind/spirit to possess,
and a new place to dwell.
You see, once we understand God, we understand how silly it is
to say God/Infinite/Mind can become flesh and die. Impossible.
But a created being can give up eternity, jump into time here on
earth, .. and age, and even be killed, which is really the
ruining of the body beyond our mind/spirit ability to control
it, like a wrecked car, nothing works on it anymore, then our
spirit/mind just leaves it, since it's useless.
Arius
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: March 21, 2019, 10:31 am
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--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> Seek the Lord my friend, but just so you know that "there are
many false Christs out there", .. many denominations yelling:
"He's here, .. no, he is over there!"
> Read the Bible, if there is anything in there (not what some
God hater atheist, or Religious Priest who want's to get you in
his church told you) that you don't understand, hey, I'm here, I
can maybe explain!? If not me, there is a lot of good info out
there, all you have to do is look, seek, knock!
--- End Quote ---
Why would I restrict myself to one book, doctrine?!?
I’m more curious in how a man “thinketh” than religion. I
believe that a man that thinks for himself doesn’t need any
religious scripture. I also think that all organised religion is
evil, mind control - per definition.
I DO believe that the teachings of Joshua of Nazareth can be
used as an antidote to mind control...
When I read the Quran, I was surprised how similar it was to the
Bible – very similar to the Tanach (Old Testament).
My interpretation of the Quran is that it is no more or less
than Mohammed’s interpretation of the Bible. This doesn’t make
him a prophet of course, and he was lying when he told his
gullible followers that it was told to him by the archangle
Gabriel.
Reading some of your posts on the Trinity made me realise that
there is no Trinity in the Quran.
I’m curious what you “thinketh” about Islam.
The following excerpts from the Quran are against the Trinity
doctrine of the New Testament.
— Sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[3]
--- Quote ---
> O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your
religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah,
Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His
word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command]
from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not
say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is
but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs
whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And
sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
--- End Quote ---
— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[4]
--- Quote ---
> They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the
Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O
Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has
forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there
are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly
disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there
is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what
they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers
among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to
Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and
Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger;
[other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was
a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We
make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
--- End Quote ---
— Sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[5]
--- Quote ---
> And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of
Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as
deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was
not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said
it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and
I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is
Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You
commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I
was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when
You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are,
over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed
they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is
You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 21, 2019, 12:44 pm
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[member=40]Firestarter[/member] - I don't know where that crap
you posted came from and I don't want to. That's apparently
another one of many problems you have. You reject the Bible for
some reason and instead you read and post fiction.
#Post#: 4543--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: March 22, 2019, 10:07 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [member=40]Firestarter[/member] - I don't know where that crap
you posted came from and I don't want to. That's apparently
another one of many problems you have. You reject the Bible for
some reason and instead you read and post fiction.
--- End Quote ---
There you go again accusing me of making fake posts!
Those are quotes from the Quran that you call fake...
You once asked me for assistance in getting you some cannabis
seeds. This confirmed to me that you regularly smoke a joint.
Possibly every single day, even posting when you´re stoned...
This also confirms the "quality" of your posts, as you
apparently live in a dreamworld unable to see the difference
between truth or fiction.
When I replied to a post of yours calling mine "fake", I replied
that you should keep away from the drugs, because you'll never
find the truth if you numb your brain like that.
In reply you blatantly denied that you use drugs at all!
You never answered my following post in which I explained why I
think you use drugs on a regular basis, to which you never
answered.
I´ve just tried to find back these posts of yours, but couldn´t.
You didn´t delete your posts did you?
If you did you´re an even worse liar than the Letsrollforums
scum!
Good luck with numbing your brain. You probably also get drunk
more than once a week.
I advise you to stop destroying your mind. I don´t think that
you´re a bad person at all, but the drugs makes you immune from
reality and an easy victim of mind control.
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