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#Post#: 3633--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 2, 2019, 1:26 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
>
> [shadow=blue,left]
> you said:"But if we look at this video closer, one thing
specially sticks out, it is the New Age, or this;
NASA-science-age. Planets, the Globe earth, beautiful CGI tour
of the Star Trek space, with quasars exploding creating black
holes and eventually evolving over billions of years galaxies
filled with planets which are said to be twirling and expanding
along the Fabric of Spacetime, all the while he speaks of none
other then Jesus the Lord.
> "
>
> Rem, None of this is real. God tells us what the world is and
it is not according to NASA.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
So do you believe that the earth is a globe spinning up there
where the stars are?
Or are you saying nothing is real?
Or do you mean this:
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were
framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were
not made of things which do appear.
Thanks.
#Post#: 3668--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 3, 2019, 7:04 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
- As a man thinketh -
Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought I
was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as
depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe,
and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images
like we see in science fiction movies.
I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up
there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life
they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My
Favorite Martian".
Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and
that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from
Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as
Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.
I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through
"blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church
thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening
to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the
mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by
winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.
Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my life
of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted (or
more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end,
EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and
didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all
sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian,
Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on
before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become
"one with the universe"!?
Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most
part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family
listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up
to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian
Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and
even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting
with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents
etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have
been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no
better way to describe this than what today our Military
Government calls science, and what Religions call God.
Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?
Thank you.
#Post#: 3672--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 3, 2019, 11:22 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> - As a man thinketh -
>
> Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought
I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as
depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe,
and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images
like we see in science fiction movies.
> I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up
there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life
they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My
Favorite Martian".
>
> Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and
that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from
Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as
Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.
>
> I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through
"blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church
thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening
to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the
mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by
winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.
>
> Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my
life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted
(or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end,
EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and
didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all
sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian,
Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on
before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become
"one with the universe"!?
>
> Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most
part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family
listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up
to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian
Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and
even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting
with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents
etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have
been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no
better way to describe this than what today our Military
Government calls science, and what Religions call God.
>
> Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?
>
> Thank you.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]you said: "that for the last 1,700, we have
been trained" is not exactly right.
Up until the late 1800 and early 1900's the flat earth was real.
Until the late 1940 and 1950's did the Military, and NASA (1952)
change this. At this time, the schools began teaching the Globe
to all children. The Churches did not have much choice but to
get on board the 'Globed earth train' after the science came out
in support of the GLOBE. It was either go along with it or be
labeled a crazy and have no church.
So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had
rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives
for GOD.
Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are
labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for
there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of
the 21st century.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3699--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 5, 2019, 4:01 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3668#msg3668
date=1549242277]
> - As a man thinketh -
>
> Just a few years ago I, along with billions of people thought
I was up there where the stars are, on a spinning globe as
depicted by our science teachers by a paper or plastic globe,
and as shown in Disney cartoons and NASA Computer graphic images
like we see in science fiction movies.
> I believed that NASA were actually exploring other planets up
there where the stars are, and was anxious what kind of life
they will find on Mars. I was hoping to one day see; "My
Favorite Martian".
>
> Oh yeah, and that Jesus and his Apostles were Christians, and
that the Roman Catholic Christian Church was a take off from
Apostle Peter, and that over time it just became corrupt as
Satan took more and more hold of Christs Church.
>
> I accepted all this (and a lot more fantastic stories) through
"blind faith" which is what I, and everyone in my old Church
thought was how we are to come to Christ, and through listening
to Christian Preachers, Teachers, Elders for they were the
mouthpiece of God,and that upon my death I will be escorted by
winged Angels into Heaven and be with the Lord forever more.
>
> Oh yeah, and having gone to many, many, many funerals in my
life of Christians, Atheists, Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, I accepted
(or more like never bothered to think about it) that at the end,
EVERYONE goes to Heaven, even those who I knew were atheist and
didn't believe in God, or His son Jesus Christ. They were all
sent off to Heaven to be with all their atheist, Christian,
Muslim, Mormon, Mafioso (whatever) loved ones who have passed on
before. I have never, ever heard of anyone sent off to become
"one with the universe"!?
>
> Adrian Rogers sermons were beautiful, Biblical (for the most
part) and really touched my heart every time me and my family
listened to him, just like Billy Graham, but now that I woke up
to mind boggling conspiracies, I realized that my Christian
Religion was the culprit in training me through doctrines, and
even MK-ultra to accept everything that TPTB told us, starting
with our Teachers, Ministers, Government officials, Presidents
etc. What I'm saying is that for the last 1,700 years we have
been trained to accept an alternate reality, and there is no
better way to describe this than what today our Military
Government calls science, and what Religions call God.
>
> Any opinions, comments, suggestions or questions?
>
> Thank you.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]you said: "that for the last 1,700, we have
been trained" is not exactly right.
Up until the late 1800 and early 1900's the flat earth was real.
Until the late 1940 and 1950's did the Military, and NASA (1952)
change this. At this time, the schools began teaching the Globe
to all children. The Churches did not have much choice but to
get on board the 'Globed earth train' after the science came out
in support of the GLOBE. It was either go along with it or be
labeled a crazy and have no church.[/quote]
Again I thank you for your reply my friend
Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:
The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by Martin
Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg Glockendon.
Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and merchant. Working
in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the "Nürnberg
Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.
Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing
Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by
Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁)
1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360
degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in
ancient China).
--- Quote from: Bladerunner ---
> So don't blame them (Churches) too hard as most of them had
rather have a congregation and the ability to save some lives
for GOD.
--- End Quote ---
You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical
lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead
for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with
Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious
system.
As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome,
and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the
UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not,
.. it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the
Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity
included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other
Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the
Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding
the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of
the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the
Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity
Doctrine!
Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?
Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in
China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt
in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese
--- Quote ---
> Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are
labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for
there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of
the 21st century.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain,
that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds
of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can
today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to
slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they
were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth
spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just
animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to
exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor,
giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more
sustainable life".
#Post#: 3700--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 5, 2019, 4:42 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner ---
>
> Again I thank you for your reply my friend
>
> Earliest actual globe used to identify the earth:
>
> The earliest extant terrestrial globe was made in 1492 by
Martin Behaim (1459–1537) with help from the painter Georg
Glockendon. Behaim was a German mapmaker, navigator, and
merchant. Working in Nuremberg, Germany, he called his globe the
"Nürnberg Terrestrial Globe." It is now known as the Erdapfel.
>
> Celestial globe was named 天體儀 in Qing
Dynasty. The one in Beijing Ancient Observatory was made by
Belgian missionary Ferdinand Verbiest (南懷仁)
1673 C.E. Unlike other Chinese celestial globes, it employs 360
degrees rather than the 365.24 degrees (which is a standard in
ancient China).
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner] So don't blame them (Churches) too
hard as most of them had rather have a congregation and the
ability to save some lives for GOD.
--- End Quote ---
You have that backwards brother, .. we "give up our physical
lives" for God, not try to save it at any cost. God is not dead
for real, He can save a small remnant for himself even with
Lucifer/Satan running the world by it's own made up Religious
system.
As you can see, it all points to Rome and The Church of Rome,
and the Germans.
I mean just look who runs NASA.gov space, also the U.S., .. the
UN, .. the World, .. tells us what is science and what is not,
.. it's the Germans.
And who runs the Germans? The Church of Rome, specifically the
Jesuits.
The Pope runs and governs the Catholic side of Christianity
included ar (atheism, Islam, Luciferianism, and all the other
Religions) , and the Germans starting with Luther runs the
Protestant side, and they control the main philosophy regarding
the Bible, the main idea, which is; how to interpret the God of
the Bible and it's the same on both sides; the Catholic and the
Protestant, and it is interpreted through Christian Trinity
Doctrine!
Who put the first globes into Chine Ming, Qing dynasty?
Ferdinand Verbiest
- Father Ferdinand Verbiest was a Flemish Jesuit missionary in
China during the Qing dynasty. He was born in Pittem near Tielt
in the County of Flanders. He is known as Nan Huairen in Chinese
--- Quote ---
> Anyone of us who have decide to follow the WORD of GOD, are
labeled as crazy, idiots, etc. our Plight is catching on, for
there are more of us today than there were at the beginning of
the 21st century.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, that's the "idea" that 'The Church' want's to maintain,
that Christianity is crazy, and they even pretended for hundreds
of years that they were opposed to the "globe idea", yet we can
today see it was always the opposite. The plan was always to
slowly change peoples understanding of God, and His creation.
By killing God, and putting His son Word back on the cross, they
were able to pass of a New Heaven; space, and a New Globe-earth
spinning uncontrollably through it. Man, well we are just
animals, evolving apes, not so distant cousins of rats. So to
exterminate us, "They (that live)" consider it doing us a favor,
giving the rest of us rats a little better life, .. a "more
sustainable life".
[/quote]Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined
in much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some
things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country
and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of
them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein.
The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley
and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
#Post#: 3724--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 6, 2019, 12:58 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in
much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some
things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country
and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of
them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein.
The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley
and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
>
--- End Quote ---
Glad to be here Brother.
You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses
to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate
views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree
on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C.
Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding
of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers
(before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just
like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who
mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see
that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of
“the Way”!
Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole
year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great
numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at
Antioch.
Yet later in Acts 19 he says;
Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion
about “the Way”.
Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the
disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them
Christian instead of "the Way"?
Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest
me to be a Christian.
I can almost hear the laughter in the court!
And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become
to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the
Way”:
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not
be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but
please consider the context this is in? First, why would the
author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for
the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?
Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following
Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer
physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on
my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers,
those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that
it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear,
but mocking also.
Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a
Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do
we need not to associate ourselves with that name?
The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of
any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that
name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the
R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would
never associate with such Religion.
Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't
agree with?
Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit
because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That
would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all
opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they
have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators
even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but
just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
#Post#: 3728--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 6, 2019, 1:37 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=317.msg3700#msg3700
date=1549406531]
> Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in
much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some
things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country
and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of
them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein.
The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley
and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
>
--- End Quote ---
Glad to be here Brother.
You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses
to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate
views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree
on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C.
Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding
of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers
(before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just
like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who
mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see
that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of
“the Way”!
Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole
year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great
numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at
Antioch.
Yet later in Acts 19 he says;
Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion
about “the Way”.
Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the
disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them
Christian instead of "the Way"?
Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest
me to be a Christian.
I can almost hear the laughter in the court!
And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become
to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the
Way”:
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not
be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but
please consider the context this is in? First, why would the
author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for
the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?
Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following
Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer
physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on
my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers,
those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that
it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear,
but mocking also.
Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a
Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do
we need not to associate ourselves with that name?
The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of
any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that
name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the
R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would
never associate with such Religion.
Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't
agree with?
Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit
because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That
would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all
opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they
have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators
even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but
just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
[/quote]Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate,
requiring much study. It is not written chronologically
necessarily and in some chapters they seem out of order. I can
agree with your reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the
Way" - The fact is however, that we will never get folks to stop
using that word or name to identify with. I admit it would be
hard for me to refer to myself as something other than Christian
in a theological context. I see nothing wrong with calling
yourself a follower of the way and it will get people to think.
There are way too many denominations and doctrines under the
"Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew nothing but Christ
Crucified. I can certainly accept that they were first called
Christians as a mockery. Originally a negative connotation that
stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree about the trinity
still but I'm also not 100% convinced about certain details. I
cannot deny the clear words of John chapter 1. Plus the numerous
other references to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I can
promise that you will never get banned either here or at TF.
#Post#: 3784--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 10, 2019, 3:07 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=317.msg3724#msg3724
date=1549479513]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=317.msg3700#msg3700
date=1549406531]
> Thank you again Arius for posting here. I haven't joined in
much yet but I really enjoy your posts and we agree on some
things. Yes, the Jesuits placed "Astronomers in EVERY country
and territory. They control ALL the early telescopes and most of
them still today. A Jesuit invented the Big Bang for Einstein.
The Germans helped launch NASA along with Parsons and Crowley
and other Lucifer worshiping occultists.
>
--- End Quote ---
Glad to be here Brother.
You said: ".. and we agree on some things."
This is why I started this O.P. to hopefully get some responses
to my way of thinking, and if I'm off, to receive some alternate
views with evidence. I want to hear more on what we don't agree
on then on what we do!
I know we agree on the globe conspiracy created by the R.C.
Christians (aka Jesuits), what do you think of my understanding
of the word "Christian"? Do you think the early Believers
(before Constantine) called themselves Christian? Or is it just
like the Bible says in Acts 11:26 that it was the Gentiles who
mock-called the Believers “Christian”, but in the Bible we see
that they never referred to themselves as Christians, but of
“the Way”!
Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole
year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great
numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at
Antioch.
Yet later in Acts 19 he says;
Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion
about “the Way”.
Why wouldn't the author of Acts who in chapter 11 mentions the
disciples being called "Christian" later in Acts 19:3 call them
Christian instead of "the Way"?
Here we see King Agrippa mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest
me to be a Christian.
I can almost hear the laughter in the court!
And here we see how insulting and annoying it started to become
to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the
Way”:
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not
be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Now I understand that we will suffer for following Christ, but
please consider the context this is in? First, why would the
author say the word Christian instead of "If anyone suffer for
the sake of Christ" let him not be ashamed?
Because no disciple of Christ would ever consider following
Jesus a "shame", none. Instead, they rejoiced to eve suffer
physical punishment for his name sake.
But, like if people keep calling me a Flattard, it does get on
my nerves, and becomes annoying knowing what we know, .. right?
Well the same we see here, the author is reminding Believers,
those who referred to themselves as followers of "the Way" that
it's not just physical suffering and want that we have to bear,
but mocking also.
Now there Is a Group that took that name "Christian", and made a
Religion out of it, and we know its history. What more proof do
we need not to associate ourselves with that name?
The early disciples never used that name, there is no mention of
any Apostles refer to themselves or other "churches" by that
name, and knowing the dark and blood drenched history of the
R.C. Christians, should be enough to know that Christ would
never associate with such Religion.
Or is it my stand against the Trinity doctrine that you don't
agree with?
Whenever you have time Brother?
Remember, no matter how much we may disagree, I would never quit
because of disagreement, nor would I "agree to disagree". That
would not be my Lords will. We have to stand against all
opposing thoughts, beliefs and Religions.
It is the Christian Forums that ban me, and that is because they
have to defend their Religion, not the truth, and the Moderators
even admit that it is not that what I say is not Biblical, but
just that it goes against "Christian Doctrine".
[/quote]
Well the Book of Acts is very detailed and intricate, requiring
much study. It is not written chronologically necessarily and in
some chapters they seem out of order. I can agree with your
reading of "Christians" and "Followers of the Way" - The fact is
however, that we will never get folks to stop using that word or
name to identify with. I admit it would be hard for me to refer
to myself as something other than Christian in a theological
context. I see nothing wrong with calling yourself a follower of
the way and it will get people to think. [/quote]
Ah, thank you Mr. Patrick, I actually found an intellectually
superior Moderator, I hope and pray others follow in your
footsteps.
In the beginning, I really thought I was sinning when I
suggested for Believers to get out of Christianity. I prayed
about it for months, I double checked myself, I listened to
suggestions, to Warnings, but not one pushed me away from my
initial understanding that the name "Christian", and what it
stands for is bad.
Not only did any suggestion against me "blaspheming" (yes, I was
even told I was blaspheming) Christians, instead each added more
evidence reassuring me that I was doing the right thing.
Actually, it is almost exactly how I came to realize that the
earth was not some globe spinning and wobbling up there amongst
the stars.
There too, I read the Bible and it says: God created the Heaven
and the Earth. It is much later He put the star up there.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say; "God then took the earth and
made it into a ball, a globe, and made it orbit the sun along
with other earths, or planets held there by gravity. I mean
think about it, starting with gravity, to a thousand things that
are involved in keeping the globe in this imaginary space, yet
Not One is mentioned in creation!?
No quasars, no black holes, no supernovas, as if God wasn't even
at His creation. No wonder that this Big Bang theory alienates
God from His creation, and why pseudoscience makes Gods creation
for the simpleminded. Here is Gods creation:
Genesis 1:1 God created the Heaven and the earth"
And here is the Big Bang Theory:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Or,
"How to remake a Big-Bang":
HTML https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html
Now how would anything in the Bible fit in with all the physics
and mathematics that go into creating the Big-Bang, right?
Well same with the word "Christian, and Christianity" where God
is just way too simple when interpreted from a non-trinitarian
Early Disciples perspective, them simple sheepherders and
fisherman, simply: "God is Infinite, God is One, and there is no
other gods beside Him".
Trinity: Oh, but God is not really One, but is far more complex
than that. God is really made up of three individuals with free
will, in which any one of them could die. But to understand this
is a mystery, no human mind could really comprehend God (noticed
that any time anyone tries to understand, or question the
Trinity-doctrine, they are right away told that they are
questioning and trying to understand God, .. and not the
Trinity.
Just like in the Globe-earth, the same with associating
ourselves with Cristian and Christian doctrine, when we learn
the truth, it will not only become obvious it is not the truth,
and not Biblical, but you will see how detrimental it can be to
our faith in and walk with Christ.
I mean the word Christ may be in there, but just as with "Flat
earth" and "Globe-earth", just because the word "earth" is in
both, you have to admit that they don't mean the same.
Just as gravity is part of Globe-earth, the Trinity-gods are
part of Christianity.
Remember that other Christian Debating Site we were on? Why was
I banned like three or four times? Was it because I mocked God,
or said some derogatory things against the validity of the
Bible? Of course not, there are atheists there that say all
kinds of things against God, against Jesus and against the
Bible. As long as they don't go against Christianity and it's
Trinity Doctrine, .. they are tolerated even protected, ..
right?
--- Quote ---
> Patrick Jane said: There are way too many denominations and
doctrines under the "Christian" Umbrella. Paul said that he knew
nothing but Christ Crucified. I can certainly accept that they
were first called Christians as a mockery. Originally a
negative connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to
disagree about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced
about certain details.
--- End Quote ---
Yes true; "There are way too many denominations and doctrines
under the "Christian" Umbrella", .. but not under Christs
Church. A Baptist Christian will not attend a Catholic Christian
Church, or a JW, or a Mormon, or a Presbyterian, or any other
denomination. Do you think the disciples in the Church of Rome
would not visit the disciples in the Church of Corinth, or
Philadelphia?
OK brother, let me ask you this: "Are you sure we don't live on
a spinning, and wobbling Globe-earth that's up there amongst the
stars in space, held in orbit around the sun that we see every
day going over our heads, by gravity, .. that God just forgot to
mention in all the thousands of letters he had his Prophets, His
son Word preach and teach which his Apostles documenting it
all"?
Does it say: "God created the Heaven, the stars, and earth
amongst the stars?" Because that's what these pseudoscientists
are telling us, including the Christian Pope. Well this really
took off when Rome took on the Christian name, and reinterpreted
God through a Doctrine they made up.
Now let you and me just think about this for a minute brother; a
Gentile pagan gods worshiping nation like Rome was, and Rome Is,
.. created a very important doctrine to explain who God is. Not
just who He is, but "His very Nature"!?
Which for some reason God didn't reveal to one of His chosen
Prophets amongst His Chosen People (corrupt as they may be, even
Jesus admitted that) or to any of Christs Apostles, but to Rome
itself, certified by the gentile pagan gods worshipping Emperor
Constantine.
If that right there is not something extremely contradicting to
the Bible, then we might as well mock Jesus as Monty Python did
in their movies like: "The Life of Brian", and Christians can
even claim Jesus was actually a Roman, because Brother, the
trinity-gods sure fit in with all the Roman gods, don't they?
You know, "sun-god, Christmas on December 25, baby Thammuz as
Jesus, then that Christian Easter celebration etc. how can we
even blame people confusing the Christian gods with the pagan
gods of old?
We CAN'T because they are the same ones.
- Continued -
#Post#: 3789--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 10, 2019, 4:28 am
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--- Quote ---
> Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were first
called Christians as a mockery. Originally a negative
connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree
about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about
certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter
1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and
Holy Ghost.
--- End Quote ---
All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as
"son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.
Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God
was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit
of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if
Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God,
for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus,
.. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so
in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of
Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the
same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are
all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.
Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the
ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to;
"God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?
Well the same goes with Gods son Word;
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,
It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is
Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is
borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning
nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all
creation.
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and
God was God" totally senseless and wrong.
The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam.
Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything
and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God
created/beget His son Word and created all things through him.
But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon,
or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will,
not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself
to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved
his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were
and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself
at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel,
or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God
chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things
were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with
God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing
was made that has been made"
.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We
have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came
from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God
became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even
died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian
Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the
Bible saying Jesus is God.
Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron
and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh,
not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused,
or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make
Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds
and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).
--- Quote ---
> Patrick Jane said: I can promise that you will never get
banned either here or at TF.
--- End Quote ---
Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ
that I will not make you break that promise!
#Post#: 3790--------------------------------------------------
Re: As A Man Thinketh...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 10, 2019, 4:55 am
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--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote]Patrick Jane said:I can certainly accept that they were
first called Christians as a mockery. Originally a negative
connotation that stuck with us perhaps. I do tend to disagree
about the trinity still but I'm also not 100% convinced about
certain details. I cannot deny the clear words of John chapter
1. Plus the numerous other references to the Father, Son and
Holy Ghost.
--- End Quote ---
All references to the son Word and to the Holy Ghost are made as
"son Word aka Jesus Christ, and Holy Ghost", never as God.
Let's go further, we are all to represent ourselves as if God
was in us also, our bodies as the Temple of God, for the Spirit
of God lives in us, and it is written that we are to walk as if
Christ was in us too, so ight there we could claim to be God,
for the three is in us, the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus,
.. and since all things are IN God, All hings Are from God, so
in reality, all things ARE God since nothing exists outside of
Infinite/God. But we don't say a tree is God, right? Well the
same with Gods Holy Spirit or His son Word, even though they are
all of God, including the Fiery Angel that appeared to Moses.
Who did Moses fall before, was he worshipping the dust of the
ground, or a Fiery Angel, or was Moses worshipping God?
If the Fiery Angel was God (that is exactly who Moses talked to;
"God") then why is He not included in the Trinity? Why?
Well the same goes with Gods son Word;
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,
It does not say: "In the beginning was God" because God is
Infinite, actually Infinite/Eternal Is God and Infinite is
borderless, and Eternal is outside of time, thus no beginning
nor end. But the son Is the Beginning and the End of all
creation.
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Trinity interpretation would be: "and God was with God, and
God was God" totally senseless and wrong.
The Word, that is Gods son Word Was God, just as Eve was Adam.
Just as I said a tree was God, Heaven earth was God, everything
and everyone was God "before the beginning", or before God
created/beget His son Word and created all things through him.
But this doesn't mean we worship trees, or the sun or the moon,
or even the son Word as God, but as Lord.
And when we worship the son, we worship God, it is Gods will,
not the sons to have it this way.
Why?
Because Gods son Word became flesh, so God could reveal Himself
to us since the son Word was worthy in heaven, and now he proved
his worth on earth being tempted in all things just as we were
and remained righteous to His Father making God remain in him.
Why couldn't God just reveal Himself to us?
Because God is invisible, and no one has really seen God himself
at any time, only the son reveals Him. Just as the Fiery Angel,
or thunder, or whatever and whomever, even dust like us God
chooses to reveal Himself through, reveals God.
2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things
were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Was God with God in the beginning? No, .. the son Word was with
God in the beginning, .. because?
Because: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing
was made that has been made"
.. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We
have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came
from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Again ask ourselves: "who became flesh?" does it say: "God
became flesh"?
No.
But the Trinity Doctrine Does Say God became flesh and even
died. This is blasphemy, yet it is an accepted Christian
Doctrine, right?
Is it Biblical? No, because you will never find anywhere in the
Bible saying Jesus is God.
Now even Moses was like God unto Pharaoh, to his brother Aaron
and to the Children of Israel, yet none of them, not Pharaoh,
not the Egyptians, not the children of Israel, no one confused,
or worshipped Moses as God. But here is the Romans, they make
Jesus into God, just so they could have God killed (in the minds
and hearts of their sheep the; Christians).
--- Quote ---
> Patrick Jane said: I can promise that you will never get
banned either here or at TF.
--- End Quote ---
Ah, thank you Brother, .. and I pray to God through Jesus Christ
that I will not make you break that promise!
[/quote]I can see your line of thinking but consider this. God
SPOKE everything into existence so in the beginning was the Word
with a capital W = Jesus Christ is the Word. So right there you
have God and Christ together in the beginning. The Holy Spirit
is God's Spirit and God CONSISTS of all three. We are IN Christ
and Christ in us, the hope of glory, which was a mystery among
other mysteries, some secret since the world began, others
revealed to the prophets.
The Word is God and the Word is Christ. As God said in the
beginning, "Let us, Let US make man in our image" - God's voice
and His Word created all things. Read some of Job concerning God
and creation and scriptures about God's voice and God speaking.
In real life the father gives way to the son who becomes equal
to or even greater than the father. Nothing is greater than the
Father, as we know yet Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are equal
parts of God. To me, that's the only way the Bible makes sense.
Now, at the same time, going back to childhood I have always
thought in my mind somehow that God is great than Jesus and the
HS. I can't force my mind to think that God is not the greatest.
Therefore, I do not condemn those who go against the trinity
doctrine because I don't think God will send people to hell if
the get the trinity wrong. They can't both be right.
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