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Erasmus - The praise of folly
By: Firestarter Date: January 30, 2019, 11:24 am
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There aren’t many Dutch books worth reading. Erasmus’ “The
praise of folly” is one of the better philosophy books I´ve
read. It’s a first person account of the much underestimated god
“folly”...
Errasmus uses this construction to sarcastically ridicule human
vanity, stupidity and selfishness (including hypocrisy).
The book got controversial and popular because Erasmus exposed
the greed and corruption of the Christian clergymen. Erasmus was
understandably expelled from his position as a priest.
Erasmus explains in his introduction that “moria” is really
another name for “folly”.
Coincidentally “Moriah” is the land where Abraham went to
sacrifice his beloved son Isaac to “God”; he only stops at the
last moment when an angel tells him to “lay not thine hand upon
the lad” (Genesis 22:1-13).
The following excerpts are relevant in the context of
“hypocrisy”.
[quote]Be it as foolish as they would make it, so they confess
it proper: and what can be more than that Folly be her own
trumpet? For who can set me out better than myself, unless
perhaps I could be better known to another than to myself?
Though yet I think it somewhat more modest than the general
practice of our nobles and wise men who, throwing away all
shame, hire some flattering orator or lying poet from whose
mouth they may hear their praises, that is to say, mere lies;
and yet, composing themselves with a seeming modesty, spread out
their peacock's plumes and erect their crests, while this
impudent flatterer equals a man of nothing to the gods and
proposes him as an absolute pattern of all virtue that's wholly
a stranger to it, sets out a pitiful jay in other's feathers,
washes the blackamoor white, and lastly swells a gnat to an
elephant. In short, I will follow that old proverb that says,
"He may lawfully praise himself that lives far from neighbors."
Though, by the way, I cannot but wonder at the ingratitude,
shall I say, or negligence of men who, notwithstanding they
honor me in the first place and are willing enough to confess my
bounty, yet not one of them for these so many ages has there
been who in some thankful oration has set out the praises of
Folly; when yet there has not wanted them whose elaborate
endeavors have extolled tyrants, agues, flies, baldness, and
such other pests of nature, to their own loss of both time and
sleep.
(...)
For even the Stoics themselves that so severely cried down
pleasure did but handsomely dissemble, and railed against it to
the common people to no other end but that having discouraged
them from it, they might the more plentifully enjoy it
themselves. But tell me, by Jupiter, what part of man's life is
that that is not sad, crabbed, unpleasant, insipid, troublesome,
unless it be seasoned with pleasure, that is to say, folly? For
the proof of which the never sufficiently praised Sophocles in
that his happy elegy of us, "To know nothing is the only
happiness," might be authority enough, but that I intend to take
every particular by itself.
(...)
And first 'tis agreed of all hands that our passions belong to
Folly; inasmuch as we judge a wise man from a fool by this, that
the one is ordered by them, the other by reason; and therefore
the Stoics remove from a wise man all disturbances of mind as so
many diseases. But these passions do not only the office of a
tutor to such as are making towards the port of wisdom, but are
in every exercise of virtue as it were spurs and incentives, nay
and encouragers to well doing: which though that great Stoic
Seneca most strongly denies, and takes from a wise man all
affections whatever, yet in doing that he leaves him not so much
as a man but rather a new kind of god that was never yet nor
ever like to be. Nay, to speak plainer, he sets up a stony
semblance of a man, void of all sense and common feeling of
humanity. And much good to them with this wise man of theirs;
let them enjoy him to themselves, love him without competitors,
and live with him in Plato's commonwealth, the country of ideas,
or Tantalus' orchards. For who would not shun and startle at
such a man, as at some unnatural accident or spirit? A man dead
to all sense of nature and common affections, and no more moved
with love or pity than if he were a flint or rock; whose censure
nothing escapes; that commits no errors himself, but has a
lynx's eyes upon others; measures everything by an exact line,
and forgives nothing; pleases himself with himself only; the
only rich, the only wise, the only free man, and only king; in
brief, the only man that is everything, but in his own single
judgment only; that cares not for the friendship of any man,
being himself a friend to no man; makes no doubt to make the
gods stoop to him, and condemns and laughs at the whole actions
of our life?
(...)
Nor are princes by themselves in their manner of life, since
popes, cardinals, and bishops have so diligently followed their
steps that they've almost got the start of them. For if any of
them would consider what their Albe should put them in mind of,
to wit a blameless life; what is meant by their forked miters,
whose each point is held in by the same knot, we'll suppose it a
perfect knowledge of the Old and New Testaments; what those
gloves on their hands, but a sincere administration of the
Sacraments, and free from all touch of worldly business; what
their crosier, but a careful looking after the flock committed
to their charge; what the cross born before them, but victory
over all earthly affections—these, I say, and many of the like
kind should anyone truly consider, would he not live a sad and
troublesome life? Whereas now they do well enough while they
feed themselves only, and for the care of their flock either put
it over to Christ or lay it all on their suffragans, as they
call them, or some poor vicars. Nor do they so much as remember
their name, or what the word bishop signifies, to wit, labor,
care, and trouble. But in racking to gather money they truly act
the part of bishops, and herein acquit themselves to be no blind
seers.
In like manner cardinals, if they thought themselves the
successors of the apostles, they would likewise imagine that the
same things the other did are required of them, and that they
are not lords but dispensers of spiritual things of which they
must shortly give an exact account. But if they also would a
little philosophize on their habit and think with themselves
what's the meaning of their linen rochet, is it not a remarkable
and singular integrity of life? What that inner purple; is it
not an earnest and fervent love of God? Or what that outward,
whose loose plaits and long train fall round his Reverence's
mule and are large enough to cover a camel; is it not charity
that spreads itself so wide to the succor of all men? that is,
to instruct, exhort, comfort, reprehend, admonish, compose wars,
resist wicked princes, and willingly expend not only their
wealth but their very lives for the flock of Christ: though yet
what need at all of wealth to them that supply the room of the
poor apostles? These things, I say, did they but duly consider,
they would not be so ambitious of that dignity; or, if they
were, they would willingly leave it and live a laborious,
careful life, such as was that of the ancient apostles.[/quote]
Desiderius Erasmus - “[I]The praise of folly[/I]” (1511):
HTML http://www.gutenberg.org/files/9371/9371-h/9371-h.htm
#Post#: 3569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: guest17 Date: January 30, 2019, 3:43 pm
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[quote author=Firestarter link=topic=308.msg3561#msg3561
date=1548863447]
I certainly don´t take aim at "Christians" specifically.
I´ve earlier tried to explain this in reply to a post by Patrick
Jane:
It is an important form of HYPOCRISY that "we" - whatever type
we like to call ourselves: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist,
etc. - seem to prefer to look the other way, while the lucky few
orchestrate genocide and slavery.
We - the cowards - simply look the other way, hoping that we can
get ahead in our career, often drinking alcohohol or using drugs
to quiet our conscience.[/quote]
I think there are more and more people including Christians who
are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the
world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And
by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware.
Because many people aren't aware.
People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind
control is being used on different levels on everybody through
so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even
commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities,
politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being
used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds
of technology being used against people.
[Quote]All organised religions (including "science") aim for
mind control. There is no such thing as a "good church".
There are certainly good Christian "preachers" but anybody
working for the church, who doesn´t speak out against the abuses
of the organisation they work for is - per definition - a
hypocrite.Every single Christian church I´ve visited was
decorated with lots of “golden calves”.[/Quote]
There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes
for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there
is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies.
Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so
that is helpful for them.
[Quote]About the false preachers in your churches, see the
following quote from the New Testament:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall
be according to their works.[/quote]
Yes, the scriptures warn us about that.
#Post#: 3582--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: Firestarter Date: January 31, 2019, 11:46 am
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
I think there are more and more people including Christians who
are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the
world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And
by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware.
Because many people aren't aware.[/quote] I see a lot of claims
that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more
and more distracted.
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind
control is being used on different levels on everybody through
so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even
commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities,
politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being
used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds
of technology being used against people.[/quote] The technology
is a relatively "new" thing, growing up there was only the TV,
now there is computer technology, internet, and mobile phones.
This has created a state of information overload where Big
Brother knows (almost) everything...
And voice-2-skull technology!
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes
for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there
is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies.
Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so
that is helpful for them.[/quote]
I think that people arranging "study", especially if it replaces
sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group outside the
church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies
in anybody's life.
#Post#: 3588--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: guest17 Date: January 31, 2019, 12:43 pm
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[quote author=Firestarter link=topic=308.msg3582#msg3582
date=1548956764]
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
I think there are more and more people including Christians who
are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the
world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And
by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware.
Because many people aren't aware.[/quote] I see a lot of claims
that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more
and more distracted.[/Quote]
Well, I see more and more people waking up. Of course there are
still people who are distracted. I mean many people work a full
time job or more than one job and trying to survive and so when
they get home from work, they want to relax and not be worrying
about evil and corruption in the world. They might watch the
news but the news isn't going to be giving them the truth about
what's really happening. The news presented that way only adds
to the distraction. Many people settle for that kind of news
while other people question what they're told and do research.
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind
control is being used on different levels on everybody through
so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even
commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities,
politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being
used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds
of technology being used against people.[/quote]
[Quote]The technology is a relatively "new" thing, growing up
there was only the TV, now there is computer technology,
internet, and mobile phones. This has created a state of
information overload where Big Brother knows (almost)
everything...
And voice-2-skull technology![/Quote]
The technology I was referring to being used against people
isn't all new technology. even V2K is not new technology. It's
that we're just now being made aware of it but it's been around
for at least 50 years along with other technology.
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes
for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there
is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies.
Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so
that is helpful for them.[/quote]
[Quote]I think that people arranging "study", especially if it
replaces sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group
outside the church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies
in anybody's life.
[/quote]
I think it's a good thing too. I personally feel more safe with
this kind of worship and study outside of a church building.
That doesn't mean that I'm saying that people shouldn't go to a
church. I hope it's not interpreted that way.
#Post#: 4138--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: guest8 Date: February 25, 2019, 7:17 pm
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3588#msg3588
date=1548960226]
[quote author=Firestarter link=topic=308.msg3582#msg3582
date=1548956764]
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
I think there are more and more people including Christians who
are waking up and recognizing the evil and corruption in the
world and are speaking out about it and not supporting it. And
by speaking out about it, other people are made more aware.
Because many people aren't aware.[/quote] I see a lot of claims
that people are waking up, but I only see people that are more
and more distracted.[/Quote]
Well, I see more and more people waking up. Of course there are
still people who are distracted. I mean many people work a full
time job or more than one job and trying to survive and so when
they get home from work, they want to relax and not be worrying
about evil and corruption in the world. They might watch the
news but the news isn't going to be giving them the truth about
what's really happening. The news presented that way only adds
to the distraction. Many people settle for that kind of news
while other people question what they're told and do research.
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
People are kept distracted in different ways by design. Mind
control is being used on different levels on everybody through
so many ways; tv programs, movies, music, the news, even
commercials, cartoons, the education system, universities,
politics, symbols and images, and yes, mind control is being
used on people in many churches. There is also different kinds
of technology being used against people.[/quote]
[Quote]The technology is a relatively "new" thing, growing up
there was only the TV, now there is computer technology,
internet, and mobile phones. This has created a state of
information overload where Big Brother knows (almost)
everything...
And voice-2-skull technology![/Quote]
The technology I was referring to being used against people
isn't all new technology. even V2K is not new technology. It's
that we're just now being made aware of it but it's been around
for at least 50 years along with other technology.
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg3569#msg3569
date=1548884607]
There are many Christians who are increasingly meeting in homes
for bible studies, worship and prayer. Here where I live, there
is a large room downstairs where people have bible studies.
Because so many people here are elderly and/or disabled and so
that is helpful for them.[/quote]
[Quote]I think that people arranging "study", especially if it
replaces sitting for the TV as a couch potatoe, as a group
outside the church is a good thing.
I really doubt that it's good to have "worshipping" ceremonies
in anybody's life.
[/quote]
I think it's a good thing too. I personally feel more safe with
this kind of worship and study outside of a church building.
That doesn't mean that I'm saying that people shouldn't go to a
church. I hope it's not interpreted that way.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]The problem is , WHAT are they WAKING-UP
too????
with a large percentage of the Churches in apostasy, it will be
difficult to find the right path. Look at this and TF forum, How
many different versions of Salvation are there.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Hypocrisy
By: guest17 Date: February 26, 2019, 6:56 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=308.msg4138#msg4138
date=1551143847]
The problem is , WHAT are they WAKING-UP too????
with a large percentage of the Churches in apostasy, it will be
difficult to find the right path. Look at this and TF forum, How
many different versions of Salvation are there.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
In the context that I was referring to, waking up is not a
problem. The problem would be not waking up to what's really
happening. Every level of society has been infiltrated including
many churches. That's why there is apostasy. The problem is
recognizing the apostasy and who is causing it.
I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.
Deut. 4:9 But if from there you will seek the LORD your God, you
will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all
your soul.
Ps. 146:3 Do not trust a prince or upon a son of man, for there
is no salvation in his hand.
Prov. 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart; and lean not
unto your own understanding. 6in all your ways acknowledge Him,
and He will make your paths straight.…
#Post#: 4155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: Firestarter Date: February 26, 2019, 11:53 am
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg4147#msg4147
date=1551185804]In the context that I was referring to, waking
up is not a problem. The problem would be not waking up to
what's really happening. Every level of society has been
infiltrated including many churches. That's why there is
apostasy. The problem is recognizing the apostasy and who is
causing it.
I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.[/quote] I
believe that the right path is actually waking up...
The problem is that because of all the mind control techniques,
people aren't thinking and get caught up in a circle of
automatic responses. I sometimes see teenagers, who are always
in a hurry, because they might miss something on their mobile
phone!
"Christians" are so used to what's written in the Bible that
they aren't even able to think about what's being written
anymore and instead get caught up in the explanations of the
scribes.
Many Christians say the exact same prayer before and after every
meal, which becomes something automatic.
You might have heard Hare Krishnas chanting themselves to sleep,
while annoying the people around them.
The alternative to religions, like Christianity, in which
"believing" is the ultimate goal (what kind of believe could
move a mountain?) is the misconception of "enlightenment", which
becomes something like simply ignoring everything so that you
can fool yourself that you're some kind of God.
The elite actually see themselves as descendants of the Godhead,
which gives them the right to exploit us in any way they can.
Atheistic scientists get caught up by first being brainwashed
with some foolish ideas by the scientific scribes and wind up
going around in circles "investigating" the scientific theories
that are sold as the "truth".
My "solution" is some sort of personal "religion" where you
don't take for granted what others tell you but instead find out
for yourself.
In this way you will make foolish mistakes, but it will be YOUR
mistakes instead of the "policitical correctness" that others
fool us with. If you are able to learn from your mistakes (you
will make the same mistakes twice), in the end you should become
wiser than if you listen to those false preachers that have been
brainwashed themselves but play an important role in controlling
the masses...
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Bono hypocrite
By: Firestarter Date: February 26, 2019, 11:56 am
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I think that U2 made some great music in the 1980s, but this
doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of the HYPOCRITE Bono. Another
scumbag knighted by Queen Elizabeth, because he’s not British
he’s no “Sir” though but can place “KBE” after his name...
In January 2012, Bono arrived in Mali on a private jet with his
wife and daughters. Bono starred at a festival celebrating the
“famous” Tuareg tribe. Bono jumped on stage yelling: “We are
brothers here!” and “Music is stronger than war!”
The next morning, the Tuaregs took up arms against the regime.
Three months later, Al Qaeda usurped the Tuareg rebellion, to
rape women, chop off limbs and burn libraries with centuries-old
books, which was a little “overlooked” in the western press.
Bono was contacted 6 months after his visit to Mali, with the
question on why he kept quiet when he could make this
humanitarian disaster a front page story.
His spokesperson replied: “[I]Bono was on a private family
vacation and One doesn’t get involved in politics[/I]”:
HTML https://nypost.com/2017/11/11/the-hypocrisy-of-bono-and-his-one-charity/
#Post#: 4158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hypocrisy
By: guest17 Date: February 26, 2019, 2:28 pm
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[quote author=Firestarter link=topic=308.msg4155#msg4155
date=1551203582]
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=308.msg4147#msg4147
date=1551185804]In the context that I was referring to, waking
up is not a problem. The problem would be not waking up to
what's really happening. Every level of society has been
infiltrated including many churches. That's why there is
apostasy. The problem is recognizing the apostasy and who is
causing it.
I believe the right path is found in these scriptures.[/quote] I
believe that the right path is actually waking up...
The problem is that because of all the mind control techniques,
people aren't thinking and get caught up in a circle of
automatic responses. I sometimes see teenagers, who are always
in a hurry, because they might miss something on their mobile
phone!
"Christians" are so used to what's written in the Bible that
they aren't even able to think about what's being written
anymore and instead get caught up in the explanations of the
scribes.
Many Christians say the exact same prayer before and after every
meal, which becomes something automatic.
You might have heard Hare Krishnas chanting themselves to sleep,
while annoying the people around them.
The alternative to religions, like Christianity, in which
"believing" is the ultimate goal (what kind of believe could
move a mountain?) is the misconception of "enlightenment", which
becomes something like simply ignoring everything so that you
can fool yourself that you're some kind of God.
The elite actually see themselves as descendants of the Godhead,
which gives them the right to exploit us in any way they can.
Atheistic scientists get caught up by first being brainwashed
with some foolish ideas by the scientific scribes and wind up
going around in circles "investigating" the scientific theories
that are sold as the "truth".
My "solution" is some sort of personal "religion" where you
don't take for granted what others tell you but instead find out
for yourself.
In this way you will make foolish mistakes, but it will be YOUR
mistakes instead of the "policitical correctness" that others
fool us with. If you are able to learn from your mistakes (you
will make the same mistakes twice), in the end you should become
wiser than if you listen to those false preachers that have been
brainwashed themselves but play an important role in controlling
the masses...
[/quote]
I wouldn't be able to make it through the day, to survive,
without faith and trust in God. That's what keeps me going,
gives me hope, courage and strength. In fact, I wouldn't be
alive right now without it. I would have given up a long time
ago.
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Re: Hypocrisy
By: Theo102 Date: February 26, 2019, 10:27 pm
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Hypocrite
One who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not;
a dissembler in religion. Our Lord severely rebuked the scribes
and Pharisees for their hypocrisy (Mat 6:2, 5, 16)
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews;
to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might
gain them that are under the law;
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without
law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them
that are without law.
1 Corinthian 9:20-21
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and
the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and]
brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope
and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Acts 23:6
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