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#Post#: 5229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 27, 2019, 7:56 pm
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1Cor 7:25 . . Now about virgins: I have no command from The
Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by The Lord's mercy is
trustworthy.
The koiné Greek word for "virgins" is parthenos (par-then'-os)
which basically refers to maidens and/or unmarried daughters.
There's an ancient temple in Greece called the Parthenon; which
was at one time a sort of shrine to the goddess Athena (a.k.a.
Minerva). Apparently it was common for Athena's followers to
donate their young girls to her service.
I'm guessing that the Christians in ancient Corinth, influenced
by Greek and Roman culture, were curious whether they were
supposed to donate their young girls to Christ's service; viz:
make nuns of them; which of course would seal them into celibacy
and thus preclude the possibility of ever having a man and a
family of their own.
Paul's claim to be "trustworthy" is saying that he could be
relied upon to speak as Christ and for Christ on certain issues
without having to first inquire his mind about them.
That's a pretty advanced degree of inspiration when somebody is
110% confident that their thoughts on a matter are God's
thoughts.
Too many Christians are wishy-washy. They have an annoying habit
of pontificating their opinions as the God's truth; when in
reality they have neither the confidence nor the integrity to
stand up and announce themselves trustworthy, i.e. infallible;
the meanwhile quick to call others heretics for disagreeing with
them.
NOTE: Be circumspect with your choice of words lest the hapless
day arrives when you are forced to eat them. Never call someone
a heretic because it just may be that your own beliefs are
heretical without your knowing. It's okay to be positive, but
for God's sake don't be conceited: leave yourself some room for
error.
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#Post#: 5269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 29, 2019, 9:06 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> 1Cor 7:25 . . Now about virgins: I have no command from The
Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by The Lord's mercy is
trustworthy.
>
> The koiné Greek word for "virgins" is parthenos (par-then'-os)
which basically refers to maidens and/or unmarried daughters.
>
> There's an ancient temple in Greece called the Parthenon;
which was at one time a sort of shrine to the goddess Athena
(a.k.a. Minerva). Apparently it was common for Athena's
followers to donate their young girls to her service.
>
> I'm guessing that the Christians in ancient Corinth,
influenced by Greek and Roman culture, were curious whether they
were supposed to donate their young girls to Christ's service;
viz: make nuns of them; which of course would seal them into
celibacy and thus preclude the possibility of ever having a man
and a family of their own.
>
> Paul's claim to be "trustworthy" is saying that he could be
relied upon to speak as Christ and for Christ on certain issues
without having to first inquire his mind about them.
>
> That's a pretty advanced degree of inspiration when somebody
is 110% confident that their thoughts on a matter are God's
thoughts.
>
> Too many Christians are wishy-washy. They have an annoying
habit of pontificating their opinions as the God's truth; when
in reality they have neither the confidence nor the integrity to
stand up and announce themselves trustworthy, i.e. infallible;
the meanwhile quick to call others heretics for disagreeing with
them.
>
> NOTE: Be circumspect with your choice of words lest the
hapless day arrives when you are forced to eat them. Never call
someone a heretic because it just may be that your own beliefs
are heretical without your knowing. It's okay to be positive,
but for God's sake don't be conceited: leave yourself some room
for error.
> _
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]There you go promoting the Roman Catholic
Church again over true Chrisitianity.
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#Post#: 5278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 29, 2019, 9:44 pm
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1Cor 7:26-28 . . Because of the present crisis, I think that it
is good for you to remain as you are. Are you married? Do not
seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. But
if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries,
she has not sinned.
The "present crisis" probably relates to circumstances that make
it difficult and/or inadvisable to settle down and raise a
family, e.g. Jer 16:1-4 and Matt 24:19-22.
However marriage, overall, doesn't displease God; and best of
all, the Corinthian Christians didn't have to donate their
maidens to Christ as nuns; rather, the girls were perfectly at
liberty to settle down with a man.
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#Post#: 5300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 30, 2019, 7:28 pm
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1Cor 7:36 . . If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward
the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in
years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants.
He is not sinning. They should get married.
We have a saying in America that goes like this: So and so
married what's her name and made an honest woman out of her.
Well, most grown-ups know what that means without me having to
say so. The point is: if a Christian man finds himself on the
brink of exceeding the limits of propriety with his best girl;
it's time to either break up or tie the knot.
And then too there's the so-called biological clock that stalks
women during their productive years. It's cruel, unthinkable,
and utterly selfish and psychopathic of a man to keep a girl on
hold during those years if and when he's fully aware that she's
longing to settle down and have a family of her own. A man who
does that has no clue what the word "honor" means.
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#Post#: 5326--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: May 1, 2019, 10:28 pm
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1Cor 7:39 . . A woman is bound to her husband as long as he
lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she
wishes, but he must be in The Lord.
When people sound-bite a verse like that one out of context,
they run the risk of coming to some very false conclusions; and
one of those is that Christians can never, under any
circumstances, divorce and remarry while their spouses are
alive. Well, obviously they can, under certain circumstances
(e.g. Matt 5:32).
However, a Christian ex-wife has to be careful not to re-marry
outside her faith as that would be like jumping from the frying
pan into the fire. (cf. 2Cor 6:14-18)
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#Post#: 5359--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: May 2, 2019, 10:00 pm
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1Cor 8:4-13 . .We know that an idol is nothing at all in the
world and that there is no God but one. For even if there are
so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there
are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one
God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things
came and through whom we live.
. . . But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so
accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of
it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their
conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us
near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if
we do.
. . . Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom
does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if anyone
with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating
in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been
sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died,
is destroyed by your knowledge. When you sin against your
brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin
against Christ. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to
fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not
cause him to fall.
That passage can be said to be a codicil to the 14th chapter of
Romans.
Putting this into a modern context is pretty simple; e.g. here
in Oregon we have tavern-style restaurants; viz: a section of
the tavern is a bar, and another section is dedicated to dining.
The bar sections usually host State-sanctioned gambling machines
too and typically off-limits to minors.
Suppose you have Christian friends who sincerely feel it's wrong
to dine in a tavern-style restaurant because of the alcohol and
the gambling. Though you yourself might be comfortable in your
own mind that there is no sin in dining at taverns, your friends
are not so sure. So if you were to take them to a tavern, they
would be committing sin in compromising their conscience; and
you would be committing sin by knowingly leading them in a
situation that causes them to make that compromise.
"We may know that these things make no difference, but we cannot
just go ahead and do them to please ourselves. We must be
considerate of the doubts and fears of those who think these
things are wrong. We should please others. If we do what helps
them, we will build them up in The Lord." (Rom 15:1-2)
A pertinent example is Hooters; where the waitresses are cute
buxom girls filled out in all the right places clothed in short
shorts, and clingy tops; so that the situation is a double
whammy of babes and alcohol. Supposing your Christian buddy
sincerely feels it's wrong for Christians to dine at Hooters?
Then you would be wrong in taking him there for a burger even if
you were convinced in your own mind there is nothing wrong with
Hooters because you would be leading your Christian buddy into a
situation that's below him and causes him to feel guilty and/or
less of himself.
The Bible says that Christians should accommodate others to
their edification (edification means to build someone up as
opposed to tearing them down), Well, when we please ourselves to
their detriment; that's being selfish. Some guys feel that cute
buxom girls and yummy gams are a God-send, while other guys
regard them as the Devil in disguise. The correct route here is
to accommodate the more sensitive conscience.
This is one of those situations that requires that each
individual to be convinced in their own mind whether Hooters is
wrong for themselves or okay for themselves (Rom 14:5) and God
forbid that Christians should criticize a fellow Christian who
frequents Hooters because this is indeed one of those gray
areas; and just who are you to legislate the rules for others in
gray areas (Rom 14:3-4). It's unfortunate that there are some
very imperious, domineering Christians out and about who see
nothing wrong with bullying others to compromise their
convictions just so long as they get their own way and everybody
conforms to their way of thinking.
For example: it is my own personal feelings that Luke 22:35-36
makes it okay for Christ's followers to own guns for self
defense. Well; a rather opinionated Christian in one of my
Sunday school classes sneered at me for feeling that way and
proceeded to pontificate that Jesus' instructions were only
"preparatory" for the upcoming confrontation with Judas and the
crowd that came with him that night to arrest Jesus. Okay;
that's fine with me if that's the way he feels about it; but
sneering at me for feeling my way about it was not only
thoughtless, but improper too.
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#Post#: 5369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: May 3, 2019, 6:20 pm
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1Cor 9:13-14 . . Don't you know that those who work in the
Temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at
the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same
way, The Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel
should receive their living from the gospel.
The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God in the Old
Testament doesn't allow Levitical priests to own land where they
can provide themselves sustenance by working their own farms.
It's God's decree that a number of the sacrifices and offerings
that the priesthood's constituents bring are dedicated to not
just sustaining a friendly association with God, but also to
nourishing the priests. (e.g. Ex 29:31-32, Lev 2:1-10, Lev
7:11-15)
Obviously then, 1Cor 9:13-14 is saying that Christian
congregations ought to pitch in and help provide their churches'
full-time officers with a decent standard of living. This is not
optional; no, it's something that "The Lord has commanded."
NOTE: I would say that Christians whose officers rarely, if
ever, preach the gospel are exempt.
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#Post#: 5378--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 3, 2019, 11:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> 1Cor 9:13-14 . . Don't you know that those who work in the
Temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at
the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same
way, The Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel
should receive their living from the gospel.
>
> The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God in the
Old Testament doesn't allow Levitical priests to own land where
they can provide themselves sustenance by working their own
farms. It's God's decree that a number of the sacrifices and
offerings that the priesthood's constituents bring are dedicated
to not just sustaining a friendly association with God, but also
to nourishing the priests. (e.g. Ex 29:31-32, Lev 2:1-10, Lev
7:11-15)
>
> Obviously then, 1Cor 9:13-14 is saying that Christian
congregations ought to pitch in and help provide their churches'
full-time officers with a decent standard of living. This is not
optional; no, it's something that "The Lord has commanded."
>
> NOTE: I would say that Christians whose officers rarely, if
ever, preach the gospel are exempt.
> _
>
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[shadow=blue,left]The Law of Moses did not allow the Levis
(priest) to go to war either. That is except for one where Jesus
was the commander.
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#Post#: 5395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: May 4, 2019, 10:00 pm
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1Cor 9:24-25 . . Do you not know that in a race all the runners
run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get
the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict
training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we
do it to get a crown that will last forever.
The prize that Olympians won back in those days wasn't much. No
medals: just a simple garland for the head consisting of a
wreath made with wild olive leaves from a sacred tree near the
temple of Zeus at Olympia. In time the leaves dried out and
crumbled.
The important thing to note about 1Cor 9:24-25 is that the prize
isn't a pass into the kingdom of God. No; the prize is an award
rather than a wage; and there is more than one kind; e.g. Phil
4:1, 1Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1Pet 5:4, Rev 14:14.
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#Post#: 5408--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: May 5, 2019, 9:00 pm
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1Cor 10:6-7 . . Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it
is written: The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to
play.
The Bible doesn't provide much detail at Ex 32:1-6 as to what
went on in camp while Moses was up on the mountain. But one
thing we know for sure is that there was a golden calf; and the
"eat and drink" to which the apostle refers was a ritual where
people sacrificed to the calf and afterwards consumed the
sacrifice as an act of communion with it; sort of like an old
fashioned Passover.
"to play" in Ex 32:6 is from the Hebrew word tsachaq
(tsaw-khak') which means: merriment; viz: pagan songs and dances
dedicated to the calf; a kind of worship revelry; the likes of
which in the ancient city of Corinth no doubt culminated in a
drunken orgy.
Apparently some of the religions in the Roman world were pretty
wild and sensual, and as a result; very popular. In comparison;
Christianity was dull and boring. Those pagan religions really
gave you your money's worth, while Christianity has very little
to offer in the way of entertainment, except maybe for
Catholicism. The late-night television comedian David Letterman
once remarked they put on a pretty good show.
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