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#Post#: 4856--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 9, 2019, 10:58 pm
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1Cor 6:20 . . For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify
God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Christ's crucifixion and resurrection ransomed his followers
from facing justice and the second death in the scene depicted
at Rev 20:11-15. That was a mighty big favor, and I should think
it earns him the right to expect a favor in return. All things
considered; conducting ourselves in ways that honor God is
really not too much to ask seeing as how it was He who donated
His No.1 son's life to pay the price for people's ransom. (1Pet
1:18-19)
"in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." (1Cor
6:20b)
Human life consists of not only body and spirit, but also soul.
(1Thess 5:23, Heb 4:12). So, that being the case; why isn't soul
mentioned in 1Cor 6:20? Well; I'm pretty sure it's implied by
the pronoun "ye". In other words: soul speaks of the person as a
conscious, sentient being.
"Soul" is somewhat ambiguous. In the very beginning, the Hebrew
word for soul (nephesh) simply distinguished between fauna life
and flora life.
It shows up first at Gen 1:20-21 as sea creatures and winged
creatures. Then again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; again at
Gen 2:7 as the human creature; again at Gen 2:19-20 as the
creatures to whom Adam gave names; and again at Gen 9:8-16 as
all creatures aboard the ark, including Noah and his family.
NOTE: Speaking of conscious, sentient beings: God's spirit is
viewed by some not as a person, but as a force. However,
according to Isa 63:10 it's possible to vex God's spirit. The
Hebrew word for "vex" is 'atsab (aw-tsab') which means distress,
worry, pain, or anger. 'Atsab's first appearance in the Bible is
located at Gen 6:6, where it's stated:
"Jehovah was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and it
grieved Him to his heart."
'Atsab's equivalent in the New Testament is lupeo (loo-peh'-o).
For example:
"Do not grieve the holy spirit of God, by whom you were sealed
for the day of redemption." (Eph 4:30)
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#Post#: 4864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 10, 2019, 7:48 pm
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1Cor 7:2 . . To avoid fornication, let every man have his own
wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
The above is especially pertinent in 2014 America. Fornication
is everywhere: on a pandemic scale. It's in our music, in our
schools, in the White House, in our offices, on our televisions,
in our movies, in our novels, and in our conversations. People
are even sleeping together on their very first dates.
Even Congressmen, Senators, and US Presidents are indulging in
forbidden love. The previous Governor of Oregon was openly
shacking up with a girlfriend. An item in the January 2011 issue
of National Geographic reported that 41% of America's births in
2008 were illegitimate; which is up 28% from 1990.
This country is in a state of moral decadence, and becoming more
and more like the ancient city of Pompeii just prior to its
destruction by the volcanism of Mt. Vesuvius.
It's important to note that 1Cor 7:2 makes it okay to marry for
sex. My childhood religion taught me that it's a sin to marry
for any other reason except procreation and that couples who
decide to remain childless are living in sin. They get that from
Genesis 1:28 where it's says: "God blessed them; and God said to
them: Be fruitful and multiply". But that is clearly a blessing
rather than a law. It's always best to regard blessings as
benefits and/or empowerments unless clearly indicated otherwise.
Ironically the original purpose of marriage was neither sex nor
procreation; it was companionship (Gen 2:18). Leave it to people
to construe God's words to mean things they don't say in
writing.
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#Post#: 4865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 10, 2019, 10:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> 1Cor 7:2 . . To avoid fornication, let every man have his own
wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
>
> The above is especially pertinent in 2014 America. Fornication
is everywhere: on a pandemic scale. It's in our music, in our
schools, in the White House, in our offices, on our televisions,
in our movies, in our novels, and in our conversations. People
are even sleeping together on their very first dates.
>
> Even Congressmen, Senators, and US Presidents are indulging in
forbidden love. The previous Governor of Oregon was openly
shacking up with a girlfriend. An item in the January 2011 issue
of National Geographic reported that 41% of America's births in
2008 were illegitimate; which is up 28% from 1990.
>
> This country is in a state of moral decadence, and becoming
more and more like the ancient city of Pompeii just prior to its
destruction by the volcanism of Mt. Vesuvius.
>
> It's important to note that 1Cor 7:2 makes it okay to marry
for sex. My childhood religion taught me that it's a sin to
marry for any other reason except procreation and that couples
who decide to remain childless are living in sin. They get that
from Genesis 1:28 where it's says: "God blessed them; and God
said to them: Be fruitful and multiply". But that is clearly a
blessing rather than a law. It's always best to regard blessings
as benefits and/or empowerments unless clearly indicated
otherwise.
>
> Ironically the original purpose of marriage was neither sex
nor procreation; it was companionship (Gen 2:18). Leave it to
people to construe God's words to mean things they don't say in
writing.
> _
>
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[shadow=blue,left] There you go again! Where does it say:"It's
important to note that 1Cor 7:2 makes it okay to marry for sex."
It does not: You appear to make up things where they are
convenient.
Then you say:"Leave it to people to construe God's words to mean
things they don't say in writing."
REALLY! That is what you just did!
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#Post#: 4874--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 11, 2019, 8:30 pm
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1Cor 7:3-4 . . Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The
wife hath not authority of her own body, but the husband: and
likewise also the husband hath not authority of his own body,
but the wife.
What we're talking about in that verse is the principle of
private property in marriage that was established right from the
get-go.
"Hence a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his
wife" (Gen 2:24)
There are no specific Hebrew words for "wife". The word for wife
in that verse comes from the very same word as woman-- 'ishshah.
What makes an ishshah somebody's wife? The possessive pronoun
"his". The same grammar works for husbands too, for example:
"And Leah said: God hath endued me with a good dowry; now will
my husband dwell with me, because I have born him six sons."
(Gen 30:20)
The Hebrew word for "husband" in that verse is 'iysh which is
specifically males; for example Gen 2:23-24 where it says:
"And Adam said: This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
flesh: she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of
man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
So Eve became Adam's woman; and Adam of course became Eve's man.
They quite literally owned each other.
Adultery is very serious not only because it's immoral, but also
because it's an act of theft. Spouses that cheat on their
partners are no different than carjackers taking an SUV that
doesn't belong to them and selling it to a chop shop.
So then; if you're looking for a man, or for a women, then go
out and find one of your own instead of taking a married one who
has no right to give themselves to you without their spouse's
consent.
TRIVIA: Leah speaks of Jacob as her man something like five
times in Genesis while Rachel never once speaks of him in that
way.
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#Post#: 4925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 13, 2019, 8:42 pm
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1Cor 7:5 . . Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with
consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and
prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for
your incontinency.
It's not uncommon for wives to withhold intimacy from their
husbands as a strategy to manipulate them. God forbid that any
woman believing herself to be one of Christ's followers should
ever pull a stunt like that! Same goes for the husbands. There
is just no excuse for that kind of behavior in marriage. It's
deplorable and it's unbecoming.
The koiné word for "defraud" is apostereo (ap-os-ter-eh'-o)
which means: to despoil; which Webster's defines as: to strip of
belongings, possessions, or value; viz: pillage.
In other words, married people who withhold intimacy from their
spouses without a valid reason to do so are nothing less than
thieves, and in violation of the 8th commandment.
"Thou shalt not steal." (Ex 20:15)
The temptation in question is of course adultery. In other
words; if one spouse denies the other spouse's conjugal rights
for too long a time they run the risk of pushing them into
another's arms.
I heard a story recently about a rather conniving Christian
woman who wanted a divorce from her Christian husband; but
seeing as how God only allows death or adultery to dissolve the
marital bond; she deliberately denied her husband his conjugal
rights in order to force him to think about taking a lover; and
when he did; she proceeded to divorce him on the grounds of
unfaithfulness. That way, in her mind's eye, she was the victim
and he the villain. (chuckle) What people won't do to circumvent
the laws of God.
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#Post#: 4933--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 14, 2019, 8:38 pm
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1Cor 7:8-9 . . Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is
good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot
control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry
than to burn.
Paul said it's good to remain single; but he didn't say it's
best.
The koiné Greek word for "burn" is puroo (poo-ro'-o) which
means: to kindle, to ignite, to glow, and/or to be inflamed. I
seriously doubt Paul meant to convey the thought that the
believers who lacked self control at Corinth were in grave
danger of the flames of hell since he had already assured them
in 1Cor 6:9-11 that they were washed, sanctified, and justified
in the name of The Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul was one of those kinds of men with a very low-powered
libido. But not everyone is like him; nor is everyone cut out to
live alone.
Webster's defines "celibacy" as (1) the state of not being
married, (2) abstention from sexual intercourse, and (3)
abstention by vow from marriage. Celibacy then, isn't limited to
zero sex, but also includes zero marriage; even platonic unions.
Not long ago, a Catholic priest here in Oregon quit the
priesthood after serving more than 30 years in order to get
married because he couldn't stand being alone anymore. He wasn't
especially looking to get naked with somebody, he just wanted a
companion; which is exactly how normal guys are designed.
"Yhvh God said: It's not good for Adam to be solitary" (Gen
2:18)
The problem with a vow of celibacy is that although it may
hinder a priest from getting married, it does nothing to prevent
him from pining for a female companion. 1Cor 7:9 should suffice
to silence the mouths of ascetics who preach it's holy to
abstain from every form of earthly pleasure; and also the mouths
of those who preach it's a sin to marry solely for sex.
NOTE: Typical wedding vows are unconditional, i.e. couples, as a
rule, don't promise to love each other in proportion to the
amount of love they get from the other. It would be educational
for couples to review their vows now and again to see just how
conscientious they've been in complying with the unconditional
portions of their vows.
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#Post#: 4934--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2019, 8:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> 1Cor 7:5 . . Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with
consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and
prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for
your incontinency.
>
> It's not uncommon for wives to withhold intimacy from their
husbands as a strategy to manipulate them. God forbid that any
woman believing herself to be one of Christ's followers should
ever pull a stunt like that! Same goes for the husbands. There
is just no excuse for that kind of behavior in marriage. It's
deplorable and it's unbecoming.
>
> The koiné word for "defraud" is apostereo (ap-os-ter-eh'-o)
which means: to despoil; which Webster's defines as: to strip of
belongings, possessions, or value; viz: pillage.
>
> In other words, married people who withhold intimacy from
their spouses without a valid reason to do so are nothing less
than thieves, and in violation of the 8th commandment.
>
> "Thou shalt not steal." (Ex 20:15)
>
> The temptation in question is of course adultery. In other
words; if one spouse denies the other spouse's conjugal rights
for too long a time they run the risk of pushing them into
another's arms.
>
> I heard a story recently about a rather conniving Christian
woman who wanted a divorce from her Christian husband; but
seeing as how God only allows death or adultery to dissolve the
marital bond; she deliberately denied her husband his conjugal
rights in order to force him to think about taking a lover; and
when he did; she proceeded to divorce him on the grounds of
unfaithfulness. That way, in her mind's eye, she was the victim
and he the villain. (chuckle) What people won't do to circumvent
the laws of God.
> _
>
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[shadow=Blue,left]
Where in the devil does this verse speak of marriage and
withholding intamacy?
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#Post#: 4981--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 15, 2019, 11:02 pm
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1Cor 7:10-11a . . Unto the married I command-- yet not I, but
The Lord --let not the wife depart from her husband: but and if
she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her
husband.
Divorcing a man for any cause other than infidelity is
unacceptable (Mat 5:32). However, according to Christ's sabbath
teachings, the safety and welfare of human life takes priority
over strict observance of religious laws and customs; which
tells me that women can, and no doubt should, walk out on
abusive husbands and get away from them.
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#Post#: 4989--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: April 16, 2019, 6:53 pm
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1Cor 7:11b . . and let not the husband put away his wife.
A man doesn't have sufficient scriptural grounds for divorce
just by his wife walking out on him. Now should his estranged
wife take up with a lover during their separation; that would
definitely be sufficient. (Matt 19:9)
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#Post#: 5009--------------------------------------------------
Re: Christ's Ways
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 16, 2019, 9:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> 1Cor 7:11b . . and let not the husband put away his wife.
>
> A man doesn't have sufficient scriptural grounds for divorce
just by his wife walking out on him. Now should his estranged
wife take up with a lover during their separation; that would
definitely be sufficient. (Matt 19:9)
> _
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]I like this,,,
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