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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 18, 2019, 7:50 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 2:5-10 . . The punishment inflicted on him by
the majority is sufficient for him. Now instead, you ought to
forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by
excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love
for him.
The cause for which Paul wrote that section was a guy in the
Corinthian church sleeping with his stepmother (1Cor 5:1). Paul
had commanded the congregation to not only hold the man's feet
to the fire, but also to ostracize him.
Some time had passed since then, and the man was apparently
regretting his actions, and broken off the illicit relationship
with his kin, so it was time to let him back into the group. No
doubt the humiliation of it all had a tremendous impact upon his
attitude-- probably upon the congregation's too because at first
their attitude wasn't all that good about it either. (cf. 1Cor
5:2)
Here in America scolding and ostracizing a church member would
probably just make them indignant rather than repentant.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 19, 2019, 7:07 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 2:9-11 . . If you forgive anyone, I also
forgive him. And what I have forgiven-- if there was anything to
forgive --I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake,
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware
of his schemes.
One of the opposition's tactics is to create disunity in a
church. Sure enough when that happens-- as when one portion of
the congregation believes in judging and ostracizing while the
other doesn't --people start taking sides and the church will
end up divided into cliques and factions. According to the lord
and master of New Testament Christianity, a house divided
against itself cannot stand.
Paul mentioned that his extension of forgiveness was "in the
sight of Christ". There exists some controversy as to the exact
meaning but I think it's just saying that Paul's forgiveness of
that man was done in accordance with Christ's approval; to the
end that the Corinthians all go along with it, i.e. stand
together as one.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 20, 2019, 8:48 pm
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[font=arial]2Cor 5:20-21 . . We are therefore Christ's
ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We
implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.
There's two different aspects to reconciliation. One is a
criminal justice kind of reconciliation (Rom 5:6-11, Rom 6:3-11,
1John 2:2) and the other is a fellowship kind of reconciliation.
(Gen 4:1-7, Gen 5:22-24, Gen 6:9, Gen 17:1, 1John 1:3-7)
For example, a man and his wife may not be speaking to each
other; and sleeping in separate beds; but they're still married:
they're just not getting along; in other words, they're out of
fellowship with one another. It's God's wishes that His own walk
with Him in fellowship while they're waiting for their
departure; and the Corinthians weren't doing very well at it.
In order to restore diplomatic relations between themselves and
their Father above, that congregation had to knuckle down and
deal with sin in their midst in accordance with their master's
wishes rather than their own. Compare Josh 7:2-26 where Moses'
people couldn't win anymore battles until they first dealt with
a sin in their midst.
It's ironic that a fully functioning Christian church like the
one at Corinth was in need of reconciliation with God. How many
Christian churches are just like that today? They pride
themselves in being Spirit-filled congregations, yet their
congregational attitude is completely out of touch with Christ.
Yes, Christian congregations are oftentimes out of touch and
need to come to their senses and reconnect or else they risk
becoming like the church at Laodicea where the central figure of
Christianity is depicted outside the building banging on the
door trying to get someone's attention to let him in. (cf. Rev
3:14-22)
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 21, 2019, 9:31 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 6:1-2 . . As God's fellow workers we urge you
not to receive God's grace in vain; for He says: In the time of
my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.
I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of
salvation.
There's a saving relative to the sum of all fears.
A saving relative to providence and support.
A saving relative to regeneration,
A saving relative to hope, and
A saving relative to resurrection.
When people fail to discuss those five savings separately and
distinctly, they inevitable embroil themselves in futile
debating that never gets to the bottom of anything.
The saving relative to the sum of all fears is of course
obtained entirely thru faith via the kindness and generosity of
God, viz; it's a gift, totally free of charge and no strings
attached; no works required. In point of fact, it has to be
obtained that way or nobody would make it to safety when they
passed on-- all would be lost.
On the other hand; works are very key in the saving relative to
providence and support.
"No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine.
Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the
vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him,
he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If
anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown
away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the
fire and burned." (John 15:1-7)
Nobody really wants to be a stick of ol' dried up yard debris,
but that's what happens when Christ's followers go
off-reservation and follow their own noses.
Anyway, the Corinthian church was in danger of losing out on
God's providence and support due to their leniency with sinful
members in their midst. Were that to continue, then they'd still
be a Christian church alright, but it would be a christless
Christian church.
"If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the
darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (1John 1:6)
The Greek word for "fellowship" is koinonia (koy-nohn-ee'-ah)
which basically refers to partnership and/or participation.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 22, 2019, 7:38 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 6:14-18 . . Be ye not unequally yoked together
with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with
unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he
that believeth with an infidel? and what agreement hath the
temple of God with idols?
. . . for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,
I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them,
and be ye separate, saith The Lord, and touch not the unclean
thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith The Lord Almighty.
That commandment clearly forbids intermarriage between
Christians and non-Christians. Failure to comply is not only
grossly disobedient, but it's unwise and can have tragic
results; for example:
"When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters
were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men
were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." (Gen
6:1-2)
If we assume that the "sons of God" were believers and the
"daughters of men" were not; then it would appear that back in
Noah's day, believing men threw caution to the wind and built
themselves harems of unbelieving women. What happened to those
believing men when it came time for the Flood? Well, for one
thing; they had lost their piety.
"The Lord then said to Noah: Go into the ark, you and your whole
family, because I have found you righteous in this generation."
(Gen 7:1)
None of the other sons of God in that day were righteous; hence
they weren't invited aboard the ark. All of those men-- whose
wives were chosen based solely upon sex appeal sans any
spiritual prudence whatsoever --perished in the Flood right
along with everybody else.
Another incident is located at Nehemiah 13:23-31; which led to
the break-up of homes. Were Nehemiah to do so in our day, the
media would crucify him for cruelty to children. But Nehemiah
wasn't the one at fault. God's people had entered into illegal
marriages; consequently their families became collateral damage.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: guest8 Date: June 22, 2019, 7:37 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=306.msg6538#msg6538
date=1561207096]
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[font=arial]2Cor 6:14-18 . . Be ye not unequally yoked together
with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with
unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he
that believeth with an infidel? and what agreement hath the
temple of God with idols?
. . . for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,
I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them,
and be ye separate, saith The Lord, and touch not the unclean
thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith The Lord Almighty.
That commandment clearly forbids intermarriage between
Christians and non-Christians. Failure to comply is not only
grossly disobedient, but it's unwise and can have tragic
results; for example:
"When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters
were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men
were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." (Gen
6:1-2)
If we assume that the "sons of God" were believers and the
"daughters of men" were not; then it would appear that back in
Noah's day, believing men threw caution to the wind and built
themselves harems of unbelieving women. What happened to those
believing men when it came time for the Flood? Well, for one
thing; they had lost their piety.
"The Lord then said to Noah: Go into the ark, you and your whole
family, because I have found you righteous in this generation."
(Gen 7:1)
None of the other sons of God in that day were righteous; hence
they weren't invited aboard the ark. All of those men-- whose
wives were chosen based solely upon sex appeal sans any
spiritual prudence whatsoever --perished in the Flood right
along with everybody else.
Another incident is located at Nehemiah 13:23-31; which led to
the break-up of homes. Were Nehemiah to do so in our day, the
media would crucify him for cruelty to children. But Nehemiah
wasn't the one at fault. God's people had entered into illegal
marriages; consequently their families became collateral damage.
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Oh my
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 23, 2019, 9:29 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 7:1 . . Since we have these promises, dear
friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that
contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of
deference to God's wishes.
Webster's defines "deference" as affected and/or ingratiating
regard for another's wishes. Deference is the opposite of
resistance, rebellion, defiance, indifference, stubbornness,
and/or going your own way.
Contaminations of one's body would include things like drug
addiction, alcoholism, adultery, promiscuity, gluttony, eating
blood, etc.
Contaminations of the spirit likely refers to things that
influence one's thinking and/or have an effect upon their
personality.
The promises are those listed at 2Cor 6:14-18.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 24, 2019, 8:56 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 8:11-15 . . If the willingness is there, the
gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to
what he does not have. Our desire is not that others might be
relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be
equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they
need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need.
Then there will be equality, as it is written: He who gathered
much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not
have too little.
NOTE: "if the willingness is there" tells me that church
officers should not pressure and/or shame their people into
giving, viz: break down their resistance; like talking people
into buying cars and vacuum cleaners, so to speak.
That directive is an excellent passage for debunking the
so-called Faith Promise; which is a popular scheme for tricking
church members to pledge money they don't have while expecting
God's providence will somehow provide it. That is not the Lord's
wish. By means of Paul, the Lord says to give out of what you
already have, not what you hope to have later; I mean: it is not
His wish to copy ENRON's mark-to-market accounting practices
and/or futures trading with pork bellies and soy beans.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 25, 2019, 7:44 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 9:7 . . Each man should give what he has
decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under
compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver.
Towards what end is the giving spoken of in the New Testament?
To finance ambitious building programs? Well; Christians back
then met in homes. Did their contributions go towards obtaining
more homes to meet in? No.
Within the context of the New Testament, giving in the early
church was charitable. It met needs rather than expenses; and
those needs were typically congregational rather than universal;
viz: their charity went towards those amongst themselves and/or
other congregations that were hungry, sick, injured, homeless,
alone, helpless, missionaries, full-time-church officers,
orphans, widows, abandoned, and/or persecuted, etc.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 26, 2019, 8:41 am
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[font=arial]2Cor 10:7 . . If anyone is confident that he belongs
to Christ, he should reconsider that we belong to Christ just as
much as he.
It's amazing that any Christian's ego would be so inflated as to
think themselves holier than an apostle, however, there are some
people out there with a pretty bad case of conceit who are up to
it. I can just hear the sneer in their voices as they think to
themselves: "What's so special about him? He puts his pants on
one leg at a time just like everybody else." That's the voice of
one of the most destructive human passions there is: malicious
rivalry. It got Abel murdered (1John 3:12) and it got Christ
crucified. (Matt 27:15-18)
"And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the
Herodians, to catch him in his words" (Mark 12:13)
Just look at that! The Lord's enemies actually stalked him,
hoping he would slip up and say something they could use against
him. Who were the "they" in that passage? None other than
Judaism's religious elite: the best of the best among Moses'
people.
"And as he taught them, he said: Is it not written: My house
will be called a house of prayer for all nations? But you have
made it a den of robbers. The chief priests and the teachers of
the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for
they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his
teaching" (Mark 11:17-18)
"Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled
in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But
not during the feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among
the people." (Matt 26:3-5)
You've got to wonder how it came about that holy men ordained to
represent God, and to speak for God, ever became so
Machiavellian.
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