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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 9, 2019, 7:38 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 14:39 . .Therefore, brethren, be eager to
prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
That rule applies only to people who actually have the gifts of
tongues and/or prophesy because according to Rom 12:4-6, 1Cor
12:10, 1Cor 12:29-30, and 1Cor 14:5 not everyone does.
So then; it's okay to speak in a tongue, and it's okay to
prophesy, but both must be done not only according to the rules,
but also with intelligence and grown-up behavior.
"Let all things be done decorously and in proper order." (1Cor
14:40)
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 10, 2019, 8:15 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 15:34 . . Come to your senses and stop sinning.
For to your shame I say that some of you don't have the
knowledge of God.
That directive is in connection with some of the Corinthians'
insistence that dead people stay dead and never recover.
"Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the
dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of
the dead?" (1Cor 15:12)
Apparently some of the Corinthians couldn't see that Christ's
resurrection is evidence that it's possible for dead people to
recover. A measure of that blindness exists even today among
people who insist that Christ's crucified dead body didn't
recover. They insist he rose from the dead with another body: a
so-called glorified body; and some even insist that Christ
returned from the dead as a spirit being rather than a human
being, and others postulate that his post crucifixion
appearances were done as an angel disguised in a fully
functioning human avatar. But if any of that were true, then
Christ's prediction at John 2:19-22 would be easily invalidated.
According to 1Cor 15:51-53 and 1Thes 4:13-17, the natural
remains of Christ's followers will first revive as they were and
then be transformed into something very wonderful during a
flight up to meet the Lord in the air.
There is really no sensible reason to not believe that Christ
underwent the very same process, i.e. his crucified remains were
first returned to life just as he predicted; and then forty days
later, at some point during the flight up to heaven as per Acts
1:9, his revived mortal body underwent transformation into an
immortal superhuman body.
According to 1Cor 15:34, people who believe Christ's crucified
dead body is still dead aren't fully conscious; viz: they're
like someone in a stupor; i.e. dazed.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 11, 2019, 8:16 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 15:56-58 . .The sting of death is sin, and the
power of sin is The Commandments; but thanks be to God! He gives
us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear
brothers, stand firm. Let nothing discourage you. Always give
yourselves fully to the work of The Lord, because you know that
your labor in The Lord isn't futile.
Though Mother Teresa put up a very convincing public image
during those five decades of missionary activity in India, her
private letters to spiritual counselors reveal that the poor
woman was never really sure that Christianity's God even exists;
and if He did exist, she was plagued with dread that He didn't
particularly like her and might be quite disposed to condemn
her. Though she never said so in public, there were was hardly
ever a time when she didn't truly wonder if God wanted her in
India in the first place.
Had Teresa's personality not been the D-9 Caterpillar tractor
that it was, I think the celebrity nun would have given up in
India after only one year. But as anyone who knew her will
vouch, Teresa wasn't a quitter; no, she was a little bulldog, a
survivor; and poverty was her dream venue. However,
bull-doggedness is not what Paul is talking about in 1Cor
15:56-58; no, quite the contrary.
Just imagine if somebody had it in the back of their mind that
they might be giving The Lord unreserved quantities of their
time, talent, and resources in a thankless endeavor only to end
up being condemned anyway as per Matt 7:22-23. Well, Paul
assured the Corinthians that Christ's work on the cross, and in
the grave, guaranteed that wouldn't happen to them— their
resurrection to a better life was in the bag; therefore they
needn't fear that in the end their work for The Lord will be
judged all for nothing.
Ironically; and at the time of his writing, the Corinthians were
not all that spiritual. (1Cor 3:1-3). However; though their work
in The Lord was being performed by Christians whose spirituality
was basically substandard, they were still useful; which tells
me that it isn't necessary to be a super saint before one can
begin serving Christ. Just serve him as best you can and pay no
attention to your location on the curve: keeping in mind that
loyalty and reliability count more than quantity.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 12, 2019, 8:18 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:1-3 . . Now about the collection for God's
people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first
day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of
money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I
come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I arrive, I
will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and
send them with your gift to Jerusalem.
The "God's people" to whom Paul referred were Jewish Christians
whose church was located at Jerusalem. They were having it
pretty rough in the early days of Christianity.
Lest somebody should get the wrong idea, that wasn't a tithe.
Christ left it up to each individual in Corinth the amount that
they felt like donating towards the Jews' relief effort.
"Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,
not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful
giver." (2Cor 9:7)
Tithes are not gifts; no, tithes are demanded rather than
donated out of the goodness of one's heart. I don't give the
government my taxes; no, they take them from me by force of law;
viz: I pay taxes against my will, both reluctantly and under
compulsion; and I have absolutely no voice in the parentage of
my income that they take. When it comes to taxes: I am not
cheerful; no, I am grudging. Well; that is not Christian giving.
No; Christians have a faith that works by love, not by law. (Gal
5:6)
It would be interesting to take a poll among America's churches
just to see, out of curiosity, how many have a program for
assisting Jewish Christians over in the modern State of Israel.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: guest8 Date: June 12, 2019, 4:05 pm
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date=1560345534]
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:1-3 . . Now about the collection for God's
people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first
day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of
money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I
come no collections will have to be made. Then, when I arrive, I
will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and
send them with your gift to Jerusalem.
The "God's people" to whom Paul referred were Jewish Christians
whose church was located at Jerusalem. They were having it
pretty rough in the early days of Christianity.
Lest somebody should get the wrong idea, that wasn't a tithe.
Christ left it up to each individual in Corinth the amount that
they felt like donating towards the Jews' relief effort.
"Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give,
not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful
giver." (2Cor 9:7)
Tithes are not gifts; no, tithes are demanded rather than
donated out of the goodness of one's heart. I don't give the
government my taxes; no, they take them from me by force of law;
viz: I pay taxes against my will, both reluctantly and under
compulsion; and I have absolutely no voice in the parentage of
my income that they take. When it comes to taxes: I am not
cheerful; no, I am grudging. Well; that is not Christian giving.
No; Christians have a faith that works by love, not by law. (Gal
5:6)
It would be interesting to take a poll among America's churches
just to see, out of curiosity, how many have a program for
assisting Jewish Christians over in the modern State of Israel.
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[shadow=blue,left]kinda of got of the scripture message.... I
hate it when somebody take one or two verses and tries to convey
that to the people within the walls of the Church so they will
bend to the will of the church leaders.
You are way out of line here.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 13, 2019, 8:24 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:13a . . Be on your guard, stand firm in the
faith, be men of courage; be strong.
The koiné Greek word for "men of courage" is andrizomai
(an-drid'-zom-ahee) which basically means to act manly; defined
by Webster's as: (1) having qualities generally associated with
a man; viz: strength and virility, and (2) appropriate in
character to a man.
Well; we sure don't want the Christian women in church to become
so-called strong women; i.e. she-males. Masculinity is
definitely not appropriate in character to Christian women. We
want them to stand firm in the faith in a womanly way, viz:
feminine rather than masculine.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 14, 2019, 7:58 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:14 . . Do everything in love.
In context; "everything" probably refers to managing a church.
If church officers aren't sure how to be in charge and at the
same time be civil, then they might take some time to study 1Cor
13:1-8 with a commentary and/or read "How To Win Friends And
Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.
Well; Carnegie's instructions are okay as far as they go, but
though he can teach people how to go thru the motions, he cannot
give people a heart; viz: he can teach people how to act, but he
cannot empower people how to feel.
Love is something that shouldn't be an effort. It's supposed to
come naturally to Christians due to the power of God promised to
His people way back in the Old Testament.
"I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within
you, and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh,
and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit
within you and bring it about that you will walk in My statutes
and you will keep My ordinances and do them." (Ezek 36:26-27)
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 15, 2019, 8:42 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:15-18 . .You know that the household of
Stephanas were the first converts in Achaia, and they have
devoted themselves to the service of the saints. I urge you,
brothers, to submit to such as these and to everyone who joins
in the work, and labors at it. I was glad when Stephanas,
Fortunatus and Achaicus arrived, because they have supplied what
was lacking from you. For they refreshed my spirit and yours
also. Such men deserve recognition.
Paul and his associates depended pretty heavily upon the
hospitality of local believers for accommodations and daily
necessities. Congregations do well to follow the examples of
Stephanas, Fortunatus and Achaicus either by opening their homes
to missionaries or by funding their stay in a motel and
providing them with a rental car.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 16, 2019, 7:28 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:20 . . Greet one another with a holy kiss.
Kissing was a common form of greeting in the old world; and
still is in the Middle East and certain parts of Europe; but
here in America-- a super-sized racial/cultural/ethnic amalgam
of customs from all over the globe --it's wise to dispense your
kisses with discretion. Some of us don't even like to be hugged,
let alone bussed; and if you should perchance try to make
physical contact with an autistic Christian, you're liable to
cause them a panic attack; so go easy on the touchy-feely stuff.
The people to whom Paul referred as "one another" are one's
fellow born-again Christians. We're not required to kiss
unbelievers. You can be courteous to them, yes (cf. Matt 5:47)
but reserve especially warm greetings for your siblings; viz:
those who've undergone a second birth as per John 1:12-13 and
John 3:3-8, and thus share your adoption into God's home as per
Rom 8:15-17.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 17, 2019, 8:29 am
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[font=arial]1Cor 16:22 . . If anyone love not The Lord, let him
be accursed.
One's love of The Lord is evidenced by loyalty.
"If you love me, you will comply with what I command." (John
14:15)
"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves
me." (John 14:21)
"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who does
not love me will not obey my teaching." (John 14:23-24)
Does a Muslim have to be a terrorist to be accursed? No; they
only have to be a loyal follower of Muhammad ibn `Abdullāh
instead of a loyal follower of Jesus Christ; same goes for
Atheists, Nonreligious, Baha'i, Buddhists, Chinese
Universalists, Confucianists, Jains, Kabbalah mystics,
Shintoists, Spiritists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Jews, Sikhs, and
Hindus-- they're all accursed and there is nothing to be gained
in arguing about it.
How many people am I talking about? Well, as of mid 2014,
worldwide there were:
550,000 Scientologists
1,500,000 Mormons
8,200,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
7,794,000 Baha'i
515,951,000 Buddhists
451,292,000 Chinese Folk Religionists
8,424,000 Confucianists
974,597,000 Hindus
5,567,000 Jains
14,142,000 Jews
1,673,590 Muslims
2,819,000 Shintoists
24,918,000 Sikhs
14,183,000 Spiritists
8,660,000 Taoists
196,000 Zoroastrians
828,594,000 Nonreligious
692,111,000 Agnostics
136,483,000 Atheists.
The grand total of just those categories alone is 5,369,071,000
If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical
Christianity is the reality; then a minimum of at least 75% of
the earth's 2014 population of 7.2 billion people didn't love
The Lord.
NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians, yes, but
not in the classical sense.
Joseph Smith's movement is a spin-off; in other words: there's
some classical Christianity in Mormonism, but comprises only a
portion of Mormonism. The rest of it is extreme, to say the
least.
Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the
classical sense. Charles Taze Russell's movement is a spin-off
too. There's some classical Christianity in the Watchtower
Society's doctrines, but comprises only a portion of Russell's
doctrines; and his slant on it is very peculiar.
BTW: A book that I personally consider an essential volume in
every Christian's library is called: "Kingdom Of The Cults" by
Walter Martin.
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