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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 6, 2019, 10:25 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:8 . . Neither let us commit fornication, as
some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty
thousand.
That event took place at Num 25:1-9. The fornication he's
talking about wasn't believers with believers. It was believers
with unbelievers. In other words; Christ's followers need to
avoid getting romantic with unbelievers lest unbelievers lead
his followers down the primrose path into something shameful and
very unbecoming.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 7, 2019, 7:35 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:9 . .We should not test The Lord, as some of
them did-- and were slain by snakes.
That event took place at Num 21:5-9.
The obvious lesson is that it's risky to complain about the
quality, the quantity, the nature, and/or the absence of God's
providence.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 8, 2019, 10:30 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:10 . . And do not grumble, as some of them
did-- and were killed by the destroying angel.
That incident took place at Num 14:2-38. The "grumbling" grew
into a pretty large anti-God protest. Anon it became violent and
within a hair's breadth of culminating in Joshua's and Caleb's
assassination. That was a very grave moment in Israel's history.
Anyway, Moses' people were of the opinion that God had led them
out of the frying pan into the fire by assigning them an
impossible task; one that would result in everybody's deaths had
they attempted to obey His orders; viz: a suicide mission.
Joshua and Caleb tried to convince them it wasn't a suicide
mission; and that with God on their side; they would not only
survive; but easily succeed. They refused to listen; and thus
became resolutely insubordinate.
Now; the obvious fatal error in their thinking was simply a lack
of belief that God would assist them to conquer the land. In
point of fact, they didn't believe God was able to in spite of
all His amazing displays of supernatural power in rescuing them
from Egyptian slavery; and that's what made their unbelief all
the more inexcusable. Most of us today have never seen God in
action; we've only heard tell of His exploits; but Moses' people
were eyewitnesses.
Putting this in a modern context:
New Christians are often led to believe that accepting Christ
will improve their mood and remedy their circumstances. Well;
apparently somebody neglected to tell them that they would have
to fight for it, i.e. in order to obtain the fruit of the Spirit
spoken of at Gal 5:22-23 they would have to knuckle down and
live a life pleasing to both God and Christ; viz: comply with
their wishes. (John 14:23, John 15:11)
I'm sure you can see how easy it would be for a new Christian to
become disillusioned, disappointed, and somewhat bitter at being
seemingly tricked into something that turns out to be too good
to be true-- then they get to complaining that a number of
Christ's commandments are too difficult; nobody can keep them so
what's the point in even trying.
Well; that complaint is reasonable, I'll admit; but it's also
insubordinate; and worse; it's contagious. If they want to give
up trying to comply with The Lord's wishes; fine; but they
really ought to keep their discontent with his wishes to
themselves in order to avoid kindling large-scale rebellion and
discontent in the ranks.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: guest8 Date: May 8, 2019, 11:37 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=306.msg5510#msg5510
date=1557372655]
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:10 . . And do not grumble, as some of them
did-- and were killed by the destroying angel.
That incident took place at Num 14:2-38. The "grumbling" grew
into a pretty large anti-God protest. Anon it became violent and
within a hair's breadth of culminating in Joshua's and Caleb's
assassination. That was a very grave moment in Israel's history.
Anyway, Moses' people were of the opinion that God had led them
out of the frying pan into the fire by assigning them an
impossible task; one that would result in everybody's deaths had
they attempted to obey His orders; viz: a suicide mission.
Joshua and Caleb tried to convince them it wasn't a suicide
mission; and that with God on their side; they would not only
survive; but easily succeed. They refused to listen; and thus
became resolutely insubordinate.
Now; the obvious fatal error in their thinking was simply a lack
of belief that God would assist them to conquer the land. In
point of fact, they didn't believe God was able to in spite of
all His amazing displays of supernatural power in rescuing them
from Egyptian slavery; and that's what made their unbelief all
the more inexcusable. Most of us today have never seen God in
action; we've only heard tell of His exploits; but Moses' people
were eyewitnesses.
Putting this in a modern context:
New Christians are often led to believe that accepting Christ
will improve their mood and remedy their circumstances. Well;
apparently somebody neglected to tell them that they would have
to fight for it, i.e. in order to obtain the fruit of the Spirit
spoken of at Gal 5:22-23 they would have to knuckle down and
live a life pleasing to both God and Christ; viz: comply with
their wishes. (John 14:23, John 15:11)
I'm sure you can see how easy it would be for a new Christian to
become disillusioned, disappointed, and somewhat bitter at being
seemingly tricked into something that turns out to be too good
to be true-- then they get to complaining that a number of
Christ's commandments are too difficult; nobody can keep them so
what's the point in even trying.
Well; that complaint is reasonable, I'll admit; but it's also
insubordinate; and worse; it's contagious. If they want to give
up trying to comply with The Lord's wishes; fine; but they
really ought to keep their discontent with his wishes to
themselves in order to avoid kindling large-scale rebellion and
discontent in the ranks.
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[shadow=blue,left]good day.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 9, 2019, 7:26 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:11-12 . .These things happened to them as
examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the
fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are
standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
Their substandard compliance with God's wishes didn't bring
about the return of Moses' people to Egypt; no, "once saved
always saved" applied to them as well as to us. However, their
conduct did cause them to "fall" that is: fall out of favor with
God.
That's a risk even for Christ's followers whose destiny in
heaven is a sure thing; iron clad and set in concrete. The good
shepherd's sheep will never again be in danger of eternal
suffering; but they are always in danger of losing out on the
benefits of providence due to conduct unbecoming.
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or
hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or
sword? As it is written: For your sake we face death all day
long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." (Rom
8:35-36)
That's a reference to Psalm 44 which speaks not of damnation,
rather, of discipline.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 10, 2019, 7:39 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:14 . .Therefore, my dear friends, flee from
idolatry.
There's that word "flee" again; which in many of its
applications in the New Testament means to run for your life. So
you can see that idolatry can have very serious consequences.
There's more to idolatry than just bowing and/or praying to
sculpture and art. It's possible to be an idolater without even
being especially religious.
"Don't be greedy for the good things of this life; for that is
idolatry" (Col 3:5)
Greed then, is one of the characteristics of an idolater. In
other words: idolatry is a personality issue rather than only a
religious issue. Even atheists qualify as idolaters if they have
a greedy personality; e.g. Wall Street's investment bankers and
commodities traders. Their "golden calf" is profit.
It's okay to want the good things in life: after all; God has
given us richly all things to enjoy (1Tim 6:17). It's the
insatiable desire for good things that makes people idolaters;
in other words avarice; which is never content; no, avarice
always wants more, more, more, more, and then some. Nowhere is
that more rampant than corporate greed which will walk over the
dead bodies of its employees if that's what it takes for a
better quarterly report.
I'm not exaggerating. Made-in-China goods merchant WALMART used
to take out life insurance policies on its employees-- not for
the families; but for itself. In other words; it named itself
the beneficiary on those employee life insurance policies so
that when one died, they recovered some of the wages and
benefits they had to pay the employee while they were alive and
working for them.
The policies are called COLI (corporate-owned life insurance)
policies. But they're better known in the insurance industry as
"dead peasant" and/or "dead janitor" policies. WALMART isn't the
only big business doing this sort of thing. An attorney for the
Hartford Life Insurance Co. estimates that one-fourth of the
Fortune 500 companies have them, which cover the lives of
between 5 million and 6 million workers. COLI policies seem to
me a ghoulish way to make a buck; but then it should surprise no
one that idolaters have no sensibilities to speak of seeing as
how they revere not God, but rather the power, the prestige, and
the comforts of wealth.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 11, 2019, 10:26 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:24 . . Nobody should seek only his own good,
but also the good of others.
That's not saying it's wrong to seek your own good; just wrong
to seek it at the expense of another's good; viz: selfish
ambition might be an acceptable modus operandi in professional
sports, politics, and big business; but it's totally
unacceptable in one's association with fellow believers. And
there is nothing new in that; I mean after all; it's just
another way of expressing the so-called golden rule; which
states: "All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to
you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the
prophets. (Matt 7:12)
It's interesting to note that if people weren't so hard-hearted;
there would be no need for laws that force people to do right by
their fellow man.
I once took a city slicker friend out shooting in the Oregon
woods with a cowboy style six-gun. In typical wrangler fashion
he yelled yahoo and fired the six-gun up into the air before I
could stop him. It then became necessary for me to remind my
friend that bullets eventually come down and can quite possibly
hit someone off in the distance; maybe even a child.
Drive-by shooters know this, but they're typically psychopathic
so it's to be expected they don't care where their bullets go.
However, I should hope no Christian reading this is
psychopathic; but will think about their words and actions
before those words and actions impact an innocent person's life
in a way that's not easily repaired.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 12, 2019, 10:29 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:25-26 . . Eat anything sold in the meat
market without raising questions of conscience, for the earth is
The Lord's, and everything in it.
Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to
no one how He goes about managing it; then what He says goes
because nobody can stop Him from making and/or enforcing
whatever rules He wishes.
Whether God's rules are loving, moral, just, and/or right and
wise is irrelevant. It's as futile to criticize lightening for
being so bright, and thunder for being so loud, as it is to
criticize God's rules because no matter how much people complain
about thunder and lightening; there is nothing they can do to
get them abolished.
One of the Greek words translated "lord" in the New Testament is
despotes (des-pot'-ace) from which we get our English word
despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler with absolute power and
authority.
A percentage of the meat sold by vendors in Corinth was either
blessed by, or dedicated to, pagan deities. Paul instructed his
friends to avoid asking which was which since it doesn't matter
to God if the foods Christians ingest are religiously tainted
without their knowledge: and since it's The Lord's earth, then
if He says it's okay; then it's okay; but again, only if we're
unaware of the meat's religious significance.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 13, 2019, 7:02 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:27-29 . . If an unbeliever invites you to a
meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without
raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you "This
has been offered in sacrifice" then do not eat it, both for the
sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake-- the
other man's conscience, I mean, not yours.
If you go ahead and dine in someone's home where you know in
advance the food is either dedicated to, or blessed by, a pagan
deity, or that when they say grace around the table it will be
to a god other than your own, or to a sacred personage that you
do not accept; then your host is quite possibly going to come to
the conclusion that his religion is just as valid as yours if
you don't decline.
This is not saying that Catholics and Protestants can't eat
together and/or pray together around the table; nor is it saying
that Christians and Jews can't eat together and pray together
around the table: not when Catholics, Protestants, and Jews are
all praying to the same God: just from a different perspective.
I will say this though: if you are a Catholic host, and your
guests are either Protestants or Jews; then for heaven's sake DO
NOT pray around the table to Christ's mom and/or to one of
Catholicism's many patron saints. That is extremely offensive to
Protestants and Jews, and totally unnecessary anyway when you
can just as easily say grace to the one supreme being common to
you all.
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Re: Christ's Ways
By: guest8 Date: May 13, 2019, 9:19 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=306.msg5610#msg5610
date=1557792156]
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[font=arial]1Cor 10:27-29 . . If an unbeliever invites you to a
meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without
raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you "This
has been offered in sacrifice" then do not eat it, both for the
sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake-- the
other man's conscience, I mean, not yours.
If you go ahead and dine in someone's home where you know in
advance the food is either dedicated to, or blessed by, a pagan
deity, or that when they say grace around the table it will be
to a god other than your own, or to a sacred personage that you
do not accept; then your host is quite possibly going to come to
the conclusion that his religion is just as valid as yours if
you don't decline.
This is not saying that Catholics and Protestants can't eat
together and/or pray together around the table; nor is it saying
that Christians and Jews can't eat together and pray together
around the table: not when Catholics, Protestants, and Jews are
all praying to the same God: just from a different perspective.
I will say this though: if you are a Catholic host, and your
guests are either Protestants or Jews; then for heaven's sake DO
NOT pray around the table to Christ's mom and/or to one of
Catholicism's many patron saints. That is extremely offensive to
Protestants and Jews, and totally unnecessary anyway when you
can just as easily say grace to the one supreme being common to
you all.
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[shadow=blue,left]No, as Christian and a Protestant the sin of
the Catholics for praying to false Idols is not offensive to
me....WHAT about JESUS CHRIST.... don't you think it is
offensive to HIM
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