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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 9, 2019, 8:50 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:6a . . When the woman saw that the
tree was good for eating
By watching what birds and animals eat, people can often tell
what's safe for human consumption. That's not always true of
course, but it's a pretty good rule of thumb. So the woman could
safely assume the tree wasn't poisonous if there wasn't a
growing pile of sick and/or dead critters at the base of the
tree.
● Gen 3:6b . . and a delight to the eyes,
Most fruits and vegetables are appealing-- just look at bananas
and pears and apples and oranges and watermelon and cantaloupe
and grapes and carrots, and radishes, and plums and mangoes and
strawberries and whatever. God doubtless made them that way so
Man could not only nourish himself, but also enjoy his food;
viz: not only eat because he has to, but also because he'd like
to.
● Gen 3:6c . . and that the tree was desirable as a source
of wisdom,
The Hebrew word for "wisdom" is sakal (saw-kal') which
essentially means circumspect, i.e. sensible; which Webster's
defines as careful to consider all circumstances and possible
consequences, viz: prudence.
People with a high degree of circumspection make fewer mistakes
in life while those of us with a low degree oftentimes fail to
do, say, or decide what's best.
Sakal shows up no less than thirteen times in the book of
Proverbs alone, and is always depicted as desirable; so it's not
like Eve was wanting something that was eo ipso bad for her.
Anyway, Eve probably figured that a fruit as attractive to the
eye, and appealing to one's mind, as that of the forbidden tree
couldn't possibly be as bad as God led them to believe. I mean,
if it at least had some sharp needles like cactus pears, or
maybe a prickly surface like a pineapple, then it would at least
have been a bit intimidating; but the forbidden fruit was
nothing like that; no, it looked very benevolent.
NOTE: Ironically, Eve's first step towards obtaining wisdom was
to do something really stupid.
● Gen 3:6d . . she took of its fruit and ate.
The important thing to note at this point, is that Eve was
unaffected by the fruit: she went right on naked as usual;
experiencing no shame about it whatsoever.
● Gen 3:6e . . She also gave some to her husband, and he
ate.
Did Eve first deftly dice the fruit and camouflage it in a tasty
parfait so her husband wouldn't know what he was eating? No;
according to 1Tim 2:14 Adam went into it with eyes wide open.
I have to wonder why the husband followed his wife's lead and
did something he knew full well to be breaking God's edict and
putting himself at risk of death. Genesis doesn't reveal why
Adam chose to eat the fruit. I suppose he had his reasons, but
apparently God didn't think they were sufficient to excuse the
man's defiance.
But I think Adam was cautious at first, and kept a wary eye on
Eve for some time waiting to see if she would get sick; and when
she didn't, he surely had to wonder if maybe he misunderstood
God.
I think most husbands would sympathize with Adam. I mean: he was
told by a supposedly competent source that the forbidden tree
was unfit for human consumption. But here's your wife sitting
right beside you happily munching away and she's still healthy,
lucid, and exhibiting no ill side effects. How is a reasonable
man supposed to argue with empirical evidence as good as that?
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 10, 2019, 7:42 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:7 . .Then the eyes of both of them
were opened and they perceived that they were naked; and they
sewed together fig leaves and made themselves loincloths.
Adam was warned that he would lose immortality by tasting the
forbidden fruit, but it appears he wasn't warned about this new
perception of themselves; at least not on record. If we can
safely read between the lines, then we may assume that he and
God discussed this issue during one of their daily meetings. And
again, the prophets didn't record everything they knew. For
example; prophecy predicted that Jesus would be called a
Nazarene (Matt 2:19-23) but good luck finding that in the Old
Testament because it isn't there.
It's believed by a pretty large percentage of Christians that
the couple's new perception of themselves is inherited from
one's parents; specifically one's biological father. But Eve was
already in existence before Adam tasted the fruit; so he could
not, nor did he, pass it on to her biologically by means of
procreation or by means of his body parts that God used to put
Eve together.
In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden
fruit had something to do with their new state of mind; but now
I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it, and
when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went
about in the buff as usual. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit
that something altered Eve's conscience; so I'm pretty sure that
the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of
that fruit.
We're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or
the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil
(Rev 20:2)
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with
the human body and the human mind, e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5,
and Eph 2:2.
The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power
of death the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that
fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked on Adam and Eve. As
soon as he tasted the fruit, they immediately set to work with
the fig leaves.
FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?
A: It was apparently God's wishes that death come into the world
via a man acting alone just as righteousness would later be
offered to the world by a man acting alone. (Rom 5:12-21)
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 11, 2019, 7:27 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:8a . . They heard the voice of the
Lord God moving about in the garden at the breezy time of day;
The Hebrew word for "voice" is somewhat ambiguous. It can not
only indicate a vocal sound, but lots of other kinds of noises
too; e.g. horns, crackling, snapping, cackling, bleating,
tweeting, roaring, whooshing, hissing, barking, thudding,
whistling, and booming, et al.
● Gen 3:8b-9 . . and the man and his wife hid from Yhvh
God among the trees of the garden. Yhvh God called out to the
man and said to him: Where are you?
Since God is omniscient, "where are you" can be taken to mean:
Adam; come out, come out, wherever you are!
● Gen 3:10 . . He replied: I heard the sound of You in the
garden, and I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.
Adam wasn't totally disrobed; just partially. But even that
degree of undress lacked adequate propriety to his newly
acquired sense of right and wrong. But the thing to note is
Adam's unease in the presence of God while lacking what he
thought in his own mind to be appropriate clothing.
This incident tells me that even the most seasoned exotic
dancer, normally comfortable disrobed in a room of leering men,
would probably want to put something on should God come thru the
door and take a seat around the dance floor. (cf. John 21:7)
● Gen 3:11 . .Then He asked: Who told you that you were
naked? Did you eat of the tree from which I had forbidden you to
eat?
In other words: who said undress is indecent? Where'd you get
that idea?
Well; nobody had said undress is indecent, nor even suggested
that it's indecent-- the concept of a dress code was unheard of
at that time. No; they just "felt" it's indecent. In other
words; it was their new perception of right and wrong telling
them that undress is indecent. Unfortunately, their newly
acquired moral compass was unreliable; the reason being they
didn't get it from God.
● Gen 3:12 . .The man said: The woman You put at my side--
she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
Adam attempted to get himself off the hook by accusing God of
product liability.
Like: "This wouldn't have happened if you hadn't imposed that
female upon me. Did I ask for a wife? NO! And what kind of
person is this woman you gave me anyway? She has managed to ruin
my life in very short order. Is this your concept of the perfect
companion for a man?"
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 12, 2019, 9:50 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:13 . . And Yhvh God said to the woman:
What is this you have done? The woman replied: The serpent duped
me, and I ate.
That's a very popular excuse even still today; like when it
turned out that Iraq didn't have any weapons of mass destruction
to justify an invasion; President Bush said he was given some
bad information.
The first couple exhibited early-on a very common aspect of
human nature of which all of us are so familiar-- blaming others
for the way we act. I once worked in a boatyard with a very hot
tempered man. Previous to his employment with us, we had another
with just about the same temperament who quit right before the
second one signed on. Some time later, the new guy got irate
about something or other and said: Now I know why that other guy
was difficult. You made him that way. (chuckle) Wasn't that a
perfectly natural excuse?
I dated a girl like that once. When I pointed out one day that
she was behaving peevishly; she retorted: "I'm only responding
to you". (chuckle) Ms. Peevish employed the age-old excuse of
blaming someone else for the way she acted when really the blame
was just simply her own lack of self-control; which can be
roughly defined as inadequate restraint exercised over one's own
impulses, emotions, and/or desires.
● Gen 3:14a . .Then the Lord God said to the serpent:
A marked departure in procedure is very evident here. God gave
the humans an opportunity to defend themselves; but not so with
Mr. Serpent. On the page of scripture, the trial phase was
skipped and proceedings went straight to the sentencing stage
just like Osama Bin Laden's assassination. It's almost as if the
Serpent had already discussed with God how it planned to turn
the humans against Him; like when it later moved against Job.
One thing for sure about the Serpent; it is an utterly condemned
individual. Repentance is out of the question and definitely NOT
an option. Its destiny was determined long, long ago.
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand: Depart from
me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and
his angels" (Matt 25:41)
The apostle John saw the Serpent's fate; like a video clip from
the future.
"And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire
and brimstone, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and
ever." (Rev 20:10)
It is only too obvious that the Serpent crossed over a line
somewhere in the past and now there is no going back. Humanity
is redeemable; but the Serpent is beyond hope. The scary part
is: the Serpent is not only doomed, but busy making every effort
to take as many people down with it as possible-- like a
disgruntled postal worker coming in one day and cutting loose on
everybody with a shotgun.
● Gen 3:14b . . Because you did this, more cursed shall
you be than all cattle and all the wild beasts:
The Hebrew word for "curse" is from 'arar (aw-rar') which means:
to execrate. Webster's defines execrate as: to declare to be
evil or detestable; viz: denounce. Synonyms listed for execrate
are: hate, abhor, abominate, detest, and loathe. When the
Bible's God has those kinds of feelings for someone; they are
really in trouble.
But what really caught my attention is that God implied cattle
and beasts would be cursed too. Up ahead we'll see that even the
soil would be cursed. In other words: Adam's progeny would never
live on the planet as it was when their ancient grandparents
were created. We today exist on a cursed world.
In point of fact, an article in the January 15 edition of
Scientific American magazine said: "Earth is past its prime and
the biosphere is nearing its end. All things considered, our
planet is only marginally habitable."
The third chapter began by stating that the Serpent was more
cunning than any of the beasts of the field, a creature that
began with a level of dignity way over and beyond the land
animals; but fell to a position of esteem far below them because
of what it did to the Adams family. In other words, the Serpent
is now lower than the lowest thing on the face of the earth.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 13, 2019, 8:34 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:14c . . On your belly shall you crawl
and dirt shall you eat all the days of your life.
Ancient Jews thought maybe the Serpent was originally equipped
with feet.
T. Upon thy belly thou shalt go, and thy feet shall be cut off,
and thy skin thou shalt cast away once in seven years; and the
poison of death shall be in thy mouth, and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life. (Targum Jonathan)
It's probably best to interpret Gen 3:14c as poetic language
because I have never seen, nor yet heard of, a species of snake
that eats soil for its food. True, snakes crawl on their
bellies; but they probably always did; because that's the way
they're designed. Some snakes live in trees and others live in
water. Those kinds don't spend a whole lot of time on the ground
so not all snakes are alike. I really don't think snakes crawl
because they were condemned to crawl. Nor was every species of
snake condemned; just the one snake in verse 14.
A person who crawls and eats dirt is typically someone held in
very low regard; in other words: a worm. And "all the days of
your life" is saying that God's low opinion of the Serpent will
never be rescinded.
Serpents will eat dirt in the kingdom of God; possibly as a
perpetual reminder of Man's first great mistake.
"The wolf and the lamb shall graze together, and the lion shall
eat straw like the ox, and the serpent's food shall be earth."
(Isa 65:25)
Today, snakes don't eat earth, they eat prey. How serpents will
survive on dirt is unclear, unless their digestive system will
be changed to that of a night crawler.
Serpents are never portrayed in the Bible as beneficial to Man.
They are always of the poisonous variety and a serious threat to
Man's health and well being. That will all be different in the
kingdom of God.
"A babe shall play over a viper's hole, and an infant pass his
hand over an adder's den. In all of My sacred mount nothing evil
or vile shall be done; for the land shall be filled with
devotion to the Lord as water covers the sea. In that day, the
stock of Jesse that has remained standing shall become a
standard to peoples-- nations shall seek his counsel and his
abode shall be honored." (Isa 11:8-10)
NOTE: Targums aren't translations; rather, very old Aramaic
paraphrases of the Hebrew bible. They were authoritative, and
spoken aloud in the synagogues along with the Hebrew of the
Torah and Haftarah readings.
Public readings of the scriptures in ancient synagogues were
accompanied by commentary in Aramaic because that was the spoken
language of most Jews in Israel and Babylonia during the
Talmudic era. The normal practice was that after each verse was
read from the sacred Torah scroll, an official commentator known
as the Turgeman, or Meturgeman, would then recite orally an
Aramaic explanation; usually from memory.
Targums were utilized in the synagogues before, during, and
after the times of Christ-- being necessary because many of the
Jewish people of that day could not understand Hebrew.
The major Targums are those that originated in Palestine and
those that were revised in Babylon. Recently a complete
manuscript of the Palestinian Targum has come to light-- Neofiti
1 of the Vatican Library. The best known Babylonian Targums are
those of Onkelos and Jonathan.
Targums are important as evidence for a history of thought among
the Jewish communities in Israel and abroad during Christ's day.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 14, 2019, 10:41 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:15a . . I will put enmity between you
and the woman,
The Hebrew word for enmity indicates hostility; i.e. ill will.
Never again would the Serpent be allowed to get chummy with Eve
nor would she ever again trust him like she once did. From now
on, the woman would eye the Serpent with suspicion; so he would
have to figure out ways to deceive the humans indirectly rather
than one-on-one face to face.
● Gen 3:15b . . And between your offspring and her
offspring.
The word for "offspring" is from zera' (zeh'-rah) which is an
ambiguous Hebrew word that technically means seed; but not
always the biological kind. It can also mean a product and/or a
result (e.g. Isa 53:10) and also fruit, plant, sowing-time,
and/or progeny and posterity.
The offspring predicted here is just as much Adam's as Eve's
seeing as how she derived her flesh and bone from a tissue
sample taken from Adam's body.
It's pretty much agreed by both sides of the aisle-- Catholic
and Protestant --that Eve's predicted offspring found its
fulfillment in Christ.
"When the time had fully come, God sent His son, born of a
woman" (Gal 4:4)
● Gen 3:15c . . Hers will pound your head
"Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself
likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might
render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the
Devil" (Heb 2:14)
● Gen 3:15d . . and yours will bite his heel.
Who were the "yours"? Well, as much as is known; the Devil
doesn't reproduce. So his progeny shouldn't be thought of as
biological. Judas Iscariot is certainly a likely candidate; but
in my opinion, he's a red herring.
Romans carried out the dirty business of crucifying Christ, but
his own countrymen are responsible for getting him executed.
(Matt 26:3-5, Act 7:52)
Jesus told his Jewish enemies face to face that they were the
Serpent's offspring. (John 8:44)
NOTE: I suggest keeping all of the above under your hat lest by
blabbing about it you get yourself unnecessarily accused of
anti-Semitism.
● Gen 3:16a . . And to the woman He said: I will make most
severe your pangs in childbearing;
The Hebrew word for "pangs" is 'itstsabown (its-tsaw-bone') and
means: worrisome-ness; defined by Webster's as: causing distress
or worry or inclined to worry or fret; viz: anxiety, insecurity,
and perhaps melancholy.
For many women, the preggers stage of motherhood is often
characterized by bloating, illness, nausea, depression, anxiety,
insecurity, and irritability. For them, pregnancy is more like a
curse than the intended blessing of Gen 1:28.
● Gen 3:16b . . in pain shall you bear children.
It's difficult to imagine bearing children without pain because
that's the way it's always been right from the beginning, even
with Eve's very first child. Apparently before Man's fall,
having a baby would've caused no more discomfort than doing
one's business in the ladies room-- and just as lacking in
danger to mom and infant.
The thing to note is: this particular punishment was unexpected;
viz: it isn't specifically listed in Gen 2:17 as a consequence
for tasting the forbidden fruit.
Something else that's notable is that neither the Serpent nor
the tree's chemistry, played a role in Eve's new circumstances.
God said "I will make yada, yada, yada". In other words; the
pangs and pains of bearing children came about via divine edict.
There's more.
● Gen 3:16c . .Your desire shall be for your husband,
The Hebrew of that passage is very difficult; not even the great
rabbis Rashi and Ramban were in agreement how best to interpret
it. But it appears to me simply the very first prohibition
against adultery and pre-marital intimacy.
Precisely why God waited till this moment to lay down some moral
law is a mystery; but suggests to me that even had they not
eaten the forbidden fruit, He would've gotten around to it;
after all, in the beginning, Adam and his wife knew nothing of
right and wrong.
I believe it's reasonable to assume that their association with
God would've eventually included some form of catechism because
left to themselves, it would've been natural for the first
couple, in their innocence, to assume it was okay to sleep with
everybody and anybody that opportunity afforded.
And then there's this:
● Gen 3:16d . . and he shall rule over you.
That is probably one of the most hated verses in the book of
Genesis. Eve's daughters do not like to be subjugated to, and/or
dominated by, men. It really goes against their grain; and if
the women's suffrage movement that took place in America's early
1900's were to be thoroughly analyzed, it would not surprise me
that women's right to vote wasn't really a political issue: it
was rebellion against male superiority; which of course is to be
expected in a world gone mad with evil.
The current "strong woman" attitude is no doubt another aspect
of that same kind of rebellion; which in reality is not only a
standing up to men, but also a standing up to God seeing as how
Gen 3:16d is a divine requirement rather than human.
Gen 3:16d isn't restricted to marriage. It regulates women's
place in church too-- all churches.
"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain
silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must
be in submission, as the Law says." (1Cor 14:34)
"If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own
husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in
church." (1Cor 14:35)
"Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire
submissiveness. I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise
authority over a man, but to remain quiet." (1Tim 2:11-14)
My guess is that the purpose of Gen 3:16d is mostly to
discourage wives from making life-changing decisions on their
own, independent of their husband's feelings about it. I mean;
if Eve had first consulted with her husband to see what he
thought of the Serpent's discussion before tasting the fruit,
things may have turned out quite differently.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 15, 2019, 11:01 am
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● Gen 3:17a . .To Adam He said: Because you did as your
wife said, and ate of the tree about which I commanded you; "You
shall not eat of it"
A portion of God's gripe with Adam was that he put a subordinate
creature's wishes over and above the wishes of the creature's
superior; thus forcing God to compete for Adam's loyalty; i.e. a
rival. Unfortunately, when it comes to choosing between pleasing
women or pleasing God; men all too often sell their souls to the
women. (cf. Luke 14:26)
● Gen 3:17b . . Cursed be the ground because of you
That was unexpected; it isn't specifically listed in Gen 2:17 as
a consequence for tasting the forbidden fruit.
Not only would Man himself be effected by a curse upon the
ground, but every living thing that depends upon the ground for
its survival would be effected too; from lowly nematodes and
earthworms right on up to the top of the food chain. The whole
animal world, and all the seed-bearing plant life too, would
suffer collateral damages for Adam's mistake.
God somehow manipulated the soil's fertility so that it now no
longer produces as well as it did in the beginning. The abundant
swarms of life that God created in the beginning would, at that
point, begin to thin out as the competition for available
natural food stuffs would begin to intensify.
● Gen 3:17c . . By toil shall you eat of it all the days
of your life
Adam was no stranger to work because God already had him tending
the garden. But matters worsened with a new ingredient. The word
for "toil" is from 'itstsabown (its-tsaw-bone') and means the
very same thing as it did in Gen 3:16.
The element of 'itstsabown took some of the pleasure out of
Adam's existence. Where before his daily routine was relatively
care-free, now he'd begin to worry and fret over things that are
especially pertinent to farmers e.g. weather, insects, and plant
diseases; which, among farmers, are common causes of anxiety and
feelings of insecurity.
● Gen 3:18a . . thorns and thistles shall it sprout for
you.
God finished the entire cosmos in six days; and no more creating
took place after that because He's been on sabbatical ever since
day 7, so thorns and thistles already existed prior to the
events of chapter 3.
But in the beginning, noxious plants doubtless weren't so
dominant. Today they're a nuisance because if ground is left
fallow, it will soon be covered with dock, mustard, dandelion,
chaparral, wild flowers, brambles, reed canary grass, and stuff
like that. Those kinds of plants may be okay for wildlife, but
humanity needs something quite a bit more nutritious.
● Gen 3:18b . . and your food shall be the grasses of the
field;
Apparently Adam was a fruitarian at first, and then his diet
later expanded to include other kinds of vegetation. However, I
don't think Man is supposed to graze on pasture like buffalo or
deer and elk. Many of the grasses God intended for him to eat
fall into the food group we call cereals; which are raised
primarily for their grain; e.g. corn, wheat, oats, and rice; et
al. In their natural form-- whole grain --cereals are a rich
source of vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, fats, oils, and
protein. After refinement grains are pretty much good for
nothing but carbs.
● Gen 3:19a . . By the sweat of your brow shall you get
bread to eat,
Adam was given a farm complete with orchards already in place
and producing before he came along; all he had to do was take
care of it. But now, if he wanted a farm, he was going to have
to make one of his own, on his own; from scratch. Plus he'll be
faced with stubborn soil that needs plowing, sowing, and
weeding. Very few natural grains exist abundantly in nature.
These days; if he wants them in any sizable amount, Man has to
farm.
Those of us who live in 9 to 5 leisure-intensive America really
don't appreciate just how laborious and time consuming the work
is to grow your own food. Early humanity's days were hard.
They're still hard in many developing countries. Adam had to get
out there with a hoe and a plow to provide for his family.
Today, only about 2% in the USA work the soil for a living.
● Gen 3:19b . . until you return to the ground-- for from
it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall
return.
Did God have to smite Adam in order for him to stop living? No;
it was only necessary to deny Adam access to the tree of life
and let nature and hard work take their toll. In other words:
since he was no longer immortal, it would be only a matter of
time before Adam simply gave out and passed away from wear and
tear and old age.
But what happened to Adam when his body returned to dust? Did he
return to dust too? No; and that's because Adam wasn't entirely
organic. His body came from the soil; but according to Gen 2:7,
his consciousness came from God. The afterlife disposition of
human consciousness is one of life's greatest mysteries. Heck,
even the origin of human consciousness is mystery enough for
some, let alone where it goes when people pass away.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 16, 2019, 8:32 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:20 . .The man named his wife Eve,
because she was the mother of all the living.
Though Eve became the mother of all the living she isn't the
source of life for all the living: Adam is.
There's an important parallel to this in the New Testament where
Christ is depicted as the source of eternal life for all the
living in him; just as Adam is the source of human life for all
the living in him. (Rom 5:12-21)
There is one "living" that Eve did not produce and that's her
own self. She was constructed from a human tissue sample taken
from Adam's body; ergo: Eve got her human life from Adam; hence
any and all human life traceable to Eve is traceable to Adam.
NOTE: Most everybody on both sides of the aisle agrees that Gen
3:15's prediction refers to Christ; so we are on safe ground to
believe that he obtained his human life from Adam too just the
same as Eve and all the rest of us. (Luke 3:23-38)
The word for "mother" is from 'em (ame) which can mean a mother
in an immediate family, or the matriarch of a blood line, or the
mother (as the rootstock) of an entire nation.
The word for "Eve" is from Chavvah (khav-vaw') and means:
life-giver.
Genesis says Adam named his wife Eve because she was the
life-giver of all the living, not just a portion of the living.
Some people have a problem with that. They just can't believe
she's everybody's mother.
According to the Bible, humanity wasn't created in groups nor in
swarms like the other nephesh. The human race was created in its
entirety a singular, solo, male specimen. Every human being
since, including the first woman, came from the constitutional
elements of that one lone male.
"He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all
the face of the earth." (Acts 17:26-28)
NOTE: The Phylogenetic Tree Of Life is an interesting scientific
diagram that traces all forms of life back to a singular genetic
heritage regardless of species. In other words; if you started
with a raccoon, and followed its branch down the tree far
enough, you'd eventually intersect with another branch that you
could then trace to mushrooms. The tree is sort of the
equivalent of a Big Bang of living things.
The branch on that tree that interests me the most is the one
that traces human life. According to the diagram; any two people
you might select-- no matter what their age, race, or gender
--if traced back far enough, can eventually be linked to a
common ancestor; which of course is no surprise to Bible
students.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: Olde Tymer Date: January 17, 2019, 10:03 am
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:21 . . And the Lord God made garments
of skins for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
Precisely what species of animal God slaughtered in order to
make the Adams their first suit of real clothing is unknown.
That day, humans learned something about the advantages of
leather goods. Most of it is produced from cattle hides:
calfskin, goatskin, kidskin, sheepskin, and lambskin. Other
hides and skins used include those of the horse, pig, kangaroo,
deer, crocodile, alligator, seal, walrus, and of late; python.
Humans have used animal skins for a variety of practical
purposes since ancient times, and to this good day leather is
still a useful material all around the world.
The exact cut and design of their garments isn't specified; the
Hebrew words kethoneth (keth-o'-neth) and/or kuttoneth
(koot-to'-neth) just indicate a shirt, or covering; as hanging
from the shoulder.
A garment hanging from the shoulder indicates that Eve's topless
days were over; although that wouldn't necessarily rule out the
possibility that she may have become the Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel
of her day and created some interesting necklines.
The garments actually facilitated the people's association with
God. They were unbearably uncomfortable around their maker in
the buff, even in the semi-buff, and that was principally the
reason they hid from the Lord when He came calling. However, fig
leaves aren't very durable; they're merely an expedient. God
showed them a much better way-- actually a way they would never
have thought of all by themselves because who would have guessed
that animals could be killed and stripped of their hides for
clothing until God showed them?
The point to note is that the clothing humanity's maker crafted
for the Adams didn't cost them one red cent nor did they have to
contribute even the slightest bit of labor to its construction.
God slaughtered the animals, treated the hides, and fabricated
the garments Himself; and gave the clothing to them totally free
of charge and no strings attached. However, I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if the couple watched how God went about the whole
business so they'd know how to take care of themselves.
NOTE: They'd eventually have to know how to make fire; no doubt
God showed them how to do that too.
I believe God went to all that trouble for a couple of reasons.
First; because He wasn't indifferent to their situation; rather,
God felt compassion for the Adams-- defined as sympathetic
consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to
alleviate it. And secondly; He didn't want anything hampering
His association with the humans. In other words, Adam's
felt-shame and embarrassment over undress was a barrier between
himself and his maker, so God showed him a really good way to
overcome it: a way that not only improved the quality of Adam's
association with God; but also greatly enhanced his limited
survival skills.
● Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has
become as one of us
Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God (Gen
1:26-27). But that image and likeness stopped short of "one of
us". In other words: humanity didn't come from the hand of God
as an equal; i.e. though humanity was given the status of divine
beings; humans are imitations rather than actual deities-- true
gods are impervious to death, humans die like flies. (Ps 82:6-7)
Seeing as how humanity wasn't created "as one of us" then we're
safe to conclude that humanity made itself "one of us"; i.e.
made itself an autonomous deity setting its own standards of
right and wrong.
Unfortunately humanity, as an autonomous deity, isn't God's
associate, rather, His competitor; i.e. a rival sheik so to
speak.
From the limited amount of information we're given, it's readily
seen that it's fairly easy to make one's self an autonomous
deity; it's only necessary to rebel against constituted
authority; viz: go your own way instead of complying with the
laws, rules, and dictates of a higher power; viz: anarchy. (cf.
Judg 17:6 and Isa 53:6)
● Gen 3:22b . . discerning good and evil,
Discerning good and evil isn't a bad thing per se; that is; if
it's an instructed discernment rather than a natural, intuitive
discernment. (Rom 12:2 and Heb 5:13-14)
● Gen 3:22c . . what if he should stretch out his hand and
take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever!
Adam contracted mortality from the other tree. Had God allowed
him access to the tree of life, it's fruit would've healed the
mortality infecting his body and restored it to immortality.
The thing is: God predicted Adam's demise; so in order to ensure
that the prediction came to pass; God had to cut off his access
to the tree of life; which is a pretty interesting tree seeing
as how it's not only an elixir, but also a remedy for whatever
ails you. (Rev 22:2)
NOTE: The Old Testament Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't
always indicate infinity. Normally it just means perpetual as
"in perpetuity" viz: indefinitely; which Webster's defines as:
having no exact limits.
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Re: A Journey Thru Genesis
By: guest8 Date: January 17, 2019, 11:02 am
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=282.msg3236#msg3236
date=1547741031]
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[font=arial]● Gen 3:21 . . And the Lord God made garments
of skins for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
Precisely what species of animal God slaughtered in order to
make the Adams their first suit of real clothing is unknown.
That day, humans learned something about the advantages of
leather goods. Most of it is produced from cattle hides:
calfskin, goatskin, kidskin, sheepskin, and lambskin. Other
hides and skins used include those of the horse, pig, kangaroo,
deer, crocodile, alligator, seal, walrus, and of late; python.
Humans have used animal skins for a variety of practical
purposes since ancient times, and to this good day leather is
still a useful material all around the world.
The exact cut and design of their garments isn't specified; the
Hebrew words kethoneth (keth-o'-neth) and/or kuttoneth
(koot-to'-neth) just indicate a shirt, or covering; as hanging
from the shoulder.
A garment hanging from the shoulder indicates that Eve's topless
days were over; although that wouldn't necessarily rule out the
possibility that she may have become the Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel
of her day and created some interesting necklines.
The garments actually facilitated the people's association with
God. They were unbearably uncomfortable around their maker in
the buff, even in the semi-buff, and that was principally the
reason they hid from the Lord when He came calling. However, fig
leaves aren't very durable; they're merely an expedient. God
showed them a much better way-- actually a way they would never
have thought of all by themselves because who would have guessed
that animals could be killed and stripped of their hides for
clothing until God showed them?
The point to note is that the clothing humanity's maker crafted
for the Adams didn't cost them one red cent nor did they have to
contribute even the slightest bit of labor to its construction.
God slaughtered the animals, treated the hides, and fabricated
the garments Himself; and gave the clothing to them totally free
of charge and no strings attached. However, I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if the couple watched how God went about the whole
business so they'd know how to take care of themselves.
NOTE: They'd eventually have to know how to make fire; no doubt
God showed them how to do that too.
I believe God went to all that trouble for a couple of reasons.
First; because He wasn't indifferent to their situation; rather,
God felt compassion for the Adams-- defined as sympathetic
consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to
alleviate it. And secondly; He didn't want anything hampering
His association with the humans. In other words, Adam's
felt-shame and embarrassment over undress was a barrier between
himself and his maker, so God showed him a really good way to
overcome it: a way that not only improved the quality of Adam's
association with God; but also greatly enhanced his limited
survival skills.
● Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has
become as one of us
Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God (Gen
1:26-27). But that image and likeness stopped short of "one of
us". In other words: humanity didn't come from the hand of God
as an equal; i.e. though humanity was given the status of divine
beings; humans are imitations rather than actual deities-- true
gods are impervious to death, humans die like flies. (Ps 82:6-7)
Seeing as how humanity wasn't created "as one of us" then we're
safe to conclude that humanity made itself "one of us"; i.e.
made itself an autonomous deity setting its own standards of
right and wrong.
Unfortunately humanity, as an autonomous deity, isn't God's
associate, rather, His competitor; i.e. a rival sheik so to
speak.
From the limited amount of information we're given, it's readily
seen that it's fairly easy to make one's self an autonomous
deity; it's only necessary to rebel against constituted
authority; viz: go your own way instead of complying with the
laws, rules, and dictates of a higher power; viz: anarchy. (cf.
Judg 17:6 and Isa 53:6)
● Gen 3:22b . . discerning good and evil,
Discerning good and evil isn't a bad thing per se; that is; if
it's an instructed discernment rather than a natural, intuitive
discernment. (Rom 12:2 and Heb 5:13-14)
● Gen 3:22c . . what if he should stretch out his hand and
take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever!
The Old Testament Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't
always indicate infinity. Normally it just means perpetual as
"in perpetuity" viz: indefinitely; which Webster's defines as:
having no exact limits.
The thing is: God predicted Adam's demise; so in order to ensure
that the prediction came to pass; God had to cut off his access
to the tree of life; which is a pretty interesting tree seeing
as how it's not only an elixir, but also a remedy for whatever
ails you. (Rev 22:2)
The tree of life didn't contain enough nutrients to give Adam
eternal life. It couldn't even give him immortality. But the
tree could've given Adam perpetual youth; but even then, only so
long as he supplemented his diet with regular doses of it; for
example: I have an under-active thyroid gland that if left
untreated would eventuate in my untimely death. But so long as I
continue to supplement my diet with a prescribed daily dose of a
medication called levoxyl, I can expect to live to a normal old
age.
However; I can't get by on just one dose of levoxyl, nor can I
take a lifetime of doses all at once. Levoxyl has to be taken a
little at a time on a daily basis. What I'm saying is: as long
as Adam supplemented his diet with nutrients from that tree on a
regular basis; he wouldn't die of natural causes; thus he had
the potential to remain forever twenty-one. But that was not to
be since God had already decreed that Adam lose his life for
disobeying an explicit command when he was fully apprised of the
consequences for doing so.
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[shadow=blue,left]You Said:"A garment hanging from the shoulder
indicates that Eve's topless days were over; although that
wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility that she may have
become the Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel of her day and created some
interesting necklines.
Seeing as how humanity wasn't created "as one of us" then we're
safe to conclude that humanity made itself "one of us"; i.e.
made itself an autonomous deity setting its own standards of
right and wrong."
No, The morals we of True Believers go by those morals God gave
us. In Eden, He had one commandment and that was not to eat of
the Tree of Knowledge. EVE and then ADAM did eat and brought
upon evil(Sin) for everyone of us from birth.
Mankind would like to think it is an autonomous Diety but there
will be a day of reckoning for those non-believers, Rev 4:1 ->
20:11-14.
In the, OT the necklines of women were covered up as just
showing the lower legs was considered indecent.
Your view of Genesis is skewed by your religious doctrine, not
by the WORD of GOD.
Have a good day SIR:
Blade[/shadow]
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