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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest58 Date: March 3, 2020, 3:17 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10766#msg10766
date=1583184527]
Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?
Very dangerous territory
Blade[/quote]
Aren't you cute... misrepresenting me. Hoping I'll get mad and
quit?
NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from Adam that
blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to deny that
that is what their doctrine means!!!
If you listen very carefully you will hear me say,
ONLY BY A FREE WILL DECISION TO REBEL AGAINST GOD AND HIS LAW
CAN ANYONE ACCRUE SINFULNESS UNTO THEMSELVES!!!
I have never said anything else...
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest8 Date: March 3, 2020, 9:31 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=281.msg10784#msg10784
date=1583270278]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10766#msg10766
date=1583184527]
Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?
Very dangerous territory
Blade[/quote]
Aren't you cute... misrepresenting me. Hoping I'll get mad and
quit?
NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from Adam that
blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to deny that
that is what their doctrine means!!!
If you listen very carefully you will hear me say,
ONLY BY A FREE WILL DECISION TO REBEL AGAINST GOD AND HIS LAW
CAN ANYONE ACCRUE SINFULNESS UNTO THEMSELVES!!!
I have never said anything else...
[/quote]
TED...I would never do that to you or anyone....
You said"NO, it is the vile doctrine of our inheriting sin from
Adam that blames GOD for our sin but then panics and tries to
deny that that is what their doctrine means!!!"
OK, If GOD set up two parts, Good and the Evil and He made Man
pure and GOOD. Then for the love of EVE, Adam sinned against
GOD.
As long as Adam stayed on the straight and narrow, they would
remain pure....BUT when He sinned, he (Adam) brought the "Sin
Nature" on all mankind up to today and probably through
tomorrow, so on and so forth.
Why would the 'sin nature' blame GOD....if all Adam had to do
was obey GOD...
Blade
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest58 Date: March 4, 2020, 11:54 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10785#msg10785
date=1583292670]
OK, If GOD set up two parts, Good and the Evil and He made Man
pure and GOOD. Then for the love of EVE, Adam sinned against
GOD. [/quote]I agree Adam sinned for love of Eve just as Eve
sinned for the love of the serpent...They are the antitypes for
the type of those elect, that is the Eves, who rebelled against
the call for the judgment because of love for some of the ones
to be judged and the Adam's who refused to accept that their
friends, the now sinful Eves, could be trusted to GOD's tender
mercy so they entered into sin with them to accompany them
through their tribulations.
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10785#msg10785
date=1583292670]As long as Adam stayed on the straight and
narrow, they would remain pure....BUT when He sinned, he (Adam)
brought the "Sin Nature" on all mankind up to today and probably
through tomorrow, so on and so forth.
Why would the 'sin nature' blame GOD....if all Adam had to do
was obey GOD...Blade[/quote]
I did not say the sin nature blames GOD in any way since it is a
natural consequence of choosing sin.
But the doctrine that our sin nature is inherited from Adam
brings blame upon GOD for our sin because
1. we had no choice but to have a sin nature, that is, it was
by HIS will, not ours, we got a sin nature and
2. HE created the system whereby we would get a sin nature
through no fault of our own and
3. there was no theological necessity for HIM to make us, HIS
Bride, as corrupt and grossly evil in Adam and
4. to do so does NOT fit in the least with HIS self revealed
character as loving, righteous and just, thereby bringing HIS
good Name into disrepute.
Since we made no choice and had no say in our being created evil
by means of inheriting sin from Adam, under this doctrine GOD
must carry the blame for all sin except Adam's and Eve's sin,
and for all the attenuating suffering and for every human in
hell and the disrepute these things bring upon HIM.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: March 11, 2020, 11:37 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=281.msg10716#msg10716
date=1582968216]
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[/quote]
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: March 24, 2020, 10:48 pm
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest58 Date: March 25, 2020, 11:58 am
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Are we warriors in the battle or the cause of it all?
The parable of the weeds, Matt 13:24-30 with the explanation
(ie, no metaphor or typology at all, just plain facts) in verses
36-43 ending with: He who has ears, let him hear. which hints
that this explanation has some hard things to hear, ie, to
accept,
tells us that the judgement has been postponed until the good
seed (elect) are made holy: 28So the servants asked him, ‘Do you
want us to go and pull them up?’ [ie, bring the judgement upon
them?]
29 ‘NO,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot
the wheat with them. [or the judgment will destroy those under
the election promise of salvation] 30 Let both grow together
until the harvest. [ie, the time of the maturity of the seed and
the only maturity that saves one from judgement is holiness]
Iow, if the elect had not chosen to be evil in HIS sight, the
judgement would have been called the instant they sinned the
unforgivable sin, n'est-ce pas?
And how does GOD bring HIS sinful but legitimate children, the
good seed, to righteousness? By painful discipline which in
physical terms is akin to being whipped by the the cat of nine
tails called the scourge in Heb 12:5-11, esp V6For the Lord
disciplines the one He loves, and He SCOURGES every son He
receives.
Thus the sinful Christian ie the one that is not fully repentant
nor completely perfect in holiness is getting beats from his
Father as well as the devil to get him to turn against the
Father which suggest a certain adjustment of attitude is in
order, eh?
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: May 19, 2020, 2:54 am
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: June 1, 2020, 8:18 am
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest8 Date: June 1, 2020, 7:45 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=281.msg13833#msg13833
date=1591017500]
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[/quote]
Pride will do it everytime.
Blade
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: July 1, 2020, 9:11 pm
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Expectations of the Antichrist - Session 1 - Chuck Missler
1 hour
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjqWb9Gxh18
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