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Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: December 13, 2018, 10:19 pm
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First, I will not use a capital s for the name of satan. I
believe that satan rebelled because he was terribly jealous of
Adam. What do you think?
Ezekiel 28 King James Version (KJV)
28 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord
God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am
a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet
thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the
heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that
they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten
thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased
thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine
heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the
terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords
against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy
brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the
deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but
thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth
thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of
strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and
say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum,
full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious
stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the
beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and
the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of
thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast
created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set
thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast
walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast
created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the
midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I
will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will
destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of
fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast
corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast
thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may
behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine
iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I
bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee,
and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of
all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished
at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any
more.
20 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
21 Son of man, set thy face against Zidon, and prophesy against
it,
22 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee,
O Zidon; and I will be glorified in the midst of thee: and they
shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have executed
judgments in her, and shall be sanctified in her.
23 For I will send into her pestilence, and blood into her
streets; and the wounded shall be judged in the midst of her by
the sword upon her on every side; and they shall know that I am
the Lord.
24 And there shall be no more a pricking brier unto the house of
Israel, nor any grieving thorn of all that are round about them,
that despised them; and they shall know that I am the Lord God.
25 Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house
of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and
shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then
shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant
Jacob.
26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses,
and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when
I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round
about them; and they shall know that I am the Lord their God.
King James Version (KJV)
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest24 Date: December 15, 2018, 10:25 am
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I'm thinking satan was jealous of both man and God and maybe
even their relationship. Which should tell us a lot about what
kind of relationship we should strive for with the Living God.
Just a thought for what it's worth.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: Theo102 Date: December 25, 2018, 11:03 pm
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The idea on an adversary rebelling against anything is an
artificial construct. The angel of Numbers 22:22 was an
adversary/satan against Balaam, but the idea of rebellion isn't
present there.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: January 21, 2019, 2:04 pm
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The 4 FALLS of SATAN: The Dragon's Fall from Glorified to the
Lake of Fire
The Bible speaks of 4 falls of Satan. This leads me to theorize
that Satan was created with a body, and that he lost his body in
the first fall (Ezekiel 28). The second fall will be from the
heavenly realms, as a spirit, strictly bound to earth
(Revelation 12). Then the third fall will be from this earth
state, into the prison in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20).
And finally, he will go from the pit to the lake of fire, but
only after he is released for a short while (Revelation 20). All
of this leads me to believe that Satan, the dragon, will present
himself as the alien savior or some kind of creator being from
outer space. He will then give the authority to the beast and
the false prophet.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: patrick jane Date: February 29, 2020, 3:23 am
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest58 Date: February 29, 2020, 11:20 am
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Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our
conception, Satan included.
I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the
spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in
HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy
or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in.
When I read in Co 1:23 that the gospel of GOD and HIS salvation
from sin was proclaimed, preached, (a finished activity in the
past), to every creature/person under heaven, that is, ever
created, and realised this has never been fulfilled on earth as
new people are supposedly being created every day so they have
not heard this declaration...I understood this verse to support
the contentions that all spirits created in HIS image were
created at the same time before the creation of the physical
universe.
In light of the blasphemy of unconditional election and
non-election, this also gave me the reason for the choice of HIS
electing to heaven those who responded to this proclamation by
putting their faith in HIM and HIS gospel and passing over for
election those who rejected HIS claim to be our GOD and HIS
gospel of salvation.
I also do not see any possibility for anyone rebelling against
GOD if they saw or knew HIM in HIS glory. Sinners die when they
see HIS glory, who would bask in that glory and chose to rebel
against HIM ? ...it is not possible. Therefore it is obvious
that any rebellion against HIM had to have been made against HIS
claims before any proof of HIS divinity, power or glory was
given.
Why did Satan rebel? He chose to put his faith in the idea that
YHWH was a liar and a false god out of jealousy of HIM and HIS
claims to be the sole divine GOD and arbiter of all
righteousness and judge of all evil. He repudiated these claims
knowing that if YHWH ever proved HE was indeed our creator GOD
that he would be damned.
He even refused to take the out which the sinful elect chose to
take of first declaring their faith in HIM as their saviour so
as to become elect to heaven and therefore safe from hell THEN
going their own way in rebellion to HIM, as unworthy of his
commitment against this most evil of all persons, the first
person to sin in all of creation, YHWH.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest8 Date: March 1, 2020, 10:19 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=281.msg10726#msg10726
date=1582996817]
Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our
conception, Satan included.
I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the
spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in
HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy
or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in.
When I read in Co 1:23 that the gospel of GOD and HIS salvation
from sin was proclaimed, preached, (a finished activity in the
past), to every creature/person under heaven, that is, ever
created, and realised this has never been fulfilled on earth as
new people are supposedly being created every day so they have
not heard this declaration...I understood this verse to support
the contentions that all spirits created in HIS image were
created at the same time before the creation of the physical
universe.
In light of the blasphemy of unconditional election and
non-election, this also gave me the reason for the choice of HIS
electing to heaven those who responded to this proclamation by
putting their faith in HIM and HIS gospel and passing over for
election those who rejected HIS claim to be our GOD and HIS
gospel of salvation.
I also do not see any possibility for anyone rebelling against
GOD if they saw or knew HIM in HIS glory. Sinners die when they
see HIS glory, who would bask in that glory and chose to rebel
against HIM ? ...it is not possible. Therefore it is obvious
that any rebellion against HIM had to have been made against HIS
claims before any proof of HIS divinity, power or glory was
given.
Why did Satan rebel? He chose to put his faith in the idea that
YHWH was a liar and a false god out of jealousy of HIM and HIS
claims to be the sole divine GOD and arbiter of all
righteousness and judge of all evil. He repudiated these claims
knowing that if YHWH ever proved HE was indeed our creator GOD
that he would be damned.
He even refused to take the out which the sinful elect chose to
take of first declaring their faith in HIM as their saviour so
as to become elect to heaven and therefore safe from hell THEN
going their own way in rebellion to HIM, as unworthy of his
commitment against this most evil of all persons, the first
person to sin in all of creation, YHWH.
[/quote]
you said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our
conception, Satan included.
I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the
spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in
HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy
or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."
We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was
brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know
and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and
go to Heaven..
Blade
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest58 Date: March 2, 2020, 11:15 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10739#msg10739
date=1583122755]
You said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our
conception, Satan included.
I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the
spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in
HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy
or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."
We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was
brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know
and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and
go to Heaven..
Blade[/quote] We can always count on you to give us the orthodox
whitewash version of how GOD creates us evil without GOD
creating us evil...and never a hint of the cognitive dissonance
most people get from this kind of doublethink, sigh.
Sin nature or evil in sin --- it all washes out to the same
meaning that our sinfulness comes from GOD not from any free
will decision of ourselves to sin and if GOD does not save us
from our inheritance from Adam, we end in hell.
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest8 Date: March 2, 2020, 3:28 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=281.msg10763#msg10763
date=1583169322]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=281.msg10739#msg10739
date=1583122755]
You said:"Since we are born sinful from conception and
since we can only accrue sin by a free will decision,
it is obvious that we chose to be sinful previous to our
conception, Satan included.
I find the distinction between the spirits of heaven and the
spirits of humans to be a false one. All spirits were created in
HIS image were separated into groups by their choices to be holy
or sinful and by what sin they chose to indulge in."
We are born with a Sin Nature. It is what we do "sin" This was
brought on by ADAM. Regardless of how it started ( I do not know
and neither do you), we may eventually find out when we die and
go to Heaven..
Blade[/quote] We can always count on you to give us the orthodox
whitewash version of how GOD creates us evil without GOD
creating us evil...and never a hint of the cognitive dissonance
most people get from this kind of doublethink, sigh.
Sin nature or evil in sin --- it all washes out to the same
meaning that our sinfulness comes from GOD not from any free
will decision of ourselves to sin and if GOD does not save us
from our inheritance from Adam, we end in hell.
[/quote]
Oh, so yo blame your sins on GOD..He made you do it?
Very dangerous territory
Blade
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Re: Why Did satan Rebel Against God?
By: guest17 Date: March 3, 2020, 9:21 am
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Because he thought he knew better than the Most High God how
things should be done which was his way. He wanted to be
worshipped. So he and his minions try to get people to have
doubts about the Most High God, to lose their faith in Him, and
to believe and do things his way. He uses various methods to
accomplish this and they are the same methods he has used from
the beginning. Just like with Adam and Eve, he planted seeds of
doubt. He basically called God a liar and said that He was
withholding knowledge and that they could be like gods having
power, wealth and enlightenment. He is still deceiving people to
this day using the same methods. He was a liar from the
beginning and a murderer. He is a destroyer of everything that
is good and pure and innocent. His ways are evil and
destruction. He wants people to see good as evil and evil as
good. Total rebellion against the Most High God.
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