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#Post#: 187--------------------------------------------------
A Fractured Community
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 8, 2018, 2:43 pm
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I’ll get right down to it. There are over 40,000 Christian
denominations and that number grows every year.
I’ve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and
centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.
Love is the only equational answer that really matters. I
actually took the time to study up on the current persistent
doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion I’ve always had
was validated.
Two doctrines are exalted above all others there. One doctrine
demands that its adherents deny the existence of an actual
Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we should
limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited. The doctrine
goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates, as well.
Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.
The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.
Some say he was just a man. Some say He’s God. Some have
complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and
systematic study of adoption. Some say he was an Angel.
Here’s the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these
differences. The joke is always on us.
Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus
Christ. This is a pretty important point.
Is “Teaching” (doctrine) important? Yes. But, even teaching
becomes useless when Hate enters the picture. I’ll be sincere,
I use words when I speak that would offend many people.
However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words
towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.
This is the core of minding our speech. I’m certain that Satan
aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to
implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us. (ALL
Humanity)
Where there is discord, I’m growing to believe that the devils
agenda is being satiated. I don’t have to be in agreement with
someone to Love them. On the flip side of the coin, when being
perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that
intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.
What is my point?
My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about God’s
mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a refreshing
study of how we are supposed to communicate with people that
intentionally seek to bring discord, division and contention
into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ. I need to develop
a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that
unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier
part of this OP.
I’ll close with a song I seriously enjoy. The Lyrics are there
if the type of music doesn’t appeal to your particular taste.
[spoiler]I know you've tried
To satisfy
Your appetite
For too long
You wonder why
You are alive
You've lived a lie
For too long
So now you're done
Life isn't fun
Anymore
What's this life for?
These are not
Only words to a song
Come to me
You're forgiven now
You're washed by Blood
From deep inside
You're not a prisoner of your old life
Washed by Blood
A brand new start
It's time that I rebuild your heart
I paid your price
I sacrificed
My human life
All for you
Come to the light
You will shine bright
You'll never die
That's the truth
Cuz I have sworn
You'll be reborn
If you choose
What's there to lose?
Wash away
All the pain
With the blood
No more shame
Understand
Who you are
And what your life is
For
I am Taking over from now on
You can't escape don't even try to run
I can't just sit and watch you die no more
You will begin to learn what life is for
I've
Chosen this Time
To change your Mind
So you will Find Your Way Back Home
Where you belong
Your heart of Stone
Will start to Feel Love From Now On
True
Live for me and you will see your life will be so worry free
Say goodbye to your old life give me a try
Be Alive
There shall be no more Death Nor
Sorrow Nor Crying
There shall be no more pain
For the former things have passed away
You're washed by Blood
From deep inside
You're not a prisoner of your old life
Come fly away With me
You know I love you
HTML https://youtu.be/4ciBGdY6T3k[/spoiler]
If anyone would like to assist me in building the “Love Style”
debate stance, I’m all ears and hope for scripture and suggested
ideas.
#Post#: 188--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 8, 2018, 3:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Sasha link ---
>
> I’ll get right down to it. There are over 40,000 Christian
denominations and that number grows every year.
>
> I’ve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and
centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.
>
> Love is the only equational answer that really matters. I
actually took the time to study up on the current persistent
doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion I’ve always had
was validated.
>
> Two doctrines are exalted above all others there. One
doctrine demands that its adherents deny the existence of an
actual Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we
should limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited. The
doctrine goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates,
as well.
>
> Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.
>
> The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.
Some say he was just a man. Some say He’s God. Some have
complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and
systematic study of adoption. Some say he was an Angel.
>
> Here’s the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these
differences. The joke is always on us.
>
> Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus
Christ. This is a pretty important point.
>
> Is “Teaching” (doctrine) important? Yes. But, even teaching
becomes useless when Hate enters the picture. I’ll be sincere,
I use words when I speak that would offend many people.
However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words
towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.
This is the core of minding our speech. I’m certain that Satan
aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to
implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us. (ALL
Humanity)
>
> Where there is discord, I’m growing to believe that the devils
agenda is being satiated. I don’t have to be in agreement with
someone to Love them. On the flip side of the coin, when being
perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that
intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.
>
> What is my point?
>
> My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about
God’s mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a
refreshing study of how we are supposed to communicate with
people that intentionally seek to bring discord, division and
contention into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ. I need
to develop a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that
unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier
part of this OP.
>
> I’ll close with a song I seriously enjoy. The Lyrics are
there if the type of music doesn’t appeal to your particular
taste.
>
> [spoiler]I know you've tried
> To satisfy
> Your appetite
> For too long
> You wonder why
> You are alive
> You've lived a lie
> For too long
> So now you're done
> Life isn't fun
> Anymore
> What's this life for?
>
> These are not
> Only words to a song
> Come to me
> You're forgiven now
> You're washed by Blood
> From deep inside
> You're not a prisoner of your old life
> Washed by Blood
> A brand new start
> It's time that I rebuild your heart
>
> I paid your price
> I sacrificed
> My human life
> All for you
> Come to the light
> You will shine bright
> You'll never die
> That's the truth
> Cuz I have sworn
> You'll be reborn
> If you choose
> What's there to lose?
>
> Wash away
> All the pain
> With the blood
> No more shame
> Understand
> Who you are
> And what your life is
> For
>
> I am Taking over from now on
> You can't escape don't even try to run
> I can't just sit and watch you die no more
> You will begin to learn what life is for
> I've
> Chosen this Time
> To change your Mind
> So you will Find Your Way Back Home
> Where you belong
> Your heart of Stone
> Will start to Feel Love From Now On
> True
> Live for me and you will see your life will be so worry free
> Say goodbye to your old life give me a try
> Be Alive
> There shall be no more Death Nor
> Sorrow Nor Crying
> There shall be no more pain
> For the former things have passed away
> You're washed by Blood
> From deep inside
> You're not a prisoner of your old life
>
> Come fly away With me
> You know I love you
>
>
HTML https://youtu.be/4ciBGdY6T3k[/spoiler]
>
> If anyone would like to assist me in building the “Love Style”
debate stance, I’m all ears and hope for scripture and suggested
ideas.
>
--- End Quote ---
Personally, i’d Like to see Christians stop making every attempt
they can to charge a brother and sister with heresy at the first
sign of disagreement lol. We’ve all kinda become fluent at using
scripture to shut down one belief while championing our own
brand of faith. I’ve often wondered if the Bible was allowed to
be understood the way it has, to actually encourage different
types of thinkers in Christianity? Sometimes you need a guy to
think outside of the box before you can solve a problem.
#Post#: 191--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 8, 2018, 6:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=Sasha link=topic=28.msg187#msg187
date=1533757397]
> I’ll get right down to it. There are over 40,000 Christian
denominations and that number grows every year.
>
> I’ve attempted to shift doctrine, coerce individuals and
centralize the focus on Jesus every since I was genuinely saved.
>
> Love is the only equational answer that really matters. I
actually took the time to study up on the current persistent
doctrine of the church of Satan and a suspicion I’ve always had
was validated.
>
> Two doctrines are exalted above all others there. One
doctrine demands that its adherents deny the existence of an
actual Satan, while the other goes to lengths to explain that we
should limit our Love as our ability to Love is limited. The
doctrine goes on to say Love is only genuine if a person hates,
as well.
>
> Now for a topic shift that goes hand in hand with that point.
>
> The deepest fracture in Christianity comes from Christology.
Some say he was just a man. Some say He’s God. Some have
complex belief systems that draw from lingual exegesis and
systematic study of adoption. Some say he was an Angel.
>
> Here’s the thing, a spiritual fist fight breaks out over these
differences. The joke is always on us.
>
> Christians are told they will be known by their Love by Jesus
Christ. This is a pretty important point.
>
> Is “Teaching” (doctrine) important? Yes. But, even teaching
becomes useless when Hate enters the picture. I’ll be sincere,
I use words when I speak that would offend many people.
However, I have become growingly aware that my actions and words
towards other people have enormous potential to build them up.
This is the core of minding our speech. I’m certain that Satan
aches to erase that God Simultaneously gave His life and Son to
implore all to believe how deeply He Loves each of us. (ALL
Humanity)
>
> Where there is discord, I’m growing to believe that the devils
agenda is being satiated. I don’t have to be in agreement with
someone to Love them. On the flip side of the coin, when being
perpetually cognizant of building others up, people that
intentionally rip others apart stick out like a sore thumb.
>
> What is my point?
>
> My point is that I need to immerse myself into study about
God’s mercy, Love and Compassion, then chase it with a
refreshing study of how we are supposed to communicate with
people that intentionally seek to bring discord, division and
contention into atmospheres of Love and Unity in Christ. I need
to develop a debate style that is based on Love and Honesty that
unflinchingly addresses the issues I addressed in the earlier
part of this OP.
>
> I’ll close with a song I seriously enjoy. The Lyrics are
there if the type of music doesn’t appeal to your particular
taste.
>
> [spoiler]I know you've tried
> To satisfy
> Your appetite
> For too long
> You wonder why
> You are alive
> You've lived a lie
> For too long
> So now you're done
> Life isn't fun
> Anymore
> What's this life for?
>
> These are not
> Only words to a song
> Come to me
> You're forgiven now
> You're washed by Blood
> From deep inside
> You're not a prisoner of your old life
> Washed by Blood
> A brand new start
> It's time that I rebuild your heart
>
> I paid your price
> I sacrificed
> My human life
> All for you
> Come to the light
> You will shine bright
> You'll never die
> That's the truth
> Cuz I have sworn
> You'll be reborn
> If you choose
> What's there to lose?
>
> Wash away
> All the pain
> With the blood
> No more shame
> Understand
> Who you are
> And what your life is
> For
>
> I am Taking over from now on
> You can't escape don't even try to run
> I can't just sit and watch you die no more
> You will begin to learn what life is for
> I've
> Chosen this Time
> To change your Mind
> So you will Find Your Way Back Home
> Where you belong
> Your heart of Stone
> Will start to Feel Love From Now On
> True
> Live for me and you will see your life will be so worry free
> Say goodbye to your old life give me a try
> Be Alive
> There shall be no more Death Nor
> Sorrow Nor Crying
> There shall be no more pain
> For the former things have passed away
> You're washed by Blood
> From deep inside
> You're not a prisoner of your old life
>
> Come fly away With me
> You know I love you
>
>
HTML https://youtu.be/4ciBGdY6T3k[/spoiler]
>
> If anyone would like to assist me in building the “Love Style”
debate stance, I’m all ears and hope for scripture and suggested
ideas.
>
--- End Quote ---
Personally, i’d Like to see Christians stop making every attempt
they can to charge a brother and sister with heresy at the first
sign of disagreement lol. We’ve all kinda become fluent at using
scripture to shut down one belief while championing our own
brand of faith. I’ve often wondered if the Bible was allowed to
be understood the way it has, to actually encourage different
types of thinkers in Christianity? Sometimes you need a guy to
think outside of the box before you can solve a problem.
[/quote]
So, I’ll go so far as to say I’m certain He allowed for
scripture to be seen from multiple angles and not for confusion,
as we know He doesn’t author confusion.
He was very plain when He gave us the Oldest and Newest command,
to Love one another. I sincerely appreciate your reply and
encouragement. Perfect Love casts out all fear and Love covers
a multitude of sins. We who are forgiven much, Love much, those
who are forgiven little Love little. That L word is the Golden
thread that runs through scripture, right next to the Lineage of
Jesus Christ.
He takes hearts of stone and turns them into fertile soil that
bares the fruits of Love to a hurting and grieved world. He
really can make Love out of nothing at all. :D
HTML https://youtu.be/qEd6QUbK2Mw
#Post#: 193--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 8, 2018, 6:37 pm
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I’m definitely not an “it can only be read one way” person. I’m
pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn the
same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons within
the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get there. I
agree, it isn’t for confusion. I think it is supposed to help
us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the time.
Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their entire
faith into a specific part of their theology. It’s like they
refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesn’t work by their
own personal definition of fairness.
#Post#: 195--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 8, 2018, 7:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> I’m definitely not an “it can only be read one way” person.
I’m pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn
the same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons
within the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get
there. I agree, it isn’t for confusion. I think it is supposed
to help us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the
time. Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their
entire faith into a specific part of their theology. It’s like
they refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesn’t work by
their own personal definition of fairness.
>
--- End Quote ---
In 1 Corinthians Paul asks if Christ is divided, but a large
portion of Christianity is singing to this anthem.
HTML https://youtu.be/WWH85xlhZbI
#Post#: 196--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 8, 2018, 8:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Sasha link ---
>
> In 1 Corinthians Paul asks if Christ is divided, but a large
portion of Chriatianity is singing to this anthem.
>
>
HTML https://youtu.be/WWH85xlhZbI
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly, Christianity is made up of different people from
different backgrounds, good! That helps us specialize in
reaching others! But we get caught up in how we’re all different
for some reason, we forget that we are Christians and focus on
being an apologist for this, that, and the other lol. Of course,
you know this and all i’m Doing is long-windedly agreeing with
you
#Post#: 198--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 8, 2018, 8:47 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> I’m definitely not an “it can only be read one way” person.
I’m pretty sure it was custom made so that all of us can learn
the same things. Some people are more keen on certain lessons
within the passages, others take a bit of extra work to get
there. I agree, it isn’t for confusion. I think it is supposed
to help us, even though we use it to fight each other all of the
time. Debating and learning is cool, but some people put their
entire faith into a specific part of their theology. It’s like
they refuse to worship or acknowledge God if He doesn’t work by
their own personal definition of fairness.
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree whole heartedly that there is a central theology people
can grow towards and at the same time patience and Love is
utterly imperative, while the fighting and snazzy apologetics
only seem to throw gasoline on the issue.
Some people will never budge from their view, but Love and
listening can go a long way towards their very spirit.
#Post#: 224--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 10, 2018, 7:13 am
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In this brief clip from our 2012 National Conference, W. Robert
Godfrey encourages us to pursue useful knowledge.
HTML https://youtu.be/o1Fk7uGYy1c
#Post#: 230--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 10, 2018, 8:47 am
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It does sometimes get to a point for me when i’m Studying or
looking at a topic and I ask myself “Am I picking up any useful
wisdom or am I really just sitting on a pile of fun facts and
trivia over here?” Not to say that the Bible is trivial, but,
sometimes I forget what actually matters and what doesn’t matter
as much. Theological study holds a great wealth of information,
sometimes I wonder if I shouldn’t start learning to sew with
camel hair lol. If I put all of my knowledge in a coffer, would
Jesus walk by and kick it over and chase me out some days?
#Post#: 240--------------------------------------------------
Re: A Fractured Community
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 10, 2018, 3:47 pm
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being emotional can be a great hindrance, I am sure God is
emotional...yet the bible is not an emotional book.
Man is in his natural state body, soul and spirit...but his
spirit is dead in trespasses and sins...so his soul takes over
in matters that relate to his inner self, it is from there that
our emotions [passions] reign supreme.
When we's saved our spirits come ALIVE
Our saved state is spirit, soul and body...we have to learn how
to walk as spiritual in the Holy Spirit keeping emotions in
their proper place.
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