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#Post#: 20454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 13, 2020, 10:02 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=238.msg20441#msg20441
date=1605288438]
> What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was
the word "LIKEWISE" in the same way women...if you go back and
see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful"
lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp
authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be
completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we
discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations
that get it wrong. But as a woman, no lone will even look at
the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what
I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to
quench the
> Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.
>
> When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live
quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet
and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a
rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my
historical teaching that I grew up with.
>
--- End Quote ---
Usurp authority is what is different.
[/quote]
LORI......Women are not to have any authority within the church.
It was during Paul's days and it is still in effect today.
Outside of the church (i.e. this forum) you are on your
own.....Yes, the Bible says to live quite and peaceful lives and
by doing the opposite (i.e. feminist, CEOs, Execs, etc.), do run
the risk that they will be guilty of not following His WORD!
Blade
#Post#: 20489--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 14, 2020, 11:04 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=238.msg20441#msg20441
date=1605288438]
> What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was
the word "LIKEWISE" in the same way women...if you go back and
see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful"
lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp
authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be
completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we
discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations
that get it wrong. But as a woman, no lone will even look at
the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what
I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to
quench the
> Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.
>
> When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live
quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet
and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a
rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my
historical teaching that I grew up with.
>
--- End Quote ---
Usurp authority is what is different.
[/quote]If I usurp my authority am I being peaceful? The answer
doesn't change if I am a man or woman but what is different is
not how to live peaceably but the newfound freedom women found
in Christ. They didn't know how to handle that new authority
that Christ gave them, so Paul taught, the same way as the
men....
#Post#: 20490--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 14, 2020, 11:14 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=238.msg20442#msg20442
date=1605294962]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=238.msg20441#msg20441
date=1605288438]
> What struck me when I did the study on woman in the church was
the word "LIKEWISE" in the same way women...if you go back and
see what Paul tells me, they are to live "quite" and "peaceful"
lives...LIKEWISE women are to be quiet and not usurp
authority...if the roles are "LIKEWISE" then they cannot be
completely different teachings, when we look at word study, we
discover the words are nearly the same, it is our translations
that get it wrong. But as a woman, no lone will even look at
the study I did except maybe my own husband who agrees with what
I found and a couple of other men who are not determined to
quench the
> Holy Spirit that flows through woman too.
>
> When someone can explain to me why when men are taught to live
quiet and peaceful lives and LIKEWISE woman are to live quiet
and peaceful lives is to be interpreted a different way with a
rational explanation, then I will be happy to return to my
historical teaching that I grew up with.
>
--- End Quote ---
Usurp authority is what is different.
[/quote]
LORI......Women are not to have any authority within the
church.[/quote] you still haven't shown me this in
scripture...and just for the record, my husband and I talked
about it and these videos this AM and he is still agreeing with
what I found which you refuse to address.
--- Quote ---
> It was during Paul's days and it is still in effect today.
Outside of the church (i.e. this forum) you are on your
own.....Yes, the Bible says to live quite and peaceful lives and
by doing the opposite (i.e. feminist, CEOs, Execs, etc.), do run
the risk that they will be guilty of not following His WORD!
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
You assert this but refuse to show it to me in scripture.
Let's take the roles in the marriage for example since that is
one argument you previously presented...The word for submitting
has two meanings...1. in the military it means the hierarchy of
command but in nonmilitary use (as in marriage) it means 2. to
work together with. This takes us back to Gen. where the woman
was given as a helpmate, but it also takes us to passages like 2
Corinthians 5:20 where we are told we are Christ's
ambassadors...(scripture interpreting scripture you know)...so
if it means to work together with, where does that disqualify
the wife from any position in the church? But we aren't done
yet...Christ is the head of the Church, not the man...so if the
woman cannot serve as say pastor because of her role in the
family, the same is true of the men in the church, only Christ
can serve as pastor since He alone is the head of the
church...so, therefore, we cannot by reason of following the
teaching through to the end, have any man as pastor.
Now before you tell me I am wrong and just repeat your stand
rather than offering substance, let me remind you that I was
totally into the traditional understanding before I actually
studied the passage and even after study I am NOT fond of women
pastors but my preference is NOT the question...what scripture
teaches is the question and repeating your assertions without
rebuttal of what I found when I studied does no good to
profitable communication on the matter.
#Post#: 20854--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: November 21, 2020, 5:09 am
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Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
Now what else could a woman desire?
They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every assistance
to.
Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
#Post#: 20874--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 21, 2020, 5:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
#Post#: 20914--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 23, 2020, 8:23 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=238.msg20854#msg20854
date=1605956942]
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
[/quote]you have yet to prove this with a careful and rightly
divided word of truth from scripture.
#Post#: 20919--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 23, 2020, 10:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=238.msg20874#msg20874
date=1606000423]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=238.msg20854#msg20854
date=1605956942]
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
[/quote]you have yet to prove this with a careful and rightly
divided word of truth from scripture.
[/quote]
NO, it is GOD's WORD and By His authority, does He tell us
this...It is up to each individual to follow those WORDs or NOT!
Blade
#Post#: 20926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 24, 2020, 8:03 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=238.msg20914#msg20914
date=1606141387]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=238.msg20874#msg20874
date=1606000423]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=238.msg20854#msg20854
date=1605956942]
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
[/quote]you have yet to prove this with a careful and rightly
divided word of truth from scripture.
[/quote]
NO, it is GOD's WORD and By His authority, does He tell us
this...It is up to each individual to follow those WORDs or NOT!
Blade
[/quote]what? Because you fail to show something in scripture
doesn't mean it is an individual thing...it is up to you to
evidence from scripture what you claim it says...
#Post#: 20927--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: November 24, 2020, 8:03 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=238.msg20854#msg20854
date=1605956942]
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
[/quote]
Well it says THE authority, it doesn't say ANY authority. A
sister can minister perfectly well while still submitting to the
overall male authority.
A wise person will recognise the gifts and unction of the Holy
Spirit and there is no male or female here.
#Post#: 20937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Can't Women Preach, Teach, or Lead in the Church??
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 24, 2020, 7:50 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=238.msg20874#msg20874
date=1606000423]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=238.msg20854#msg20854
date=1605956942]
> Wimmin are free to pray and to prophesy providing they cover
their heads ... prophecy here is to be understood as preaching.
>
> Now what else could a woman desire?
>
>
> They are not to USURP authority ... but it says nothing of men
who willing submit to the authority of a sister.
>
>
> How many times Paul in his letters greet women, commends them,
calls them FELLOW labourers with him in the gospel, leaders of
house fellowship ...
>
>
> ... to whom Paul desires that the brethren give every
assistance to.
>
>
> Who could object to being taught by Corrie ten Boom?
>
--- End Quote ---
In response to the title and some of the post above, GOD told
women they are not to have any authority within the Church
programs......We increasingly see, those words do not mean
anything to many.
Blade
[/quote]
Well it says THE authority, it doesn't say ANY authority. A
sister can minister perfectly well while still submitting to the
overall male authority.
A wise person will recognize the gifts and unction of the Holy
Spirit and there is no male or female here.
[/quote]
Then you too do not recognize the authority of GOD as His WORD!
So Sad
Blade
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