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Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 6, 2018, 5:19 pm
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> I was wondering this about others today. I’m Closest to an
open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare
bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as
if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God
through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local
churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward
politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it
was about showing others how to come to Christ. I’m really in
the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my
own while I pray to understand necessary passages in God’s own
time. I also study on another forum that I like because there
are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that
it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my
studies.
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Sorry, Jon I never really replied to your OP. I have always had
a bad taste in my mouth for certain churches and I've been to
many. Catholic masses are beautiful and organized and show
reverence for God. But I disagree strongly with catholic church
history and historic leaders and the Jesuits. I thought I was
Pentecostal for a while but couldn't get into the charismatic
fakery.
Most churches have politics and as the end days are foretold,
more will seek smaller groups of fellowship. I do not feel
closer to God by going to place with a large group of people
dressing up or even not dressing up , but there is no clear
message from the proceedings or the pastor. I get much more and
feel closer to Jesus Christ when I share scriptures and thought
of things above with friends I can trust in the comfort and
safety of my home and the computer. I get much more from reading
a few chapters of a book in the Bible than I do from most
sermons.
Don't get me wrong, I hear great sermons in church but I will
not put up with the hypocrisy and the distractions. One can only
really grow in Christ by reading and studying bit by bit and
forming your own theology, nobody else's formula. Spiritual
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#Post#: 161--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 7, 2018, 1:16 pm
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No worries Peej, actually your answer is pretty much dead on to
my own thoughts. I loved Jesus, but I started seeing the general
picture the way most outsiders did of the churches and other
Christians, I kind of saw myself becoming that and I hated it. I
came back to God despite judgemental and self righteous
Christians and churches. I eventually started to see that I am
not really the only one that has noticed how far Christianity
has fallen. I hated church and other Christians for a long time,
I still get annoyed, but I really find comfort in the fact that
the stereotypes don’t represent all of us and i’m Happy to have
made the friends and family i’m Making nowadays.
#Post#: 174--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 8, 2018, 7:59 am
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Let's ramble a little, I'm 67 so I'm entitled.
I was saved by means of an [American] gospel magazine, in my own
home...but it was dramatic. One moment I did not know God, the
next I did, one moment I had no concept of the Holy Spirit, the
next I was overflowing with His joy and power, one moment I did
not understand a jot of the bible, the next it was an open book
to me.
I read the KJV through 3 times in the first 18 months...then
read the RSV and the Living through. I still read at least a
chapter a day, sometimes more....above all else I am a bible
lover, I hate to see the twistings that go on, that's my bible,
the much loved word of my Lord.
I am finicky as heck about which theologians or teachers I
listen to, Corrie ten Boom and T.L.Osborn whose magazine it was
through who I was saved settled me in my faith....I moved away
from T.L.'s faith based theology [as indeed HE did in his later
years] toward the more stable grace teachings of
C.H.Spurgeon...though I rejects much of Calvinism. I love Joseph
Prince.
I believe the full Pentecostal whack because I got the full
Pentecostal whack...my great sadness has been that until quite
recently the Pentecostals themselves had fallen far behind and
so fellowship was difficult...I sat at the back of large
assemblies longing for revival.
I have stood with a few ministers in establishing little
evangelical enterprises and have seen souls saved and lives
turned around...great miracles. I rarely do the upfront stuff,
but I am known in certain circles...have preached in the open
air and seen souls saved, preached in London's Hyde Park. :)
There I rambled a little...there is but a scratching on the
surface of all that God has done for me...I love Him and trust
Him come what may.
#Post#: 175--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 8, 2018, 8:47 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Let's ramble a little, I'm 67 so I'm entitled.
>
> I was saved by means of an [American] gospel magazine, in my
own home...but it was dramatic. One moment I did not know God,
the next I did, one moment I had no concept of the Holy Spirit,
the next I was overflowing with His joy and power, one moment I
did not understand a jot of the bible, the next it was an open
book to me.
>
> I read the KJV through 3 times in the first 18 months...then
read the RSV and the Living through. I still read at least a
chapter a day, sometimes more....above all else I am a bible
lover, I hate to see the twistings that go on, that's my bible,
the much loved word of my Lord.
>
> I am finicky as heck about which theologians or teachers I
listen to, Corrie ten Boom and T.L.Osborn whose magazine it was
through who I was saved settled me in my faith....I moved away
from T.L.'s faith based theology [as indeed HE did in his later
years] toward the more stable grace teachings of
C.H.Spurgeon...though I rejects much of Calvinism. I love Joseph
Prince.
>
> I believe the full Pentecostal whack because I got the full
Pentecostal whack...my great sadness has been that until quite
recently the Pentecostals themselves had fallen far behind and
so fellowship was difficult...I sat at the back of large
assemblies longing for revival.
>
> I have stood with a few ministers in establishing little
evangelical enterprises and have seen souls saved and lives
turned around...great miracles. I rarely do the upfront stuff,
but I am known in certain circles...have preached in the open
air and seen souls saved, preached in London's Hyde Park. :)
>
> There I rambled a little...there is but a scratching on the
surface of all that God has done for me...I love Him and trust
Him come what may.
>
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Thanks for sharing that with us BE, i’d Like to hear a little
more about your transition between faith based and grace based
theology one day. A good many of the church goers in my family
are Pentecostal and I know very little about the denomination.
Of course, I don’t have a lot of study invested in any
particular belief system in Christianity, so there’s that lol.
#Post#: 211--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest9
Date: August 10, 2018, 12:24 am
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
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>
HTML https://redeeminggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/types-of-theology1.jpg
>
>
>
> I was wondering this about others today. I’m Closest to an
open view because I chose to try and strip as close to bare
bones as I could when I came back to God. I wanted to learn as
if I knew nothing except basic morality, and the Love of God
through Christ and the Spirit. Because everything the local
churches had been (while I ran from God) was more biased toward
politics and focusing more on condemnation of others, than it
was about showing others how to come to Christ. I’m really in
the beginning stages of learning and most of my study is on my
own while I pray to understand necessary passages in God’s own
time. I also study on another forum that I like because there
are a variety of different viewpoints presented and I feel that
it reminds me to cut my own bias and assumptions from my
studies.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think one size fits all concerning spiritual progress,
your path may not coincide with others journey nor should it.
#Post#: 226--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 10, 2018, 7:26 am
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[quote author=Zeke link=topic=22.msg211#msg211 date=
I don't think one size fits all concerning spiritual progress,
your path may not coincide with others journey nor should it.
[/quote]
True, one size fits all, does not fit all well. There are people
progressing easily on a path I personally would have found
incredibly difficult, if not nearly impossible.
#Post#: 227--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 10, 2018, 7:44 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Let's ramble a little, I'm 67 so I'm entitled.
>
> I was saved by means of an [American] gospel magazine, in my
own home...but it was dramatic. One moment I did not know God,
the next I did, one moment I had no concept of the Holy Spirit,
the next I was overflowing with His joy and power, one moment I
did not understand a jot of the bible, the next it was an open
book to me.
>
> I read the KJV through 3 times in the first 18 months...then
read the RSV and the Living through. I still read at least a
chapter a day, sometimes more....above all else I am a bible
lover, I hate to see the twistings that go on, that's my bible,
the much loved word of my Lord.
>
> I am finicky as heck about which theologians or teachers I
listen to, Corrie ten Boom and T.L.Osborn whose magazine it was
through who I was saved settled me in my faith....I moved away
from T.L.'s faith based theology [as indeed HE did in his later
years] toward the more stable grace teachings of
C.H.Spurgeon...though I rejects much of Calvinism. I love Joseph
Prince.
>
> I believe the full Pentecostal whack because I got the full
Pentecostal whack...my great sadness has been that until quite
recently the Pentecostals themselves had fallen far behind and
so fellowship was difficult...I sat at the back of large
assemblies longing for revival.
>
> I have stood with a few ministers in establishing little
evangelical enterprises and have seen souls saved and lives
turned around...great miracles. I rarely do the upfront stuff,
but I am known in certain circles...have preached in the open
air and seen souls saved, preached in London's Hyde Park. :)
>
> There I rambled a little...there is but a scratching on the
surface of all that God has done for me...I love Him and trust
Him come what may.
>
--- End Quote ---
Awesome, Billy. I just now saw this, I'm sorry I missed it. Amen
that we can't tell all the things God does in us and in our
lives. I feel that God has me right where I'm supposed to be.
Never really felt this before. I've been saved since childhood
when I heard and believed and trusted.
Went to Catholic school and church everyday and became quite
familiar with the mass and the teachings. Left in 4th grade.
Grew older into 12 and 13 and began smoking and drugs. Fast
Forward to about the age of 42 and I got back in the word after
never really reading iit to begin with in my life.
My cousin gave me a NIV Study Bible and I loved it, used it and
read it The book was so big though I had to read it on a table.
I like laying down and reading and a perfectly timed mishap from
a childhood friend caused him to leave behind a small NT KJV red
letter leather pocket type Bible.
The scriptures came alive like never before in the King James.
For once in my life I read something other than M, M, L and
John. I read Paul's letters and Acts and the everything made
sense. I was a Pentecostal for several years and my mother's
side of my family are Pentecostal. Mostly Assembly of God.
I'm glad you came here Billy and like I said, if you don't post
much that's ok just don't forget about me over here lol. I have
much more to say but I really liked your story.
#Post#: 228--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest5
Date: August 10, 2018, 8:32 am
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We’re all kind of products of our environment, it’s the way we
decide to interact with it that sets us apart. I like
understanding what influenced others to become who they are.
#Post#: 249--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 10, 2018, 9:22 pm
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I was brought up in a Baptist Church with a grandfather as a
Baptist preacher in the family. As we lived in another state, we
attended a Baptist church in another city. My Grandfather and
his church was two states away. Needless to say, I left the
Church we attended when I as 14 and have never been back. I did
not abandon Jesus but I could not stand to stay in a church
where there was so much deception going on by so-called 'saved'
Christians. It has only gotten worse in today’s churches.
Several years later an event happened with one of my father
friends that eventually brought me closer to GOD. This is one
reason , why I profess I am a Calvinist at least in partial
terms. I do believe that 'once saved, always saved' but I DO NOT
believe in "Carnal Christians"
Your either saved or your are not! I say this as I was ?saved?
in a little Baptist Church at a very young age (5-6). I have
become to realize this was a "knee jerk" reaction to my
grandmothers prodding as she was a very godly lady and wanted
for me to be saved.
My younger years, while I was not a law breaker, I did push the
limits just as far as I could get them.
By all accounts, I should have died many times over those years
as I was pushing those limits. Then one day, an event (a
calling) for me and one other person (another story) came from
God in a dream. Shortly thereafter, sitting on a stump on my
farm, I found Jesus for the first time even though I had known
Him for years. Since that time, my days and nights are SO
different. I awake everyday with my eyes to heaven and my head
in the Bible or teachings wherever I can find them. Operating
heavy equipment during the daytime, I most of the time can
listen to teachings by scholars via ipod that I keep downloaded
with new material. Thus, I will spend most days at least 16
hours or more listening to the glory and WORD of GOD.
Let us review a part of the Calvinist view:
Accordingly, each of us TRUE Christians are ‘predestined’ and
‘called’ thus ‘justified’ by GOD Himself(Rom 8:29-30). He tells
us He foreknew us and I often asked.myself...did He know that I
would walk down to the pulpit at that young age. YES.. DID He
know that I would leave the Church not to return YES! Did He
know WHY? YES
Since, as Jesus says, I was predestined, then I believe now I
was somewhat protected from harm until I was ‘called’ or it sure
does seem that way. As I stated earlier, I should have died
several times looking back on those years, I could have turned
bad and I mean real bad so easy after I left the church, yet I
did not. Of, course meeting the love of my life in HS also
helped as she has been keeping me on the straight and narrow for
some 49 years.
As I said: many years ago, I was called and became saved (for
certain) in God's Church, a pasture.
Since that time, I have found out just how little I know about
GOD's WORD but have also come to believe that the more I read
the Bible, the more literal I get as each reading brings a
blessing of something I had not known before. I try my best to
pass this along. I hope this helps someone understand there is
a plan for everyone one of us TRUE CHRISTIANS.
Blade
#Post#: 252--------------------------------------------------
Re: How did you arrive at your current Theological stance?
DIR By: joechan82
Date: August 10, 2018, 9:43 pm
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I was introduced to Jesus by a fellow Marine. He took about a
half an hour and showed me that I was a sinner, why I was a
sinner, and what happens to sinners. I knew that all of it was
true. Then he showed me that Jesus paid for our sins. Three
weeks later, after going to church a few times, listening to my
friend witness to me, and laying in bed at night scared to
death, I asked the Lord to save me. And He did. Just like that!
I only went to the Episcopal church on Easter with my mom and
sister prior to that, so I had no theology. The guy who lead me
to Christ was a Baptist so that is where I went. I was baptized
the next Sunday and that made it official. :) That was over 40
years ago. After a lot of church history and doctrine study I am
still a Baptist, but now I know why. Funny old thing.
BTW C. H. Spurgeon is my favorite preacher to read. He was a
Calvinist, but he is not a typical Calvinist. That man knew his
God.
I have a pretty good idea what a MAD Dispensationalist is, but I
cannot understand what Open Theists are. I tried to read their
statement on TF. I tried. Somebody help this old man.
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