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The New Collectiveism and the Dialectic As A Belief Changing Pr
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By: bernardpyron Date: November 5, 2018, 1:22 pm
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The New Collectiveism and the Dialectic As A Belief Changing
Procedure
Bernard Pyron
The Group Dynamics movement in experimental social psychology
and the Encounter Group Movement can be seen as a part of the
influence of Transformational Marxism on American politics and
culture. The Group Dynamics movement found ways of manipulating
groups and individuals in the groups, which was then applied in
the Encounter Group movement. Group Dynamicse, for example,
found ways of creating cohesive groups, which the Encounter
Group movement then applied to create cohesive groups to use to
move members toward the goals of Marxist Group Facilitators.
The term "facilitator" is right out of the Encounter Group
Movement of the sixties and seventies. Carl Rogers was one of
the leaders of the Encounter Group movement,and with other
facilitators under him,they ran encounter groups using the nuns
of the
Sacred Heart of Mary in Southern California.
And we can say that the Dragon, or Serpent, used for the fallen
angel Satain in the Book of Revelation, was the first
facilitator in Genesis 3: 1-6.
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he
had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."
Revelation 13: 11
"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea,
hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2.
fruit of the trees of the garden:
3.
garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye
touch it, lest ye die.
4.
die:
5.
eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and
evil.
6.
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to
make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and
gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Genesis
3: 1-6
In an interview called "The Story of a Repentant Psychologist"
long after the
encounter groups were run on the Nuns in 1966 and 1967, one of
Carl Rogers' facilitators says "Within a
year after our first interventions, 300 of them were petitioning
Rome to get out
of their vows. They did not want to be under anyone's authority,
except the authority of their imperial inner selves."The
interviewer
asks "How many years did it take to destroy this Immaculate
Heart
order? Coulson: It took about a year and a half."
William Coulson's story of how Carl Rogers and a number of
trained
facilitators of encounter group procedures "destroyed" the
Sacred
Heart of Mary group in Southern California is an example of the
power
of the dialectic as developed within American social and
clinical
psychology by the mid sixties. When you have a group led by a
trained
facilitator of the dialectic where the group is deliberately led
to
avoid focusing upon facts as truth and absolute morality, and
instead
the group is led to focus more on feelings and opinions, then
you have
a group which is more ready for transformation. Such a group is
one in which more traditional
reliance upon facts, or truths and on a fixed set of morals are
given
up and whatever satisfies man's feelings and opinions, which are
derived from feelings, or emotions, take over.
William Coulson had some kind of a junior faculty appointment
in the University of Wisconsin Psychiatric Institute in the
sixties under Carl R. Rogers at about the same time that I was
on the Schizophrenic Project under Rogers in the Psychiatric
Institute. I did not know Coulson at that time. but made
contact with him years later. By that time Coulson had become
critical of Rogers and the theories Rogers promoted.
“The individual accepts the new system of values and beliefs by
accepting belongingness to the group.” Kurt Lewin in Kenneth
Benne
Human Relations in Curriculum Change
The type of group that Kurt Lewin, the flounder of Group
Dynamics, is
talking about is a collective, unlike the cohesive family under
the father
figure.
"And on the basis of this individual growth of each in our
conditions a new
type of mighty socialist collective will in the long run be
formed, where
“I” and “we” will merge into one inseparable whole. Such a
collective can
only develop on the basis of profound ideological solidarity and
an equally
profound emotional rapprochement, mutual understanding."
Nadezhda K. Krupskaya a, Letter to A. M. Gorky
Marx is said to have "turned Hegel on his head" in making the
dialectic of Hegel atheistic and without morality. The Marxist
version of the Hegelian dialectic has been developed into a
belief and attitude change procedure, which also infiltrated the
major institutions,including the churches, in the 20th century.
Carl Rogers and other Encounter Group Facilitators used forms of
the Marxist version of the Hegelian Dialectic. The Marxist
dialectic was made into an attitude and belief changing
procedure by American psychologists, who did not always identify
themselves as Marxists. Dean Gotcher has written and talked
about this work by American social, personality and clinical
psychologists. Gotcher goes so far as to say that "Psychology is
Marxism - Psychotherapists are Marxists."
Gotcher got on the trail of Carl R, Rogers, which became a hot
trail after Rogers left the University of Wisconsin in the
sixties for Southern California, to became a Facilitator for the
Encounter Group Movement.
The dialectic was further developed in the Encounter Group
Movement by facilitators as a method for changing attitudes and
beliefs, which became part of the new collectivist movement in
America.
Some forms of the dialectic were popularized and used by the
media, in education, by government and in the churches to some
extent, especially in the mega church movement. Rick Warren used
the dialectic in small groups.
Rick Warren said that "Small groups are the most effective way
of closing the back door of your church."
But beyond Rick Warren's use of the Encounter Group attitude
changing procedure, forms of the dialectic as a method of making
an argument became popularly used in Christian dialogue..
Remember that we can see a dialogue as being necessary to set up
the dialectic change procedure in Genesis 3: 1-6, where Satan
deceived Eve into disobeying God. . In Chapter 8 of John the
Pharisees were making arguments opposing the doctrines of
Christ,who was there with them. They were using a form of the
dialectic to argue against Christ's absolute truth.This is a
second characteristic of the dialectic, making that which is
absolute truth - the word of God - into the thesis and directly
opposing it by an anti thesis.
"The dialectic is man thinking through his feelings. This is the
reason God flooded the world and will judge the world again.
"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the
days of the Son of man." (Luke 17:26 ).God cannot speak into the
pre-flood, Tower of Babel, Sodom and Gomorrah, dialectic mind."
Quotes from Dean Gotcher
The presence now of the dialectic mind could be an indication
that the prophecy of Luke 17: 26 is starting to be fulfilled.
The presence of the dialectic mind is a part of the spiritual
darkness which is coming on at this time in history.
The dialectic is a way of making an argument against that
which is true or moral. The dialectic mind rejects the truth
of the word of God and makes an argument against it by use of
types of arguments within dialogue.
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Re: The New Collectiveism and the Dialectic As A Belief Changing
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Re: The New Collectiveism and the Dialectic As A Belief Changing
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By: patrick jane Date: August 28, 2020, 3:18 pm
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yes
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Re: The New Collectiveism and the Dialectic As A Belief Changing
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By: patrick jane Date: October 29, 2020, 1:37 pm
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