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Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: bernardpyron Date: November 1, 2018, 11:21 am
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Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
Bernard Pyron
The Christian Hero story has been a way to communicate Christian
Morality to earlier generations of Americans. But the teaching
of morality by the Christian hero story began to end by about
1950, and certainly by about 1975.. The Baby Boomer generation
and later generations, born after 1946, were less influenced by
the Christian Hero Story than were the Americans born from about
1900 to 1945.
Of course, Frankfurt School Transformational Marxist Political
Correctness opposes the Christian Hero Story
even more than does the Image Culture. For Marxist political
correctness, the Christian Hero Story Formula is a big part of
that culture supporting Christianity and the Family which must
be abolished in order for Marxist collectivism and totalitarian
government to dominate. The Western Cowboy Hero story was in
part taken over by the American Culture of Image, from the
Hollywood Celebrity Culture before the Cowboy Hero Story finally
ended.
Historically, the Christian Hero Story Formula can be seen to
have come out of Geoffrey of Monmouth's work on the King Arthur
stories. Then the Arthurian Christian Hero Story Formula may
have been more easily translated into the Cowboy Hero Story in
part by the influence of the American Cavalier Tradition, for
example in.the work of Walter Scott, which supported the
Virginia Cavalier Culture. The more general narrative was the
Horseman as Hero.
Its interesting that the Southern Cavalier strand of Christian
Influence upon American and Western culture in the Christian
Hero Story was opposed politically and culturally by another
American Christian tradition, that of the New England Puritans.
See:
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"Do Americans have a national epic (like Britain’s Beowulf,
Spain’s Don Quixote or Egypt’s Story of Sinuhe)? Do Americans
have ancient characters doing heroic deeds, like King Arthur and
his Round-Table Knights?"
"But what Americans do have are stories—sometimes more legend
than real—about the "Wild West" and the "American Frontier."
Some of those stories originated when the nineteenth-century
U.S. media spun tales about heroic cowboys fighting-off Indians
and animals in the "Old West."
With their reckless individualism, these cowboys drove cattle,
braved all kinds of elements and sometimes got into serious
trouble. When they did, fearless and heroic lawmen would take
them down at high noon on a dirt-covered street in some western
town."
The American Cowboy of Myth - and of reality - came out of the
South Texas Cowboy or Gringo Vaquero culture more that out of
the California version of the American adaptation of the large
scale Mexican cattle handing tradition. The South Texas Cowboy
Culture was spread north, and west by the Texas Trail Drivers.
From 1940 to 1960 one fourth of Hollywood films were Westerns.
Many of these Western movies followed in part the formula of the
Christian Hero Story, which is seen in some of the King Arthur
myths. Yet Hollywood was wrecking the Christian Hero Story in
this period.
But in the best days of the Western Cowboy Hero Story there was
always a clear and vigorous opposition to transgressive behavior
by a villain and the affirmation of the defeat of that villain
and his evil behavior by the Cowboy Hero.
The Western narrative became one of the main, most popular myths
of the United States
and for this reason Christian morality could be taught to people
in our culture by the Western Story Formula.
In addition, in the Western hero story basic Christian morality
could be taught to young people in America by this story formula
because it made very clear, in great detail what kinds of
behavior is immoral. A formula story is one in which which types
of evil - or transgressive behavior by villains - is repeated
over and over in different settings and situations, and by
different villains.. This teaches morality to readers and
viewers, especially to children.
The Range War Western Story formula could make readers and
viewers clearly aware of the kinds of evil transgressive
behavior which could be carried out by community insiders as
immoral big ranchers, bankers, politicans or businessmen.
Among Western writers,Ernest Haycox developed the types of
transgressive behavior carried out by the insider and respected
villains, as in Chaffee of Roaring Horse (1929). Haycox also
developed the formula actions and characterizations of the
Cowboy Hero in the Range War Western.
There was a Range War Western Story Formula narrative carried
out by the Bureau of Land Management in the very real
Range War Western fought between Clive Bundy and his family and
the
Bureau of Land Management of the Leftist Obama Administration.
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: bernardpyron Date: November 1, 2018, 6:23 pm
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For example, the many John Wayne Westerns ran from The Big Trail
of 1930 to The Searchers of 1956.
Clint Eastwood played the role of Ramrod Rowdy Yates in the
western TV series, Rawhide, that ran from 1959 to 1965.
Eastwood played roles in several Western movies, such as Star in
the Dust (1956), Ambush at Cimarron Pass (1958), The
Magnificent Stranger (1967), Hang ‘Em High (1968), Paint Your
Wagon (1969, Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970), and he played
major roles in other Westerns, including Unforgiven (1992).
Eastwood was the star in several Spaghetti Westerns, Fistful
of dollars (1964), For A Few Dollars More (1965) and The Good,
The Bad and The Ugly (1966).
He directed and was also in other Western films, such as
High Plains Drifter (1973)
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
Bronco Billy (1980)
Pale Rider (1985)
Unforgiven (1992).
The Outlaw Josey Wales, of 1976 is a classic movie.
But by 1989 Robert Duvall, in the Lonesome Dove film series,
based upon the 1985 novel by Larry McMurtry the first book of
the Lonesome Dove series, plays a Texan in a story which departs
from the Christian hero story formula. The Lonesome Dove series
does retain the traditional Western story formula
characterization and physical settings.
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: guest8 Date: November 1, 2018, 8:08 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=207.msg1954#msg1954
date=1541114586]
For example, the many John Wayne Westerns ran from The Big Trail
of 1930 to The Searchers of 1956.
Clint Eastwood played the role of Ramrod Rowdy Yates in the
western TV series, Rawhide, that ran from 1959 to 1965.
Eastwood played roles in several Western movies, such as Star in
the Dust (1956), Ambush at Cimarron Pass (1958), The
Magnificent Stranger (1967), Hang ‘Em High (1968), Paint Your
Wagon (1969, Two Mules for Sister Sara (1970), and he played
major roles in other Westerns, including Unforgiven (1992).
Eastwood was the star in several Spaghetti Westerns, Fistful
of dollars (1964), For A Few Dollars More (1965) and The Good,
The Bad and The Ugly (1966).
He directed and was also in other Western films, such as
High Plains Drifter (1973)
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
Bronco Billy (1980)
Pale Rider (1985)
Unforgiven (1992).
The Outlaw Josey Wales, of 1976 is a classic movie.
But by 1989 Robert Duvall, in the Lonesome Dove film series,
based upon the 1985 novel by Larry McMurtry the first book of
the Lonesome Dove series, plays a Texan in a story which departs
from the Christian hero story formula. The Lonesome Dove series
does retain the traditional Western story formula
characterization and physical settings.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I think at the time they were made and for a
few years afterward, they were a way to educate people as to
what the Old West was like. The Lawlessness,etc. etc.abounded.
Very seldom was GOD mentioned and the right and wrong was
dependent upon who was taking away from whom.
One scene I remember in Chisum with John Wayne. He was answering
Mr. Pepper about Law, God and whether it had not been there.
John told Him and I am paraphrase:'when people settle in a
place, they sooner or later bring the law with them and sooner
or later they find out God had already been there.
Nothing for morality here but I thought that was an interesting
point of view as it was not a Evolutionist statement which was
the Prevalent thinking of that period of time.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: bernardpyron Date: November 2, 2018, 7:55 am
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If there is an argument about the validity of the American
Cowboy Hero of the Western Novel in print and in Western movies,
this is a debate between the point of view not only of the West
versus the East, or Rural Areas verses Urban Centers, but to a
greater extent it is an argument between the point of view of an
older generation and the Baby Boomers and their descendants
Frederick Jackson Turner gave a paper called "The Significance
of the Frontier in American History," to a gathering of
historians in 1893 in Chicago. He said that:
"Individuals, forced to rely on their own wits and strength,
were simply too scornful of rank to be amenable to the
exercise of centralized political power."
"If the frontier had been so essential to the development of
American
culture and democracy, then what would befall them as the
frontier
closed? It was on this forboding note that he closed his
address: "And
now, four centuries from the discovery of America, at the end of
a
hundred years of life under the Constitution, the frontier has
gone,
and with its going has closed the first period of American
history."
The Western frontier mentality lingered on in the memories of
many
Americans born in rural and small town America during the
thirties and
early forties, especially west of the 98th meridian. It mostly
died
out in the Baby Boomer generation.
The literary form of the Western formula story celebrates this
frontier mentality In the story grammar the cowboy hero who is
regenerated by living in a physical wilderness and by the
American frontier attitude overcomes transgressive behavior. And
in the formula range war Western, this cowboy of the wilderness
frontier defeats the villain who is a society insider and is
respected as a banker, business man or big rancher.
Michael T. Marsden in Savior In the Saddle: The Sagebrush
Testament (In Jack Nachbar, Focus On the Western, 1974) says to
see the Western hero "...as a coming together of certain
elements from the Old and New Testaments and to see through him
the creation of a Sagebrush Testament with its own ethos...The
savior-like nature of the Western hero is nowhere more clearly
manifested than in Gorge Steven's masterful Shane (1953). Allan
Ladd at the beginning of the film moves slowly down the Grand
Teton Mountains from the West.
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: bernardpyron Date: November 2, 2018, 4:50 pm
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The Cowboy Hero in the Western operates within the American
Frontier Culture, and he is shaped by that culture.
Two important American historians were interested in the idea
that the American Frontier experience shaped our culture.
Frederick Jackson Turner (1861-1932), professor of History at
the University of Wisconsin taught that the American Frontier
shaped the American mind and culture. Turner said that the
spirit and success of the United States was due to its Western
frontier culture. As each generation of pioneers moved farther
west, they abandoned European and early American Eastern
practices, institutions and ideas, and found new solutions to
new problems created by their new environment. Over several
generations in the 19th century the frontier changed the
European and American Eastern "civilized" urban culture to a
rural and small town frontier culture of informality, democracy,
initiative, freedom and self-reliance that the world saw as
"American." That frontier culture also enforced its right to
self defense. There were some real outlaw gunslingers in the Old
West, yet the gunslinger figure is exaggerated in fiction.
The cowboy image is a better representation of the character of
the Old West frontier on the Great Planes. He carried guns and
was capable of using then in self defense, but few cowboys ever
fired a gun at another man.
In the fictional Cowboy Story the Cowboy Hero applies his
skills in the use of guns to defeat the villain and the threat
of the villain to others in society.
Walter Prescott Webb (1888-1963), as a boy lived on what he
later defined as the Great Planes, in Eastland county in west
central Texas. In his 1931 book, The Great Planes, Webb
described and exalted the culture of the Great Planes. He said
that in Texas -and on north to Canada - the 98th meridian marked
the division between the wet area to the east, with its forests,
from the dry area to the west, which did not get enough rain,
and tended to be open planes with few larger trees. The 98th
meridian runs through Meridian, Texas, which is in the middle of
Basque county. If you draw a line due north from Meridian, it
would run west of Tarrant county, or Fort Worth, putting it and
Dallas in the "wet" east. A line going due south from Meridian
would run through Gonzales county, Texas, which puts San Antonio
clearly in Webb's Great Planes West.
Webb pointed out in The Great Planes that the region west of the
98th meridian is different from the land east of it, and that in
adapting to this different environment the pioneers of the West
had to change their institutions and way of life. One of the
ideas of The Great Planes is that the environment itself had an
influence upon the culture of Webb's West - the great planes -
which emerged from the experiment of Americans adapting to life
in the West.
The people of the Great Planes West were "lawless," said Webb,
not meaning that they were all outlaws, but that they became
unconventional, mavericks and more resourceful by the cultural
standards of the civilized East. Webb’s idea that history is "a
branch of literature"put him in opposition to the conventional
academic historians of the Ivory Towers.
Walter Prescott Webb in The Great Planes (1931) said that the
great distances and sparse population of the West encouraged
self-reliance.
Webb said of the settler and cowboy on the great planes that
"When he made that perfect adaptation he departed farther and
farther from the conventional pattern of men, and as he diverged
from the conventional pattern he became more and more unusual:
He made a better copy for news-writers, artist and cartoonist"
(The Great Planes, 1931, p. 245).
When the Americans of the 19th century "came out of the woods"
they grew out of the culture and personality traits of the more
urban and "civilized" East, and grew out of both the Northeast
Establishment and the Southern Tradition.
The culture and personality
traits described by Frederick Jackson Turner and Walter Prescott
Webb,
historians of the frontier and of the great planes, is useful in
understanding
the difference between the older American generations and the
Baby Boomers.
Walter Prescott Webb left his legacy in the University of Texas
at Austin Department of History. Other native Texan historians,
in the Department, like Tuffly Ellis followed Webb's trail
blazing. I was allowed to take an individual graduate level
reading course under Ellis at UT in 1979, `even though I did not
have an academic background in history. Webb died in a car
wreck in 1963.
The Cowboy in the role of the hero who fights for the rights of
others and defeats the bad guys in fictional stories is
unconventional. is a maverick, is resourceful and is
self-reliant as a member of that Western Frontier Culture. He
was the American Myth for many decades, even in some movies
during the fifties, sixties and seventies.
Cast a cold eye On life, on death. Horseman, pass by." "Under
Ben Bulben" by William Butler Yeats
.
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: patrick jane Date: February 8, 2019, 6:55 pm
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: guest8 Date: February 9, 2019, 10:28 pm
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[shadow=blue,left]PJ..I agree with you as this type of
teaching/preaching is totally false and a detriment to the
morality instead of helping it.
Hang in there, you got a real good eye.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: bernardpyron Date: March 23, 2019, 2:37 pm
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From this I do not know for sure whether search engines are
bringing viewers to this sub-forum, or the views are almost all
from members of the forum.
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Re: Christian Hero Stories As the Teaching of Christian Morality
By: patrick jane Date: March 23, 2019, 7:07 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=207.msg4574#msg4574
date=1553369823]
I am interested in whether or not the Internet search engines
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Six posts of the 20 have many more views than the other posts:
Christian Hero Stories, 1521, New Collectivism and the Dialectic
1395, Take A Closer Look At Romans 11: 26, 1531`, On Breaking
Down The Recent American Generations. 1079, Dispensationalism's
View of Galatians 6: 15-16, 952 and The Waco Event, 1496.
New Collectivism and the Dialectic is a little surprising,
having 1395 views. I would predict this post would not have that
many views because its on a topic that most do not understand.
From this I do not know for sure whether search engines are
bringing viewers to this sub-forum, or the views are almost all
from members of the forum.
[/quote]I think this forum does ok on Google search and
searching my name. I also Tweet out every topic on here, so 309
topics everyday and every Tweet brings a few viewers here.
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