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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: Faulty
Date: April 22, 2019, 11:39 pm
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>
> YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the
videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it
will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship
is getting really bad now.
>
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You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just
because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with
frivolous copyright strikes?
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 22, 2019, 11:51 pm
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> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=2.msg5043#msg5043
date=1555563477]
> YouTube took my main channel down and it killed most of the
videos I've posted over the last 8 months. Sorry folks but it
will take some time to find these videos again. The censorship
is getting really bad now.
>
--- End Quote ---
You didn't have backups? Why didn't they take it down, just
because of FE content, or were you one of the many hit with
frivolous copyright strikes?
[/quote]Yes, mostly because of FE I think but I asked the owner
of the video I got a strike for to retract the claim and he did,
thank God. So I got all three channels back. Now I have 5 total.
They can't stop us, lol.
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: Faulty
Date: April 23, 2019, 12:11 am
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Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found two
more right away. Not sure about the other two.
I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for
something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was
more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually
praying I could break away from that place, because it's an
extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally
got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I
recalled I had just been praying for something like that.
Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's
telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to
breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
#Post#: 5139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 23, 2019, 5:31 am
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> Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found
two more right away. Not sure about the other two.
>
> I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for
something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was
more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually
praying I could break away from that place, because it's an
extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally
got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I
recalled I had just been praying for something like that.
Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's
telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to
breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
>
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CF shut down several threads of mine because of reported posts.
Then I was permanently banned but I kept appealing and they let
me come back after 6 months. You would really like Theology
Forums also. Free Speech and I'm the Admin. It's much bigger
than here. I have five because I got two quick strikes on my
main channel.
I made two back up channels but when my main channel got
terminated they closed the other two so I had none. So my mom
started a Google account and presto, two new channels. Then the
copyright strike was retracted by the owner because I asked him
and explained the situation. God blessed me and I got all three
of MY channels back giving me five now. YT is out to get me
though.
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 23, 2019, 1:16 pm
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>
> Five? Impressive. Why so many? I knew about one, just found
two more right away. Not sure about the other two.
>
> I was being reported several times a week on CF, primarily for
something related to a FE discussion, or how their cosmology was
more science than science fiction. Last night I was actually
praying I could break away from that place, because it's an
extremely toxic platform. Today, I log in and found they finally
got me banned for a month. Anger was the first reaction, then I
recalled I had just been praying for something like that.
Feeling much better now. At least I won't get any more PM's
telling me what an idiot I am and how I shouldn't allowed to
breed (and other funny 'suggestions'). The persecution is real.
>
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You need an avatar Faulty. I made you a Moderator here. You
don't have to do anything but you should be able to see and do
more.
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 9, 2019, 6:31 pm
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Cosmology Has Some Big Problems
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What do we really know about our universe?
Born out of a cosmic explosion 13.8 billion years ago, the
universe rapidly inflated and then cooled, it is still expanding
at an increasing rate and mostly made up of unknown dark matter
and dark energy ... right?
This well-known story is usually taken as a self-evident
scientific fact, despite the relative lack of empirical
evidence—and despite a steady crop of discrepancies arising with
observations of the distant universe.
In recent months, new measurements of the Hubble constant, the
rate of universal expansion, suggested major differences between
two independent methods of calculation. Discrepancies on the
expansion rate have huge implications not simply for calculation
but for the validity of cosmology's current standard model at
the extreme scales of the cosmos.
Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory
of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be
everywhere. But according to the latest measurements, it is not,
suggesting the theory needs to be reexamined.
It's perhaps worth stopping to ask why astrophysicists
hypothesize dark matter to be everywhere in the universe? The
answer lies in a peculiar feature of cosmological physics that
is not often remarked. For a crucial function of theories such
as dark matter, dark energy and inflation, which each in its own
way is tied to the big bang paradigm, is not to describe known
empirical phenomena but rather to maintain the mathematical
coherence of the framework itself while accounting for
discrepant observations. Fundamentally, they are names for
something that must exist insofar as the framework is assumed to
be universally valid.
Each new discrepancy between observation and theory can of
course in and of itself be considered an exciting promise of
more research, a progressive refinement toward the truth. But
when it adds up, it could also suggest a more confounding
problem that is not resolved by tweaking parameters or adding
new variables.
Consider the context of the problem and its history. As a
mathematically driven science, cosmological physics is usually
thought to be extremely precise. But the cosmos is unlike any
scientific subject matter on earth. A theory of the entire
universe, based on our own tiny neighborhood as the only known
sample of it, requires a lot of simplifying assumptions. When
these assumptions are multiplied and stretched across vast
distances, the potential for error increases, and this is
further compounded by our very limited means of testing.
Historically, Newton's physical laws made up a theoretical
framework that worked for our own solar system with remarkable
precision. Both Uranus and Neptune, for example, were discovered
through predictions based on Newton's model. But as the scales
grew larger, its validity proved limited. Einstein's general
relativity framework provided an extended and more precise reach
beyond the furthest reaches of our own galaxy. But just how far
could it go?
The big bang paradigm that emerged in the mid-20th century
effectively stretches the model's validity to a kind of
infinity, defined either as the boundary of the radius of the
universe (calculated at 46 billion light-years) or in terms of
the beginning of time. This giant stretch is based on a few
concrete discoveries, such as Edwin Hubble's observation that
the universe appears to be expanding (in 1929) and the detection
of the microwave background radiation (in 1964). But considering
the scale involved, these limited observations have had an
outsized influence on cosmological theory.
It is of course entirely plausible that the validity of general
relativity breaks down much closer to our own home than at the
edge of the hypothetical end of the universe. And if that were
the case, today's multilayered theoretical edifice of the big
bang paradigm would turn out to be a confusing mix of fictional
beasts invented to uphold the model along with empirically valid
variables, mutually reliant on each other to the point of making
it impossible to sort science from fiction.
Compounding this problem, most observations of the universe
occur experimentally and indirectly. Today's space telescopes
provide no direct view of anything—they produce measurements
through an interplay of theoretical predictions and pliable
parameters, in which the model is involved every step of the
way. The framework literally frames the problem; it determines
where and how to observe. And so, despite the advanced
technologies and methods involved, the profound limitations to
the endeavor also increase the risk of being led astray by the
kind of assumptions that cannot be calculated.
After spending many years researching the foundations of
cosmological physics from a philosophy of science perspective, I
have not been surprised to hear some scientists openly talking
about a crisis in cosmology. In the big “inflation debate” in
Scientific American a few years ago, a key piece of the big bang
paradigm was criticized by one of the theory's original
proponents for having become indefensible as a scientific
theory.
Why? Because inflation theory relies on ad hoc contrivances to
accommodate almost any data, and because its proposed physical
field is not based on anything with empirical justification.
This is probably because a crucial function of inflation is to
bridge the transition from an unknowable big bang to a physics
we can recognize today. So, is it science or a convenient
invention?
A few astrophysicists, such as Michael J. Disney, have
criticized the big bang paradigm for its lack of demonstrated
certainties. In his analysis, the theoretical framework has far
fewer certain observations than free parameters to tweak them—a
so-called “negative significance” that would be an alarming sign
for any science. As Disney writes in American Scientist: “A
skeptic is entitled to feel that a negative significance, after
so much time, effort and trimming, is nothing more than one
would expect of a folktale constantly re-edited to fit
inconvenient new observations."
As I discuss in my new book, Metaphysical Experiments, there is
a deeper history behind the current problems. The big bang
hypothesis itself originally emerged as an indirect consequence
of general relativity undergoing remodeling. Einstein had made a
fundamental assumption about the universe, that it was static in
both space and time, and to make his equations add up, he added
a “cosmological constant,” for which he freely admitted there
was no physical justification.
But when Hubble observed that the universe was expanding and
Einstein's solution no longer seemed to make sense, some
mathematical physicists tried to change a fundamental assumption
of the model: that the universe was the same in all spatial
directions but variant in time. Not insignificantly, this theory
came with a very promising upside: a possible merger between
cosmology and nuclear physics. Could the brave new model of the
atom also explain our universe?
From the outset, the theory only spoke to the immediate
aftermath of an explicitly hypothetical event, whose principal
function was as a limit condition, the point at which the theory
breaks down. Big bang theory says nothing about the big bang; it
is rather a possible hypothetical premise for resolving general
relativity.
On top of this undemonstrable but very productive hypothesis,
floor upon floor has been added intact, with vastly extended
scales and new discrepancies. To explain observations of
galaxies inconsistent with general relativity, the existence of
dark matter was posited as an unknown and invisible form of
matter calculated to make up more than a quarter of all
mass-energy content in the universe—assuming, of course, the
framework is universally valid. In 1998, when a set of supernova
measurements of accelerating galaxies seemed at odds with the
framework, a new theory emerged of a mysterious force called
dark energy, calculated to fill circa 70 percent of the
mass-energy of the universe.
The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to
maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire
universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is
furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we
have no empirical evidence whatsoever. For a scientist to be
confident of this picture requires an exceptional faith in the
power of mathematical unification.
In the end, the conundrum for cosmology is its reliance on the
framework as a necessary presupposition for conducting research.
For lack of a clear alternative, as astrophysicist Disney also
notes, it is in a sense stuck with the paradigm. It seems more
pragmatic to add new theoretical floors than to rethink the
fundamentals.
Contrary to the scientific ideal of getting progressively closer
to the truth, it looks rather like cosmology, to borrow a term
from technology studies, has become path-dependent:
overdetermined by the implications of its past inventions.
This article is based on edited excerpts from the book
Metaphysical Experiments: Physics and the Invention of the
Universe, published by University of Minnesota Press.
The views expressed are those of the author(s) and are not
necessarily those of Scientific American.
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 12, 2019, 2:00 pm
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 21, 2019, 1:01 pm
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Jude King James Version (KJV)
1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to
them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in
Jesus Christ, and called:
2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the
common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and
exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which
was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew
this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land
of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left
their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains
under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the
vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he
disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a
railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but
what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they
corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran
greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in
the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast
with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are
without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit
withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness
for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these,
saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his
saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are
ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have
ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly
sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own
lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having
men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before
of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last
time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not
the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy
faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of
our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to
present you faultless before the presence of his glory with
exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty,
dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
King James Version (KJV)
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 30, 2019, 2:24 pm
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Re: Biblical Enclosed Flat Earth and Cosmos
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 25, 2019, 10:02 pm
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Job 38 King James Version (KJV)
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee,
and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who
hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid
the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God
shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if
it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness
a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here
shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused
the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the
wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a
garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high
arm shall be broken.
16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou
walked in the search of the depth?
17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou
seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 [size=14pt]Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth?
declare if thou knowest it all.
19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness,
where is the place thereof,
20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that
thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the
number of thy days is great?
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast
thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against
the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east
wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters,
or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the
wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the
bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of
dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of
heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep
is frozen.
31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose
the bands of Orion?
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou
guide Arcturus with his sons?
33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the
dominion thereof in the earth?
34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of
waters may cover thee?
35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto
thee, Here we are?
36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given
understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the
bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave
fast together?
39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of
the young lions,
40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie
in wait?
41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry
unto God, they wander for lack of meat.[/size]
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
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