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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 30, 2018, 7:37 pm
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[font=arial]MISSIONARIES AT YOUR DOOR
Should you decide to go head to head with Watchtower Society
missionaries, here's some useful tips passed on by Pete, the ex
Jehovah's Witness mentioned at the first.
1• Round up a copy of the Watchtower Society's New World
Translation of the Bible, and its Kingdom Interlinear
Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Sometimes these are
available in second hand stores like Good Will and Salvation
Army. Both are available online from amazon dot com.
For some useful insights into a variety of Jehovah's Witness
teachings, the little brown book titled Reasoning From The
Scriptures is a must-have. It's available online too. Be sure to
get the Watchtower Society's version instead of another book by
the same name authored by a different agency.
2• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never
ever assume they are your friends because first and foremost
their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watchtower Society. You can be courteous and you can be civil,
but it's highly recommended that you not let them into your
life.
3• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back
later and discuss it with you; thus taking control of both your
thinking and the meeting.
4• Don't let them get too far into their spiel, but at the first
opportunity begin introducing your own questions; thus denying
them complete control of the conversation.
5• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product, nor a
recruiter, nor a candidate running for an elected office: you're
not on a quota, you're not out to win anything, nor are you
required to win-- you're a herald; viz: a messenger. Your
information is best presented as a second opinion for them to
think about; and that's all. No hammering and no pressuring.
The goal is to show missionaries that the Society's isn't the
only expert opinion out there. In other words: the Watchtower
Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs
eo ipso the right interpretations just because the Governing
Body says so.
6• Avoid getting embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays,
Easter, Christmas, Christmas trees, the design and construction
of the wooden device upon which Christ was crucified, saluting
the flag, service in the military, and that sort of thing. There
are much bigger fish to fry than those.
The No.1 issue on their minds when they come to your door will
likely be Jehovah's kingdom, in particular, the portion of His
kingdom to be on Earth.
7• Make them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if
you have to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap
your fingers, or raise your voice. Do not let them digress,
change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor get distracted
and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking. If
they start digging through their bags, shuffling papers,
tinkering with their tablets, or looking up a reference; call
them on it because there is no use in speaking when their minds
are elsewhere occupied.
8• Do not permit them to interrupt you and/or talk out of turn.
Politely, but firmly, insist that they hold their peace until
you've said your piece.
9• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult
questions. They sometimes say that they will have to confer with
someone more knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is
over. Thank them politely for their time and then ask them to
leave and come back when they have the information. Do not let
them stay and start a new topic of their own.
10• Do not react and/or respond to ad hominems, which can be
defined as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by
attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the
person making the argument, or persons associated with the
argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument
itself.
11• These people undergo hour upon hour of training to refute
standard Christian doctrines, so it's very important to show
them the Bible not in ways they've already seen, but in ways
they've never imagined.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: January 10, 2019, 10:25 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg2600#msg2600
date=1543628236]
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[font=arial]MISSIONARIES AT YOUR DOOR
Should you decide to go head to head with Watchtower Society
missionaries, here's some useful tips passed on by Pete, the ex
Jehovah's Witness mentioned at the first.
1• Round up a copy of the Watchtower Society's New World
Translation of the Bible, and its Kingdom Interlinear
Translation of the Greek Scriptures. Sometimes these are
available in second hand stores like Good Will and Salvation
Army. Both are available online from amazon dot com.
For some useful insights into a variety of Jehovah's Witness
teachings, the little brown book titled Reasoning From The
Scriptures is a must-have. It's available online too. Be sure to
get the Watchtower Society's version instead of another book by
the same name authored by a different agency.
2• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never
ever assume they are your friends because first and foremost
their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watchtower Society. You can be courteous and you can be civil,
but it's highly recommended that you not let them into your
life.
3• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back
later and discuss it with you; thus taking control of both your
thinking and the meeting.
4• Don't let them get too far into their spiel, but at the first
opportunity begin introducing your own questions; thus denying
them complete control of the conversation.
5• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product, nor a
recruiter, nor a candidate running for an elected office: you're
not on a quota, you're not out to win anything, nor are you
required to win-- you're a herald; viz: a messenger. Your
information is best presented as a second opinion for them to
think about; and that's all. No hammering and no pressuring.
The goal is to show missionaries that the Society's isn't the
only expert opinion out there. In other words: the Watchtower
Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs
eo ipso the right interpretations just because the Governing
Body says so.
6• Avoid getting embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays,
Easter, Christmas, Christmas trees, the design and construction
of the wooden device upon which Christ was crucified, saluting
the flag, service in the military, and that sort of thing. There
are much bigger fish to fry than those.
The No.1 issue on their minds when they come to your door will
likely be Jehovah's kingdom, in particular, the portion of His
kingdom to be on Earth.
7• Make them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if
you have to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap
your fingers, or raise your voice. Do not let them digress,
change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor get distracted
and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking. If
they start digging through their bags, shuffling papers,
tinkering with their tablets, or looking up a reference; call
them on it because there is no use in speaking when their minds
are elsewhere occupied.
8• Do not permit them to interrupt you and/or talk out of turn.
Politely, but firmly, insist that they hold their peace until
you've said your piece.
9• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult
questions. They sometimes say that they will have to confer with
someone more knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is
over. Thank them politely for their time and then ask them to
leave and come back when they have the information. Do not let
them stay and start a new topic of their own.
10• Do not react and/or respond to ad hominems, which can be
defined as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by
attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the
person making the argument, or persons associated with the
argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument
itself.
11• These people undergo hour upon hour of training to refute
standard Christian doctrines, so it's very important to show
them the Bible not in ways they've already seen, but in ways
they've never imagined.
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Why do I want to experience a CULT?
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: patrick jane Date: May 28, 2019, 11:30 pm
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What Jehovah's Witnesses Actually Believe (Dr. James R White)
26 minutes
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHeoJw1uTsA
#Post#: 5995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 29, 2019, 7:31 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=197.msg5992#msg5992
date=1559104223] [font=arial]What Jehovah's Witnesses Actually
Believe (Dr. James R White)[/font][/quote]
[font=arial]I found Dr. White on YouTube a few months ago.
Besides the JWs, he's very knowledgeable about Islam and Atheism
too.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: May 29, 2019, 12:06 pm
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I thought I had posted about the Masonic connection with the
Watchtower Society. Charles Taze Russell was a Mason and his
family is one of the bloodline families. He was buried in a
Masonic graveyard next to a Masonic Lodge. There is a eight foot
tall pyramid near his grave with the cross and crown. The cross
is angled at 33 degrees. There is spirit channeling done at the
Watchtower Headquarters, satanic connections. This is the
foundation of that organization.
I could post many videos of former JWs that would verify all
this. One video that I saw of a former JW really makes it clear.
Her father was a Mason so she knows a lot about Masons. He was
also an elder. She was a fifth generation JW. She decided to try
a certain method to make other JWs aware of some things that are
kept secret and hidden by the Watchtower Society.
I was really floored when she said that her father and other
elders had a stomping on the bread and pouring the wine down the
drain ceremony after a memorial. This was done after everyone
else had left the Kingdom Hall.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jFlgYIKjU
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: October 20, 2019, 4:04 am
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ROUND TABLE: Top 10 things that "Wake Up" Jehovah's Witnesses
The first round table discussion between myself, Diasiss Minnick
and Jimmy bell. We cover the top 10 issues that woke us up from
Watchtower:
1. Australian Royal Commission / CSA
2. Watchtower's involvement with the United Nations
3. The teaching that Jesus isn't your mediator
4. Failed dates/prophecies
5. Man-made rules not found in the Bible
6. False statements made by the governing body
7. Judiciary mishaps (such as divorce)
8. Shunning
9. Watchtower's questionable investments
10. How the culture affects children growing up as JWs
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FGX3wNUqOE
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: patrick jane Date: November 11, 2019, 1:06 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmLIGeXXmLk
#Post#: 8918--------------------------------------------------
Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: November 23, 2019, 1:24 am
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This is a disfellowshipping of a JW that was secretly recorded.
He was accused of apostasy which means that he disagreed mainly
with the two witness rule in child sexual abuse cases within
that organization. If a JW disagrees with the rules from the
Governing Body then they are considered an apostate which is a
disfellowshipping offense according to the Governing Body. If a
JW speaks against the Governing Body then that is considered
speaking against God. If a JW leaves that organization then they
are told that they have left God.
Notice how these elders tried to deflect the conversation away
from the child sexual abuse to other things because they
couldn't defend that.
If you've ever wondered what disfellowshipping is like within
the JW organization then this video really shows that. This is
what is called a judicial hearing and a JW is not allowed to
have anyone there to speak for them at all. That's why he
secretly recorded the judicial hearing because it was his only
evidence and protection for himself. Otherwise whatever was said
in that judicial hearing would have been his word against these
three elders who would have put their own spin on it.
The Governing Body needs to take a good look at this scripture
when it comes to child sexual abuse coverup to protect their
image. Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little
ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone
were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
The Disfellowshipping of Son Of Thunder caught on tape
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34xtDSX_kRc
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: November 23, 2019, 12:55 pm
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Shunning at the Jehovah's Witness Convention 2015
Qualcomm Stadium, Saturday, June 6, San Diego.This years
convention theme is "Imitate Jesus". The video speaks for
itself.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeuwsHS1Cg
#Post#: 8921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: November 23, 2019, 1:16 pm
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JW Elders Treatment of Preacher at Watchtower Convention 2018
Jehovah's Witness Convention, San Diego, 2018. Unedited clip of
JW Elders practicing this years motto, "Be Courageous".
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ex0jwDDTzU
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