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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: November 10, 2018, 2:27 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg2106#msg2106
date=1541880049]
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[font=arial]FAIL SAFE
According to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22;
Jesus committed no sins of his own.
The Watchtower Society is of the opinion that Christ didn't sin
because he "chose" not to sin. That's what they say; but it's
not what the Bible says. The fact of the matter is; Christ's
divine genetics make it impossible for him to sin.
● 1John 3:9 . . Everyone who has been born from God does
not carry on sin, because His [reproductive] seed remains in
such one, and he cannot practice sin, because he has been born
from God.
That translation makes it look as though one born of God sins
now and then but not all the time; viz: doesn't make a habit of
sin. But the text on the Greek side of the Kingdom Interlinear
reads like this:
"He is not able to be sinning because out of God he has been
generated."
There's more:
● Col 2:9 . . It is in him that all the fullness of the
divine quality dwells bodily.
What we're looking at isn't nondescript divine quality; rather,
the divine quality; viz: we're looking at the quality of God's
divinity; which I think pretty safe to assume is impeccable. I
seriously doubt even the Devil himself could fail and/or sin
were he brimming with not just a percentage; but with all the
quality of God's divinity.
Q: If it was impossible for Christ to sin; then what practical
purpose did his temptation serve?
A: Christ testified "I always do the things pleasing to Him"
(John 8:29). The Devil's failure to break Christ proves the
truth of his statement. In other words: Christ was proof-tested
to demonstrate that he contains no flaws.
No doubt the Devil expected that after forty days in the outback
without food, Christ would be worn down to the point where he
would no longer care whether he sinned or not. But it made no
difference. Christ was still just as impervious to sin after
forty days in the outback as he was during the first 30 years of
his life in Nazareth because Christ's innocence doesn't depend
upon his resolve; rather, upon his genetics so to speak; viz:
upon God's [reproductive] seed.
While we're on the subject: what is the one thing God cannot do?
Well; the JWs' conditioned response is that God cannot lie (Heb
6:18). But a better response than that is God cannot sin. In
point of fact: it is just as impossible for God to sin as it is
for His progeny to sin. I mean; think about it. If God's progeny
is unable to sin due to the intrinsically sinless nature of
God's reproductive seed; then it goes without saying that the
source of that seed would be unable to sin too.
● Jas 1:13 . . For with evil things God cannot be tried.
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I'm sure you know that the Governing Body is viewed as "anointed
ones" who the rank and file JW must obey and instead of seeing
Jesus as the mediator, the rank and file JW are taught to view
the Governing Body as, and this is what they call it, the only
channel of communication to God. So in effect the Governing Body
put themselves above Jesus.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 10, 2018, 2:55 pm
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=197.msg2107#msg2107
date=1541881653] [font=arial]I'm sure you know that the
Governing Body is viewed as "anointed ones" who the rank and
file JW must obey[/font][/quote]
[font=arial]See reply No.22
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=197.msg2107#msg2107
date=1541881653] [font=arial]instead of seeing Jesus as the
mediator, the rank and file JW are taught to view the Governing
Body as, and this is what they call it, the only channel of
communication to God. [/font][/quote]
[font=arial]See reply No.13
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 12, 2018, 12:01 pm
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[font=arial]HO THEÓS
Q: Why does the Watchtower Society translate the Word in John
1:1 as a god in lower case instead of God in upper case?
A: The Watchtower Society's translation is based upon an
imaginary grammatical technicality.
The common Greek word for "god" is [I]theós[/I]. When it's
modified by the little Greek definite article ho the Society
translates [I]theós[/I] in upper case, viz: in the Society's
theological thinking; ho theós pertains to the one true God,
while [I]theós[/I] by itself is somewhat flexible, for example
John 1:18 and John 20:17 where [I]theós[/I] is translated in
upper case though it be not modified by ho.
However, according to Dr. Archibald T. Robertson's Grammar Of
The Greek New Testament, page 767: in regards to nouns in the
predicate; the article is not essential to speech. In other
words: when [I]theós[/I] is in the predicate, ho can be either
used, or not used, without making any real difference.
So then; a translator's decision whether to capitalize either of
the two [I]theós[/I] in John1:1 or not to capitalize them, is
entirely arbitrary rather than dictated by a strict rule of
Greek grammar.
The Society prefers "a god" because lower case is agreeable with
their opinion of Christ's celestial status.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 13, 2018, 9:43 am
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[font=arial]THE FIG TREE
● Mark 11:12-13 . .The next day, when they had come out
from Bethany, he became hungry. And from a distance he caught
sight of a fig tree that had leaves, and he went to see whether
he would perhaps find something on it. But, on coming to it, he
found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season of figs.
Q: If Jehovah really was in the world as the man Jesus, then why
didn't He know by omniscience that the fig tree would have no
fruit? Why was it necessary for Him to examine it up close in
person?
A: Jehovah's conduct in that matter would've been unusual but by
no means uncharacteristic.
In the 11th chapter of Genesis, the people built themselves a
tower. Jehovah came down to see the tower. Now, if Jehovah is
omnipresent and omniscient, then why bother coming down out of
heaven to inspect the tower in person?
In the 18th chapter of Genesis, Jehovah announced to Abraham
that He was on a journey to visit Sodom in order to determine
whether the reports He was hearing about the city were true or
not. Again: if Jehovah is omnipresent and omniscient, why bother
coming down out of heaven to visit Sodom in person?
In the 22nd chapter of Genesis, Jehovah had Abraham offer his
son as a sacrifice made with fire. At the conclusion of the
event; a celestial being-- speaking for Jehovah and speaking as
Jehovah --said: "Now I do know that you are God-fearing in that
you have not withheld your son, your only one, from Me."
It goes without saying that Jehovah knows every man's thoughts,
and He also knows the future, viz: nothing we do, say, or think
catches Jehovah by surprise; He sees everything. So then, if
Jehovah already knew in advance that Abraham would offer Isaac,
and already knew in advance that Abraham was God-fearing, then
why did He say "now I know"? Shouldn't Jehovah have already
known?
The only sensible answer to those questions, including the
question about the fig tree, is that there is a humanness to God
that began quietly coming to light all the way back in the very
beginning of the Bible; but the New Testament is where we see
God's humanness on display even more.
● John 1:18 . . No man has seen God at any time; the
only-begotten god, who is in the bosom position with the Father,
is the one that has explained him.
"explained him" is accurate enough but doesn't really say it
right-- "revealed him" is much better.
● John 14:7 . . . If you men had known me, you would have
known my Father also; from this moment on you know him and have
seen him. Philip said to him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it
is enough for us." Jesus said to him: "Have I been with you men
so long a time, and yet, Philip, you have not come to know me?
He that has seen me has seen the Father also.
Q: Well then, why didn't Jesus use his divine powers to make
that tree produce fruit for him to eat right then and there on
the spot instead of cursing the poor thing?
A: Isn't that similar to the Devil's reasoning in the 4th
chapter of Matthew?
The fact of the matter is: Jesus was micro-managed. He cursed
that fig tree in compliance with his Father's wishes to do so.
● John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven to do, not my
will, but the will of him that sent me.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing of my own initiative
● John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me; He did not
abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to
Him.
● John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified
● John 14:10 . . Do you not believe that I am in union
with the Father, and the Father is in union with me?
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 14, 2018, 11:11 am
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[font=arial]THOMAS' GOD(S)
● John 20:28 . . Thomas said to him: "My Lord and my God!"
"God" is from the Greek word theós
Many moons ago; I asked some Watchtower Society missionaries to
explain to me why their Bible translated theós in upper case in
Thomas' statement seeing as how in Watchtower theology; only
Jehovah should be referred to with capital letters. Well; they
were too inexperienced to explain and my question left them
stumped.
The fact of the matter is: in John 20:28, theós is modified by
the Greek definite article "ho". So by the Society's own rules;
its translators had to use upper case because it is their
practice that whenever theós is modified by the Greek definite
article, then the upper case is required.
For argument's sake; let's remove the upper cases and translate
the passage like this:
Thomas said to him: "my lord and my god!"
We could tolerate a lower case lord because that was a common
way to address just about any superior back in those days,
whether divine or otherwise; for example 1Pet 3:6.
However; we would have difficulty with a lower case god because
the passage is possessive. In other words: the apostle Thomas
didn't just declare that Jesus was a god. No, Thomas clearly
declared that Jesus was his god.
The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with Jehovah in the
books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy forbids
them to possess more than one god.
"And God proceeded to speak all these words, saying: I am
Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of slaves. You must not have any other gods
against my face." (Ex 20:1-30
"against my face" is a combination of two Hebrew words that
essentially refer to God's competitors. In other words: it is
not Jehovah's wishes to have a market share of His people's
affections; no, He'll settle for nothing less than 100%. (cf.
Mark 12:28-30)
If the apostle Thomas was a Torah-trained Jew, then he was fully
aware that possessing any other god but Jehovah would incur the
covenant's curse upon himself.
● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the one who will not put the
words of this law in force by doing them.
The way I see it: the Society has two options. Either the
apostle Thomas knew what he was doing when he addressed Jesus as
his god, or he meant to say something else.
Now, if the apostle Thomas knew what he was doing when he
addressed Jesus as his god, then John Q and Jane Doe JWs need to
ask around and find out why it is that Jesus Christ was the
apostle Thomas' god but he isn't the Watchtower Society's god.
Plus: I would really like to know how it is that the apostle
Thomas and the Watchtower Society are poles apart in their
opinions of Christ's divine status when Thomas actually
associated with Christ and was one of his close personal
friends.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 15, 2018, 8:09 pm
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[font=arial]CHRIST'S GOD
● John 20:17 . . Be on your way to my brothers and say to
them; "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God
and your God."
Q: If Jesus is God, as classical Christianity claims, then how
can he have a god? Does God worship Himself?
A: I have yet to encounter the language of John 20:17 in
reverse, viz: I have yet to see a passage in the Bible where the
Father refers to His son as "my God".
For simplicity's sake; it helps to think of the true God as a
species; viz: if indeed a true God were to beget a child, He
would beget a child of like species; i.e. a true God would beget
a true divine being like Himself because that's the only kind of
offspring that a true God could engender; just as when a true
human begets a child, they beget a child of like species i.e.
they beget a true human being like themselves because that's the
only kind of offspring that a true human can engender.
There is a hierarchy in the divine relationship just as there is
a hierarchy in human relationships. Though all members of a
human family are equally human, they are not all equal in rank
and privilege; some are superior and some are subordinate. (cf.
John 14:28, 1Cor 15:28)
Now, we can volley back and forth with JWs, countering each
other's verses with more verses: verse upon verse; but I can
just about guarantee that us and they will both be chasing our
tails and getting nowhere unless we approach the Son's
relationship to his Father from a biological perspective; which
is a perspective that just about anybody with even a cursory
knowledge of the birds and the bees can understand with ease.
The Watchtower Bible And Tract Society calls Jesus "the
only-begotten son from a Father" and also "the only-begotten
god". Well, don't let that mislead you. The Society dare not
accept Christ's status as God's literal offspring because the
ramifications would require that they revise their theology.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 16, 2018, 8:15 pm
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[font=arial]LEARNING OBEDIENCE
● Heb 5:7-9 . . In the days of his flesh Christ offered up
supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save
him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was
favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he
learned obedience from the things he suffered; and after he had
been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting
salvation to all those obeying him
The "perfection" Jesus Christ obtained by means of suffering is
directly related to his high priesthood rather than his personal
conduct.
● Heb 5:10 . . Because he has been specifically called by
God a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek.
In order for a high priest to be effective, he has to be capable
of empathy.
● Heb 5:1-3 . . For every high priest taken from among men
is appointed in behalf of men over the things pertaining to God,
that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He is able to
deal moderately with the ignorant and erring ones since he also
is surrounded with his own weakness, and on its account he is
obliged to make offerings for sins as much for himself as for
the people.
Jesus Christ of course could do no wrong of his own; but he was
put through the wringer so he'd have a taste of what us mere
mortals face every day of our lives.
● Heb 4:15 . . For we have as high priest, not one who
cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been
tested in all respects like ourselves, but without sin.
Hence, the purpose of the suffering that the Son endured was for
a far different purpose than the discipline which the Father's
lesser sons are put through at Heb 12:5-11 since according to
1John 3:9 and Col 2:9 it was, and it still is, impossible for
God's son to ever be unholy, or unrighteous, or disobedient.
In other words; the Son's suffering was for the purpose of
experiencing first-hand what it's like to obey as a human being.
As the Word in heaven, obedience is his way of life because
according to John 1:1-14, the Word is a god; but the rest of us
are mere mortals. Obedience isn't a piece of cake for those of
us who are only human.
It's one thing to sympathize and say you feel your fellow man's
pain; but in order to truly empathize with his pain; you've got
to go through it yourself. It's exactly that which makes Jesus
an excellent choice for high priesthood in heaven because the
things he suffered made him a "merciful" high priest; viz: an
high priest that's truly one of us instead of an indifferent
judgmental bigot from another world.
During America's dust bowl era in the 1930's, the Federal Farm
Security Administration sent out an educated young lady named
Sonora Babb to counsel migrant farm workers out west. Nobody
trusted her until they found out she grew up in the so-called No
Man's Land of the southern great plains. Sonora wasn't just
another indifferent stuffed-shirt bureaucrat. She was familiar
with the dust bowlers' way of life first-hand, and it made all
the difference in the quality of her rapport with migrant farm
workers.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 16, 2018, 8:17 pm
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[font=arial]I'm not in the habit of offering unsolicited
spiritual counseling on internet forums; but today I probably
should.
Post No.36 addressed Christ's high priesthood. Non-anointed
Jehovah's Witnesses-- a.k.a. the earthly class; viz: the hewers
of wood and haulers of water, the great crowd ---do not have
direct access to it, rather, they have indirect access to
Christ's high priesthood via their affiliation with the
Watchtower Society. (See post No.13)
May I suggest to any and/or all JWs hereabout that they take
advantage of whatever degree of access they have for now and
speak up candidly and forthrightly with Christ, asking him if
there isn't some way to take advantage of his high priesthood's
services without having to be affiliated with the Watchtower
Society; i.e. as a free moral agent instead of dependent upon a
hierarchy.
It's a reasonable request, and I'm pretty sure if asked in all
honesty and sincerity that Christ will get back to its inquirer
with a response.
● John 6:37-28 . . Everything the Father gives me will
come to me, and the one that comes to me I will by no means
drive away; because I have come down from heaven to do, not my
will, but the will of him that sent me.
● Heb 4:16 . . Let us, therefore, approach with freeness
of speech to the throne of undeserved kindness, that we may
obtain mercy and find undeserved kindness for help at the right
time.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 17, 2018, 5:30 pm
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[font=arial]THE PARAKLETOS
● John 14:16-17 . . I will request the Father and he will
give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of
the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither
beholds it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with
you and is in you.
● John 14:26 . .The helper, the holy spirit, which the
Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things
and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.
John Q and Jane Doe non-anointed Watchtower Society missionaries
are taught to believe that God's spirit is alongside assisting
them to identify, and to understand, the correct interpretations
of the Bible. However, the Society's missionaries are also
taught that only a special guild of 144,000 anointed Jehovah's
Witnesses actually have the spirit "inside" them rather than
only alongside and that is very serious. Here's why:
● Rom 8:9 . .You are in harmony, not with the flesh, but
with the spirit, if God's spirit truly dwells in you.
Seeing as how God's spirit does not truly dwell in John Q and
Jane Doe missionary, then they are, by default, in harmony with
the flesh. That only makes things worse. Here's why:
● Rom 8:5-8 . . For those who are in accord with the flesh
set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those in accord
with the spirit on the things of the spirit. For the minding of
the flesh means death, but the minding of the spirit means life
and peace; because the minding of the flesh means enmity with
God, for it is not under subjection to the law of God, nor, in
fact, can it be. So those who are in harmony with the flesh
cannot please God.
Their situation is just too ironic for words: John Q and Jane
Doe missionaries displease God, and He displeases them; yet they
go door-to-door sincerely believing themselves Jehovah's friends
and allies.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 19, 2018, 8:43 pm
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[font=arial]THE LAST ADAM
● 1Cor 15:45a . . The first man Adam became a living soul.
● 1Cor 15:47 . .The first man is out of the earth and made
of dust
Those verses are references to Gen 2:7, which reads like this:
"Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the
ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the
man came to be a living soul."
The Watchtower Society alleges that Jehovah God wasn't directly
involved in creating the first man, rather, His involvement was
indirect. According to them, the actual work was done by the
hand of a divine being called the Word.
"In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All
things came into existence through him, and apart from him not
even one thing came into existence." (John 1:1-3)
Seeing as that's the case; then the breath of life spoken of in
Gen 2:7 was blown into the first man's nostrils by the Word. In
all respects then, we owe the beginning of the original human
race to the Word just as much as we owe it to Jehovah God
because both are given credit for its origin.
● 1Cor 15:45b . .The last Adam became a life-giving
spirit.
That verse speaks of the origin of yet another human race. This
second human race wasn't made of dust from the ground, nor was
it given consciousness by blowing into its nostrils the breath
of life, nor did it come to be a living soul.
Up to this point; I'm told of only two life-giving spirits in
the Bible: the Word and Jehovah God. So unless there is now
three life-giving spirits, I feel safe to conclude that the last
Adam is one of the two; i.e. he's either the Word or he's
Jehovah God. Well; it's easy to show by John 1:14 that the last
Adam and the Word are one and the same person.
"So the Word became flesh and resided among us"
Q: When did this last Adam become a life-giving spirit? At his
birth or at his resurrection?
A: According to John 5:26 and 1John 1:1-2, the Word is an
everlasting life which, according to Gen 21:33 and Rom 16:26, is
an indestructible category of life that's impervious to death.
And according to John 1:1, the Word is a god. Well; people die,
but gods never die. (Ps 82:6-7)
So the Word didn't go out of existence when he came into the
world as an h.sapiens; which means of course that Jesus Christ
was a life-giving spirit right from the moment of his conception
rather than at his resurrection; i.e. he was capable of giving
life prior to his crucifixion.
Speaking to the Jews of his day; Jesus said:
"My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow
me. And I give them everlasting life" (John 10:27-28)
"You are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by
means of them you will have everlasting life; and these are the
very ones that bear witness about me. And yet you do not want to
come to me that may have life." (John 10:39-40)
Q: So you're saying a created man pioneered the original human
race; and a man who's both creator and created pioneered the
second human race?
A: Yes.
● 1Cor 15:47 . .The second man is out of heaven.
● John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven
● John 6:42 . . They began saying: Is this not Jesus the
son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it that
now he says: I have come down from heaven?
The dual nature of Christ's existence is a fatal hang-up for the
Watchtower Society due to its spurious belief that it's
impossible for the Word to exist as a human being and a spirit
being simultaneously. But the evidence is very difficult to
refute.
It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
(Mark Twain)
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