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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: October 28, 2018, 4:09 pm
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[font=arial]POSITIVE PROOFS
● Acts 1:1-3 . .The first account, O Theophilus, I
composed about all the things Jesus started both to do and to
teach, until the day that he was taken up, after he had given
commandment through holy spirit to the apostles whom he chose.
To these also by many positive proofs he showed himself alive
after he had suffered.
The Watchtower Society's version of those "positive proofs" is
interesting.
In order to show his friends that their savior was back from
death, an angel named Michael is alleged to have materialized an
artificial Jesus that was in all respects just as physical, and
just as functional, as the real Jesus.
However:
1• The New Testament never even one time, on any occasion, nor
under any circumstances, nor in any situation, either attests,
alleges, alludes, or states that an angel named Michael appeared
in Christ's human form cloaked in a materialized body.
2• The Society's Michael never once let on to his friends that
he was an angel in disguise. He led them to believe that his
avatar was the actual Jesus Christ they all knew prior to his
crucifixion.
3• Passing one's self off in the guise of a dead man is the
lowest form of identity theft imaginable. People do it all the
time; and it's what I expect from human beings, but that is not
the kind of behavior I have a right to expect from an arch
angel.
4• A so-called materialized body is not a real person; it's an
avatar.
5• Neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor James, nor Jude, ever
even one single instance in any of their writings identify Jesus
Christ as an angel named Michael: not once. You'd think that if
Jesus Christ is currently an angel who goes by the name of
Michael, those men would have said so because that would be a
really big deal.
[B]Q:[/B] Why make an issue of the nature of Christ's
resurrection?
[B]A:[/B] Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to
disprove the resurrection of Jesus' crucified dead body because
his crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the
wrath of God. Though his physical body's death obtains
forgiveness for people's sins, its death doesn't gain people an
acquittal.
● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our
trespasses, and was raised up for the sake of declaring us
righteous.
The Greek word translated "righteous" is [I]dikaiosis[/I]
(dik-ah'-yo-sis) whjich means acquittal; defined as an
adjudication of innocence.
People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they
have a criminal record. Christ's physical resurrection deletes
their record so that on the books, it's as though they've never
been anything but 100% innocent.
This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained
via the kindness and generosity of God through belief in the
resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body. If the Devil can
succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still
dead or, even better yet, make them question whether the man
even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal,
and consequently end up put to death in brimstone because
records are to be reviewed when people stand to face justice at
the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
Of all the doctrines invented by the Watchtower Society, I'd
have to say that their resurrection story is the most insidious
because belief in the recovery of Christ's crucified dead body
is one of the essential elements of the gospel that must be
accepted if one is to have any chance at all of escaping the sum
of all fears.
● 1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith
is worthless; you are still in your sins.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: October 29, 2018, 3:30 am
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg1871#msg1871
date=1540760499]
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[font=arial]Pedophilia isn't unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. It's
prevalent among Catholics and Protestants too, so I don't
recommend attempting to invalidate the Watchtower Book and Tract
Society via that route seeing as how pedophilia isn't all that
uncommon: it's just a fact of life, sort of like people
J-walking and/or coasting thru STOP signs without bringing their
car to a complete halt.
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I think most people know that pedophilia isn't unique to JWs. It
is not acceptable no matter how prevalent it is. But we're
talking about JWs right now. And I know that the JWs who have
had this happen to them would be shocked, appalled and no doubt
angered by such a comparison as J Walking and running a stop
sign. Their lives have been destroyed by this and they suffer
and their lives will never be the same. Many of them have
committed suicide not only because they were sexually abused but
also because they were disfellowshipped for naming names and
then they were shunned by their families and treated as if they
were dead. That is also devastating to them. There are too many
things to mention that proves how much JWs are abused and
mistreated.
I have spoken out about the sexual abuse in Catholic Churches. I
heard recently that Catholics are using their wallets to protest
this so good for them. But if I was Catholic I think I would
just leave and not come back because this sort of thing has been
going on for so long and nothing is done about it.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: October 29, 2018, 8:46 am
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[font=arial]THE IN CROWD
● Rom 8:9 . .You are in harmony, not with the flesh, but
with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you.
NOTE: The Watchtower Society does not acknowledge God's spirit
as a sentient being, rather:
"The holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person
but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself
to accomplish his holy will." (Reasoning From The Scriptures, p.
381)
I highly recommend avoiding debate with JWs over the personage
of God's spirit because they will match you scripture for
scripture and you're likely to just end up going round and
round in circles and never get to the bottom of anything.
Anyway; Rom 8:9 informs the Watchtower Society's elite class of
144,000 anointed Witnesses that they are in harmony with God's
spirit; seeing as how it's alleged that the anointed class has
God's sprit truly dwelling in them.
At the same time; it informs the non-anointed class of Witnesses
that they are in harmony, not with God's spirit, but with the
flesh; and that is not a good thing seeing as they that are in
harmony with the flesh are Jehovah's adversaries; unwilling to
either please Him or comply with His wishes. If John Q and Jane
Doe non-anointed Witness don't know this; then all I can say is:
they've got some catching up to do.
● Rom 8:8 . . So those who are in harmony with the flesh
cannot please God.
There's more.
● 1John 2:26-27 . .These things I write you about those
who are trying to mislead you. And as for you, the anointing
that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need
anyone to be teaching you; but, as the anointing from him is
teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and
just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.
In a nutshell: the anointed class is allegedly able to remain in
union with Christ on their own by means of the one-on-one
spiritual guidance that the anointing provides them. Seeing as
how the non-anointed class doesn't have access to either the
anointing or the anointing's one-on-one spiritual guidance; they
therefore are incapable of remaining in union with Christ on
their own.
That, coupled with their resistance to God as per Rom 8:8,
leaves John Q and Jane Doe non-anointed Witness in a defenseless
spiritual condition; vz: they are susceptible to deception by
means of clever sophistry, semantic double speak, and humanistic
reasoning.
There's more yet:
Non anointed Witnesses sincerely believe they don't need the
anointing because they obtain their spiritual instruction from
anointed leaders. However, according to 1Cor 2:12-14, non
anointed Witnesses will neither listen to, nor accept,
instruction from an anointed teacher because a physical man does
not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are
foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they
are examined spiritually.
FYI: "physical man" (a.k.a. natural man) is the Bible's
terminology for non anointed people. Here's the way that non
anointed people are described with language from a classical
version of the Bible.
"We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who
is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given
us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human
wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual
truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not
accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are
foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they
are spiritually discerned."
Therefore; if non anointed Witness are receiving and accepting
spiritual instruction from their leaders, it's only because
their leaders are just as non anointed as they are, i.e. it is
an actual, real-life case of the blind leading the blind.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: October 30, 2018, 4:09 pm
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[font=arial]MEDIATION
● 1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.
On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible
Understanding a mediator is defined as one who interposes
between two parties at variance to reconcile them: an
intercessor.
Here's a question that someone wrote in to the "Questions From
Readers" section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower
magazine, asking:
Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the
144,000)
The answer given in the magazine is YES.
The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To
Bible Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only
ones who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)
Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the
coattails of the 144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect,
second party mediator for the rank and file via their
affiliation with the Watchtower Society.
It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company
doesn't sell direct; its business is conducted through brokers.
In essence, that's what the Society presumes itself: Jesus
Christ's mediation brokerage.
So then; when a Jehovah's Witness either defects or is
disfellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the mediator that
they enjoyed within the Society's fold; right quick losing all
contact with God, and placing themselves in grave danger of the
calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.
Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is
impossible for non-anointed people to be on peaceful terms with
God apart from affiliation with the Society's anointed class,
a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.
In other words: Christ's mediation as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with
Christ's association with the faithful and wise steward; and
from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing the faithful and
wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: October 30, 2018, 6:55 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg1912#msg1912
date=1540933778]
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[font=arial]MEDIATION FOR THE EARTHLY CLASS
● 1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.
On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible
Understanding a mediator is defined as one who interposes
between two parties at variance to reconcile them: an
intercessor.
Here's a question that someone wrote in to the "Questions From
Readers" section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower
magazine, asking:
Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the
144,000)
The answer given in the magazine is YES.
The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To
Bible Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only
ones who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)
Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the
coattails of the 144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect,
second party mediator for the rank and file via their
affiliation with the Watchtower Society.
It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company
doesn't sell direct; its business is conducted through brokers.
In essence, that's what the Society presumes itself: Jesus
Christ's mediation brokerage.
So then; when a Jehovah's Witness either defects or is
dis-fellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the mediator that
he enjoyed within the Society's fold; and he right quick loses
all contact with God; and finds himself in grave danger of the
calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.
Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is
impossible for non-anointed people to be on peaceful terms with
God apart from affiliation with the Society's anointed class,
a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.
In other words: Christ's mediation as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with
Christ's association with the faithful and wise steward; and
from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing the faithful and
wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Plain and simple, Th Jehovah's Witness
(Watchtower Ministries) are a CULT!
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: October 31, 2018, 9:27 am
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[font=arial]CHRIST IN HEAVEN
[B]Q:[/B] 1Cor 15:50 clearly testifies that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Wouldn't that fact alone
preclude the possibility of Christ's crucified dead body
returning to life?
[B]A:[/B] First, and foremost; it was essential that Christ's
crucified dead body be returned to life or otherwise his
prediction as per John 2:19-22, and the Scriptures as per Ps
16:10, Luke 24:44-46, and Acts 2:24-32 would be easily proven
false.
The chemistry of Jesus' original body had to be the same when it
revived. However, as 1Cor 15:50 says: his body's original
material is unsuitable for life in a celestial environment. So
then, in order for Jesus to be up there as a physical being, the
chemistry of his body had to be reformulated.
God is very creative so I seriously doubt that flesh and blood
are the only materials that He has to work with. I also
seriously doubt that spirit material is the default material
when flesh and blood are not an option; I mean, after all, if
God was able to design the human body in its original form to
inhabit the Earth, I see no reason why He would not be able to
redesign it to inhabit a celestial abode.
[B]Q:[/B] When would the chemistry of Christ's body have
undergone this reformulation?
[B]A:[/B] Some day all of Christ's believing followers will be
physically resurrected and taken up to meet the Lord in the air
(1Thes 4:13-17). On the way up, their natural bodies will
undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation (1Cor 15:51-53).
They'll become superhuman; viz: deathless and ageless.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's crucified body
underwent a similar transformation while on the way up to heaven
as per Acts 1:9 so that today his body is no longer a normal
human body; but instead, a superhuman body to which all his
believing followers' bodies will one day conform. (Php 4:20-21)
NOTE: Although the chemistry of Christ's body has been
reformulated; it's still capable of dining upon ordinary foods
and beverages. (Mark 14:25 and Luke 22:16-18)
[B]Q:[/B] If Jesus Christ's corpse really did return to life;
then how did he get it into a room without opening the door?
(John 20:19)
[B]A:[/B] Christ walked on water, restored withered limbs, cured
people born blind, healed serious diseases like leprosy,
restored dead bodies to life, controlled the weather, multiplied
fish and bread, turned water into wine, and levitated. Plus; he
once said that rocks could be made to speak. (Luke 19:40)
What's one more miracle, more or less? Walking through walls?
Disappearing and reappearing? How hard could any of that really
be for a man with the powers of God at his disposal?
It's curious how people can say they believe in miracles but yet
cannot believe that God has sufficient control over the laws of
nature to make a physical human body pass through solid objects.
[B]Q:[/B] Well; if Jehovah has enough control over the laws of
nature to pass a physical human body through closed doors, then
couldn't He pass the arch angel Michael through the door as a
spirit and then materialize him on the other side as a human in
order to communicate with his friends?
[B]A:[/B] That would be acceptable if only there were some
record of it in the New Testament. But it is an irrefutable fact
that the New Testament not even one time, on any occasion, nor
under any circumstances, nor in any situation, either attests,
alleges, alludes, or states that an angel named Michael appeared
to Christ's friends cloaked in a human avatar. That doctrine
doesn't come from the New Testament. It's a humanistic fantasy.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 1, 2018, 5:16 am
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[font=arial]SPIRIT BODY VS SPIRITUAL BODY
● 1Cor 15:44 . . It is sown a physical body, it is raised
up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also
a spiritual one.
Watch as I misquote that passage because the difference, though
subtle. Is significant.
"It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spirit body. If
there is a physical body, there is also a spirit one."
No; it doesn't say spirit body but nevertheless that's what some
people have decided it ought to say.
The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't
necessarily refer to the characteristics of a body with the
consistency of thin air. Below is a list of spiritual things
that bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the bodily
chemistry of an angel or a demon.
Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
Spiritual counselors (Gal 6:1)
Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)
I'm inclined to believe that the spiritual body spoken of at
1Cor 15:44 is in no way composed of a gaseous substance. Of what
material it is composed I don't know; but I do know at least
four things about it.
1• The spiritual body is patterned after Christ's glorified
body.
● Phil 3:20-21 . .Our citizenship is in heaven. And we
eagerly await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who,
by the power that enables him to bring everything under his
control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be
like his glorious body.
2• The spiritual body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods.
● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this
Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not
eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.
3• The spiritual body is capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.
● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this
fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it
anew with you in my Father's kingdom.
4• The spiritual body is capable of being seen by the naked eye.
● Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking
into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into
heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him
go into heaven.
● Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and
every eye will see him, even those who pierced him
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: Olde Tymer Date: November 2, 2018, 9:39 am
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[font=arial]CHRIST'S PARABLES
Fiction can be defined as stories about people, places, and
events that, though untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.
Fantasy can be defined as stories about people, places, and
events that are not only untrue; but implausible; viz:
unrealistic.
For example: a story about a wooden boy like Pinocchio is
unrealistic; while a story about a boy with autism is realistic.
The difference between Pinocchio and the autistic boy is that
the one is compatible with normal reality; while the other is
far removed from normal reality.
I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that
could not possibly be a real-life story. They're all actually
quite believable-- banquets, stewards, weddings, farmers sowing
seed, pearls, lost sheep, fish nets, women losing coins, sons
leaving home, wineskins bursting, tares among the wheat,
leavened bread, barren fig trees, the blind leading the blind,
et al.
Now; if Christ had told one that alleged the moon was made of
green cheese; we would have good reason to believe that at least
that one was fantasy; but none of them are like that. No;
there's nothing out of the ordinary in his parables. At best;
Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never fantasy
because none of them are so far removed from the normal round of
human experience that they have no basis in reality whatsoever.
Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of
course implies that the story is fiction; and some would even
say fantasy. But the parable theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is
not a fictional character: he's a real-life man; the father of
the Hebrew people, held in very high esteem by at least three of
the world's prominent religions: Judaism, Christianity, and
Islam. And he's also the friend of God (Isa 41:8). I simply
cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among normal
Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say something
untrue about a famous real-life man; especially about one of his
Father's buddies.
And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times.
Well; if the story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record
testifying that Abraham said things that he didn't really say;
which is a clear violation of the commandment that prohibits
bearing false witness.
There is something else to consider.
The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with
Jesus Christ. No, it originated with his Father. In other words:
Christ was micro-managed.
● John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words
● John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to
the world those things which I have heard of Him.
● John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I
speak these things as the Father taught me.
● John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the
Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should
say, and what I should speak.
● John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but
the Father's who sent me.
So, by alleging that Luke 16:19-31 is fiction/fantasy, the
parable theory slanders God by insinuating that He's a person of
marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth about
people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot
lie.
God's impeccable character is what makes that narrative all the
more terrifying. Unless somebody can prove, beyond a shadow of a
doubt, that Christ's Father is a tale-spinner; I pretty much
have to assume the narrative was drawn from real-life; and if
not drawn from real life, then at least based upon real life.
In other words: there really is an afterlife place of conscious
suffering where people endure unbearable anxiety worrying their
loved ones are on a road to where they are and there is no way
to warn them; which brings to mind the survivors of the Titanic
watching their loved ones go to Davy Jones while utterly
helpless to do anything about it.
People for whom I feel the most pity are parents that brought up
their children in a religion whose pot at the end of the rainbow
is filled with molten sulfur rather than gold. How do people
bear up under something like that on their conscience?
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest17 Date: November 2, 2018, 11:01 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=197.msg1914#msg1914
date=1540943719]
[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg1912#msg1912
date=1540933778]
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[font=arial]MEDIATION FOR THE EARTHLY CLASS
● 1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.
On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible
Understanding a mediator is defined as one who interposes
between two parties at variance to reconcile them: an
intercessor.
Here's a question that someone wrote in to the "Questions From
Readers" section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower
magazine, asking:
Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the
144,000)
The answer given in the magazine is YES.
The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To
Bible Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only
ones who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)
Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the
coattails of the 144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect,
second party mediator for the rank and file via their
affiliation with the Watchtower Society.
It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company
doesn't sell direct; its business is conducted through brokers.
In essence, that's what the Society presumes itself: Jesus
Christ's mediation brokerage.
So then; when a Jehovah's Witness either defects or is
dis-fellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the mediator that
he enjoyed within the Society's fold; and he right quick loses
all contact with God; and finds himself in grave danger of the
calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.
Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is
impossible for non-anointed people to be on peaceful terms with
God apart from affiliation with the Society's anointed class,
a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.
In other words: Christ's mediation as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with
Christ's association with the faithful and wise steward; and
from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing the faithful and
wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
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[shadow=blue,left]Plain and simple, Th Jehovah's Witness
(Watchtower Ministries) are a CULT!
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I'm sorry to say that I have to agree with that. But I have
compassion for people who are trapped in cults. I would like to
try to help them if I can which is the reason I have been making
posts trying to inform JWs about the Watchtower's deception and
lies. Unfortunately there are those who accuse me of attacking
JWs and that is not what I'm doing.
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Re: Experiencing Jehovah's Witnesses
By: guest8 Date: November 2, 2018, 4:37 pm
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=197.msg1972#msg1972
date=1541174462]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=197.msg1914#msg1914
date=1540943719]
[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=197.msg1912#msg1912
date=1540933778]
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[font=arial]MEDIATION FOR THE EARTHLY CLASS
● 1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.
On page 1129 of the Watchtower publication Aid To Bible
Understanding a mediator is defined as one who interposes
between two parties at variance to reconcile them: an
intercessor.
Here's a question that someone wrote in to the "Questions From
Readers" section of the April 01, 1976 issue of Watchtower
magazine, asking:
Is Jesus the mediator only for anointed Christians? (a.k.a. the
144,000)
The answer given in the magazine is YES.
The magazine's answer is corroborated on page 1130 of Aid To
Bible Understanding where it says that the 144,000 are the only
ones who have the mediator; a.k.a. Jesus Christ. (1John 2:1)
Intercession for non anointed Witnesses is accomplished on the
coattails of the 144,000; viz: Jesus Christ is an indirect,
second party mediator for the rank and file via their
affiliation with the Watchtower Society.
It's sort of like buying insurance from Allstate. The company
doesn't sell direct; its business is conducted through brokers.
In essence, that's what the Society presumes itself: Jesus
Christ's mediation brokerage.
So then; when a Jehovah's Witness either defects or is
dis-fellowshipped, it breaks the pipeline to the mediator that
he enjoyed within the Society's fold; and he right quick loses
all contact with God; and finds himself in grave danger of the
calamities depicted in the book of Revelation.
Bottom line: According to Watchtower Society theology; it is
impossible for non-anointed people to be on peaceful terms with
God apart from affiliation with the Society's anointed class,
a.k.a. the faithful and wise steward.
In other words: Christ's mediation as per 1Tim 2:5 is
accomplished via a chain of communication that begins with
Christ's association with the faithful and wise steward; and
from thence to the rest of humanity. Removing the faithful and
wise steward from the chain cuts humanity off from Christ; thus
leaving them with no way to reconcile with God.
_[/font]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Plain and simple, Th Jehovah's Witness
(Watchtower Ministries) are a CULT!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
I'm sorry to say that I have to agree with that. But I have
compassion for people who are trapped in cults. I would like to
try to help them if I can which is the reason I have been making
posts trying to inform JWs about the Watchtower's deception and
lies. Unfortunately there are those who accuse me of attacking
JWs and that is not what I'm doing.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
I understand. Have some neighbors (good friends actually) that
are/were and were not? (cannot tell which way they are
now)J-Who's.
I ask them about the 144,000 and the fact that the other 250,000
J-Who's would not get to go to heaven. Their reply was the
others were supposed to have Heaven on Earth instead. They only
believe in Jehovah and not in Jesus Christ as His SON. And like
many in a cult or Not and still believe in its doctrine, you
cannot change their minds. I think they do something to them,
like turning off a light switch vs pulling the power altogether.
They simply will not change.
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