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#Post#: 1750--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 21, 2018, 1:29 pm
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When you don't believe the 1,000 years you see it nowhere in the
NT but when you do believe it, it is everywhere. Paul's letters
hardly make sense apart from it.
God's plan for the fulness of time is to UNITE in Christ all
things, whether they be things in heaven or things on earth
But they are not united now nor shall they be at the moment of
Christ's return...there must therefore be a new age.
The creation is to be set FREE from it's bondage to
decay....when is that going to happen.
#Post#: 1771--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 23, 2018, 12:31 am
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1706#msg1706
date=1540062985]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=191.msg1698#msg1698
date=1540042416]
[font=georgia]Reva.13.:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had
2 horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon.
This is the false prophet and forerunner to the false Messiah
Antichrist or the beast. He is a very important person and he
will come soon. He will announce the long awaited coming of the
Messiah to the Jews, his ministry will be supernatural and he
will convince not only the Jews but also the whole world.
The Jews will go home, ALL of them. And they will start the
re-building of the temple from whence, he will claim, Messiah is
to rule the world.
This is the basis of the pact between Israel and the Antichrist,
that all religions must be abolished. This will make believing
in Christ our Lord the most odious crime in the whole
world...the church is simply not ready for this.
Of course Antichrist will have his heart set on that seat in the
temple.[/font]
[/quote]
Hi Billy, :)
Already fulfilled in Ananus ben Seth, the Ab-bet-Din, and
Kaiaphas, the Nasiy-Prince Kohen: two horns like a lamb but
speaking as a dragon, (and by the way those two names in the
Luke 3:2 phrase have a Greek gematria value of 666,
"αννα και
καιαφα" = gematira 666). Moreover
the popular dating of the Apocalypse circa 95AD is utterly
fallacious and truly incomprehensible in light of the wealth of
actual information available in the N/T scripture itself.
For one small example:
Revelation 1:1 ASV
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show
unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to
pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant
John;
Mark 1:12-13 ASV
12 And straightway the Spirit driveth him forth into the
wilderness.
13 And he was in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and
he was with the wild beasts;
[θηριων] and the angels ministered
unto him.
Yes, he was tested by the Satan and was with the
θηριων-beasts, same word employed
throughout the Apocalypse for the beast, beasts, and wild
beasts, (for ex. even in Rev 6:8 ). And if anyone thinks that in
this case it means literal lions, leopards, and she-bears robbed
of their cubs, the same is surely mistaken: for the scripture
speaks from and of itself and the only beasts that count are
those found in the scripture, (especially when it comes to
prophetic utterances and their fulfillments, see Hos 13:7-8, Dan
7:3-8, etc.).
So then, when do you suppose the Master received this Revelation
from God? as it says in Rev 1:1? Was it circa 95AD? Was it more
than sixty years after he had already been crucified,
resurrected, and had sat down at the right hand of the Father?
Should I really be expected to believe that after more than
sixty years, sitting at the right hand of the Father on High,
that the Master could suddenly be given any kind of new
revelation at all? How is that possible? How can there be any
new revelation while already dwelling in that totally pure,
totally holy, unapproachable light which no man has seen or can
see? I cannot in any way imagine it to be possible that he sat
down at the right hand of the Father and then, more than sixty
years after the fact, received something new. Additionally I
have the Gospel of Mark, as quoted herein above, quietly
whispering to me precisely when and where the Master received
the Revelation.
Moreover when you open this book you are opening up the elusive
"Q Source", (which is why the blind scholars cannot find it:
they do not even have the dating close, and they see it all as
still yet future despite what the author himself says about it
being about to shortly come to pass). And when you open up this
book you are reading the words of a Kohen: the greatest of men
having been born of women, he who immerses you in the water of
the Word, (if you keep the sayings of this book). ;D
Edited to remove font color for scripture text. :)
.
[/quote]
[font=georgia]I wish also that you would give consideration to
this.
Few NT books were given titles by the authors of them, the
titles i.e "The Revelation of St John the divine" was added
later.
[font=georgia][size=14pt][color=limegreen]Suppose in the
original the title comprised the opening words of the book, you
would have this
The Revelation of John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God
gave to him to show unto His servants, things which must shortly
come to pass, and He sent and signified it by His Angel unto His
servant John.
The whole meaning is thus transformed. And I totally agree the
present understanding of those opening words are clumsy and
somewhat amiss scripturally.
Now the revelation is not given to Jesus Christ but to John and
not given to John by an angel but by the Angel of the Lord, much
more fitting NT doctrine.
But it is not a revelation of Jesus Christ it is THE revelation
of Jesus Christ. In other words His revelation when He comes on
the Lord's day. With the same meaning Paul gives it when he
speaks of creation groaning in travail with us for the
revelation of the sons of God.
This sews up nicely the meaning of the whole of chapter
1.[/font]
[/color][/size][/font]
#Post#: 1773--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 23, 2018, 12:54 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=191.msg1771#msg1771
date=1540272696][font=georgia]I wish also that you would give
consideration to this.
Few NT books were given titles by the authors of them, the
titles i.e "The Revelation of St John the divine" was added
later.
[font=georgia][size=14pt][color=limegreen]Suppose in the
original the title comprised the opening words of the book, you
would have this
The Revelation of John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God
gave to him to show unto His servants, things which must shortly
come to pass, and He sent and signified it by His Angel unto His
servant John.
The whole meaning is thus transformed. And I totally agree the
present understanding of those opening words are clumsy and
somewhat amiss scripturally.
Now the revelation is not given to Jesus Christ but to John and
not given to John by an angel but by the Angel of the Lord, much
more fitting NT doctrine.
But it is not a revelation of Jesus Christ it is THE revelation
of Jesus Christ. In other words His revelation when He comes on
the Lord's day. With the same meaning Paul gives it when he
speaks of creation groaning in travail with us for the
revelation of the sons of God.
This sews up nicely the meaning of the whole of chapter
1.[/font]
[/color][/size][/font]
[/quote]
Well said, except for one thing, what makes you think his name
is not there? His name is Yohanan and the Master himself also
says he is Eliyahu, (if anyone will receive it), and therefore
he is Yohanan Eliyahu, (in Greek the initials for these two
Hebrew names would be Iota and Heta, [font=times new
roman]Ι̅H[/font], (not to be confused with Yah Elohim,
[font=times new roman]Ι̅H[/font])). Chew on that for a
while. ;D
.
#Post#: 1892--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest8 Date: October 29, 2018, 7:23 pm
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1773#msg1773
date=1540274078]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=191.msg1771#msg1771
date=1540272696][font=georgia]I wish also that you would give
consideration to this.
Few NT books were given titles by the authors of them, the
titles i.e "The Revelation of St John the divine" was added
later.
[font=georgia][size=14pt][color=limegreen]Suppose in the
original the title comprised the opening words of the book, you
would have this
The Revelation of John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God
gave to him to show unto His servants, things which must shortly
come to pass, and He sent and signified it by His Angel unto His
servant John.
The whole meaning is thus transformed. And I totally agree the
present understanding of those opening words are clumsy and
somewhat amiss scripturally.
Now the revelation is not given to Jesus Christ but to John and
not given to John by an angel but by the Angel of the Lord, much
more fitting NT doctrine.
But it is not a revelation of Jesus Christ it is THE revelation
of Jesus Christ. In other words His revelation when He comes on
the Lord's day. With the same meaning Paul gives it when he
speaks of creation groaning in travail with us for the
revelation of the sons of God.
This sews up nicely the meaning of the whole of chapter
1.[/font]
[/color][/size][/font]
[/quote]
Well said, except for one thing, what makes you think his name
is not there? His name is Yohanan and the Master himself also
says he is Eliyahu, (if anyone will receive it), and therefore
he is Yohanan Eliyahu, (in Greek the initials for these two
Hebrew names would be Iota and Heta, [font=times new
roman]Ι̅H[/font], (not to be confused with Yah Elohim,
[font=times new roman]Ι̅H[/font])). Chew on that for a
while. ;D
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of
Jesus Christ from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ
here is close to blasphemy. I would be very careful!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1897--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 29, 2018, 9:18 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1892#msg1892
date=1540859027]
[shadow=blue,left]Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of
Jesus Christ from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ
here is close to blasphemy. I would be very careful!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray
for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim
and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a
name that no one without him knows.
.
#Post#: 1899--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest8 Date: October 29, 2018, 11:00 pm
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1897#msg1897
date=1540865888]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1892#msg1892
date=1540859027]
[shadow=blue,left]Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of
Jesus Christ from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ
here is close to blasphemy. I would be very careful!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray
for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim
and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a
name that no one without him knows.
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not
even in Revelation!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1911--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 30, 2018, 10:00 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1899#msg1899
date=1540872021]
[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1897#msg1897
date=1540865888]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1892#msg1892
date=1540859027]
[shadow=blue,left]Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of
Jesus Christ from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ
here is close to blasphemy. I would be very careful!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray
for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim
and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a
name that no one without him knows.
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not
even in Revelation!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Hmmm, I see you do not understand what I said or meant.
Aren't you one of those always using the phrase "rightly
divide"?
They both have the same Nomen Sacrum, ([font=times new
roman]Ι̅H[/font]).
See also 1Cor 12:3, (and be sure you "rightly divide"). ;D
(PS: English translations will do you no good, in fact, nothing
but the oldest Uncial texts with the Nomina Sacra will reveal
the "issue" I speak of).
.
#Post#: 1913--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest8 Date: October 30, 2018, 6:31 pm
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1911#msg1911
date=1540911656]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1899#msg1899
date=1540872021]
[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1897#msg1897
date=1540865888]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1892#msg1892
date=1540859027]
[shadow=blue,left]Revelation is Book about the Unveiling of
Jesus Christ from/by God (the father). To replace Jesus Christ
here is close to blasphemy. I would be very careful!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy? Therefore it is entirely profitable for one to pray
for understanding in all things concerning the kingdom of Elohim
and the Word, and especially the Nomina Sacra, for the Son has a
name that no one without him knows.
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Who is worshiping John the Baptist? He is not
even in Revelation!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Hmmm, I see you do not understand what I said or meant.
Aren't you one of those always using the phrase "rightly
divide"?
They both have the same Nomen Sacrum, ([font=times new
roman]Ι̅H[/font]).
See also 1Cor 12:3, (and be sure you "rightly divide"). ;D
(PS: English translations will do you no good, in fact, nothing
but the oldest Uncial texts with the Nomina Sacra will reveal
the "issue" I speak of).
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Oh, I forgot about the authority of the
Talmudic Manuscripts.
As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the
Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy?)
Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the
question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1916--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 30, 2018, 8:57 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1913#msg1913
date=1540942271]
[shadow=blue,left]Oh, I forgot about the authority of the
Talmudic Manuscripts.
As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the
Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy?)
Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the
question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient
GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written.
Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false
accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things
to those who love the Word?
.
#Post#: 1921--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest8 Date: October 30, 2018, 9:59 pm
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1916#msg1916
date=1540951047]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1913#msg1913
date=1540942271]
[shadow=blue,left]Oh, I forgot about the authority of the
Talmudic Manuscripts.
As I stated, correctly.....hum...... Who is worshiping John the
Baptist (And worshiping Yohanan the Immerser as God would not be
blasphemy?)
Your double talk makes no impression here. Simply answer the
question. (Who is worshiping John the Baptist?)
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Talmudic Manuscripts? Lol, the Uncial texts are the most ancient
GREEK texts in which the New Testament writings were written.
Please educate yourself so that you do not make such false
accusations and insinuations: or do you enjoy doing such things
to those who love the Word?
.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Yes, I must make myself understand what you are trying to say
with double talk. "Uncial is a majuscule script " written in
Capital letters. around the 5th,6th and 7th centuries (AD).
I do believe there were earlier copies of the letters and
writings of the chapters within the NT that were in Greek. Since
it was the normal language used among the three languages in the
1st century AD.
Blade[/shadow]
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