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#Post#: 1698--------------------------------------------------
False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 20, 2018, 8:33 am
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[font=georgia]Reva.13.:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had
2 horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon.
This is the false prophet and forerunner to the false Messiah
Antichrist or the beast. He is a very important person and he
will come soon. He will announce the long awaited coming of the
Messiah to the Jews, his ministry will be supernatural and he
will convince not only the Jews but also the whole world.
The Jews will go home, ALL of them. And they will start the
re-building of the temple from whence, he will claim, Messiah is
to rule the world.
This is the basis of the pact between Israel and the Antichrist,
that all religions must be abolished. This will make believing
in Christ our Lord the most odious crime in the whole
world...the church is simply not ready for this.
Of course Antichrist will have his heart set on that seat in the
temple.[/font]
#Post#: 1701--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Scripter Date: October 20, 2018, 8:48 am
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The material of Mt24A (before v29) was about 1st century Judea.
All its features and details support that. Similarly Lk 23:38
says those who were nursing babes at that moment would see all
these things as adults--30 years later or so.
The NT has no events expected in Judea or about Judaism before
the day of world wide judgement when this earth will be changed
into the NHNE.
#Post#: 1706--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 20, 2018, 2:16 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=191.msg1698#msg1698
date=1540042416]
[font=georgia]Reva.13.:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had
2 horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon.
This is the false prophet and forerunner to the false Messiah
Antichrist or the beast. He is a very important person and he
will come soon. He will announce the long awaited coming of the
Messiah to the Jews, his ministry will be supernatural and he
will convince not only the Jews but also the whole world.
The Jews will go home, ALL of them. And they will start the
re-building of the temple from whence, he will claim, Messiah is
to rule the world.
This is the basis of the pact between Israel and the Antichrist,
that all religions must be abolished. This will make believing
in Christ our Lord the most odious crime in the whole
world...the church is simply not ready for this.
Of course Antichrist will have his heart set on that seat in the
temple.[/font]
[/quote]
Hi Billy, :)
Already fulfilled in Ananus ben Seth, the Ab-bet-Din, and
Kaiaphas, the Nasiy-Prince Kohen: two horns like a lamb but
speaking as a dragon, (and by the way those two names in the
Luke 3:2 phrase have a Greek gematria value of 666,
"αννα και
καιαφα" = gematira 666). Moreover
the popular dating of the Apocalypse circa 95AD is utterly
fallacious and truly incomprehensible in light of the wealth of
actual information available in the N/T scripture itself.
For one small example:
Revelation 1:1 ASV
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show
unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to
pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant
John;
Mark 1:12-13 ASV
12 And straightway the Spirit driveth him forth into the
wilderness.
13 And he was in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and
he was with the wild beasts;
[θηριων] and the angels ministered
unto him.
Yes, he was tested by the Satan and was with the
θηριων-beasts, same word employed
throughout the Apocalypse for the beast, beasts, and wild
beasts, (for ex. even in Rev 6:8 ). And if anyone thinks that in
this case it means literal lions, leopards, and she-bears robbed
of their cubs, the same is surely mistaken: for the scripture
speaks from and of itself and the only beasts that count are
those found in the scripture, (especially when it comes to
prophetic utterances and their fulfillments, see Hos 13:7-8, Dan
7:3-8, etc.).
So then, when do you suppose the Master received this Revelation
from God? as it says in Rev 1:1? Was it circa 95AD? Was it more
than sixty years after he had already been crucified,
resurrected, and had sat down at the right hand of the Father?
Should I really be expected to believe that after more than
sixty years, sitting at the right hand of the Father on High,
that the Master could suddenly be given any kind of new
revelation at all? How is that possible? How can there be any
new revelation while already dwelling in that totally pure,
totally holy, unapproachable light which no man has seen or can
see? I cannot in any way imagine it to be possible that he sat
down at the right hand of the Father and then, more than sixty
years after the fact, received something new. Additionally I
have the Gospel of Mark, as quoted herein above, quietly
whispering to me precisely when and where the Master received
the Revelation.
Moreover when you open this book you are opening up the elusive
"Q Source", (which is why the blind scholars cannot find it:
they do not even have the dating close, and they see it all as
still yet future despite what the author himself says about it
being about to shortly come to pass). And when you open up this
book you are reading the words of a Kohen: the greatest of men
having been born of women, he who immerses you in the water of
the Word, (if you keep the sayings of this book). ;D
Edited to remove font color for scripture text. :)
.
#Post#: 1711--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest8 Date: October 20, 2018, 9:52 pm
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[quote author=dakk link=topic=191.msg1706#msg1706
date=1540062985]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=191.msg1698#msg1698
date=1540042416]
[font=georgia]Reva.13.:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had
2 horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon.
This is the false prophet and forerunner to the false Messiah
Antichrist or the beast. He is a very important person and he
will come soon. He will announce the long awaited coming of the
Messiah to the Jews, his ministry will be supernatural and he
will convince not only the Jews but also the whole world.
The Jews will go home, ALL of them. And they will start the
re-building of the temple from whence, he will claim, Messiah is
to rule the world.
This is the basis of the pact between Israel and the Antichrist,
that all religions must be abolished. This will make believing
in Christ our Lord the most odious crime in the whole
world...the church is simply not ready for this.
Of course Antichrist will have his heart set on that seat in the
temple.[/font]
[/quote]
Hi Billy, :)
Already fulfilled in Ananus ben Seth, the Ab-bet-Din, and
Kaiaphas, the Nasiy-Prince Kohen: two horns like a lamb but
speaking as a dragon, (and by the way those two names in the
Luke 3:2 phrase have a Greek gematria value of 666,
"αννα και
καιαφα" = gematira 666). Moreover
the popular dating of the Apocalypse circa 95AD is utterly
fallacious and truly incomprehensible in light of the wealth of
actual information available in the N/T scripture itself.
For one small example:
Revelation 1:1 ASV
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show
unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to
pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant
John;
Mark 1:12-13 ASV
12 And straightway the Spirit driveth him forth into the
wilderness.
13 And he was in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan; and
he was with the wild beasts;
[color=blue][θηριων] and the
angels ministered unto him.[/color]
Yes, he was tested by the Satan and was with the
θηριων-beasts, same word employed
throughout the Apocalypse for the beast, beasts, and wild
beasts, (for ex. even in Rev 6:8 ). And if anyone thinks that in
this case it means literal lions, leopards, and she-bears robbed
of their cubs, the same is surely mistaken: for the scripture
speaks from and of itself and the only beasts that count are
those found in the scripture, (especially when it comes to
prophetic utterances and their fulfillments, see Hos 13:7-8, Dan
7:3-8, etc.).
So then, when do you suppose the Master received this Revelation
from God? as it says in Rev 1:1? Was it circa 95AD? Was it more
than sixty years after he had already been crucified,
resurrected, and had sat down at the right hand of the Father?
Should I really be expected to believe that after more than
sixty years, sitting at the right hand of the Father on High,
that the Master could suddenly be given any kind of new
revelation at all? How is that possible? How can there be any
new revelation while already dwelling in that totally pure,
totally holy, unapproachable light which no man has seen or can
see? I cannot in any way imagine it to be possible that he sat
down at the right hand of the Father and then, more than sixty
years after the fact, received something new. Additionally I
have the Gospel of Mark, as quoted herein above, quietly
whispering to me precisely when and where the Master received
the Revelation.
Moreover when you open this book you are opening up the elusive
"Q Source", (which is why the blind scholars cannot find it:
they do not even have the dating close, and they see it all as
still yet future despite what the author himself says about it
being about to shortly come to pass). And when you open up this
book you are reading the words of a Kohen: the greatest of men
having been born of women, he who immerses you in the water of
the Word, (if you keep the sayings of this book). ;D
.
[/quote]
The covenant between Israel and WHO???????certainly not the
Antichrist.. The Bible tells us that he confirms (enforces) the
covenant.
Please refer to Isaiah 28:14-18....The covenant is between
Israel and "Death and Hell". Recognize the Name....You should,
it is the last of the four horsemen in Rev 6. The fourth Seal.
The false Prophet is agreed up on by many scholars. The Jezebel
of the Roman Catholic Church will ride the beast. Whether it is
the Last Pope (another story) is up for grabs. The RCC will be
the false Prophet.
Blade
#Post#: 1714--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 20, 2018, 11:23 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=191.msg1711#msg1711
date=1540090343]
The covenant between Israel and WHO???????certainly not the
Antichrist.. The Bible tells us that he confirms (enforces) the
covenant.
Please refer to Isaiah 28:14-18....The covenant is between
Israel and "Death and Hell". Recognize the Name....You should,
it is the last of the four horsemen in Rev 6. The fourth Seal.
The false Prophet is agreed up on by many scholars. The Jezebel
of the Roman Catholic Church will ride the beast. Whether it is
the Last Pope (another story) is up for grabs. The RCC will be
the false Prophet.
Blade
[/quote]
The "covenant with death" was disannulled at Golgotha. There
were truly many priests, because they of course were not able to
continue by reason of death: this is the
metathesis-transformation of the Torah spoken of in Hebrews 7,
(and foretold in the prophets, just as in Isaiah), for the
Levitical priesthood was not given by an oath: but the order of
Melki-Tzedek was given the Risen One by an oath, (who lives
evermore to make intercession for the faithful), and cannot be
suspended by death because, of course, he cannot die anymore,
having already suffered death.
As it is written, "You are a priest forever after the order of
Melki-Tzedek", and thus there is indeed a disannulling of the
commandment going before because of the weakness and
unprofitableness thereof: for the priesthood of mortal men was
weak in that they could not continue by reason of death, and
therefore, indeed, it was a "covenant with death". When one
would die, another would be chosen or elected: when that one
would die, another would take his place, again, a covenant with
death: but it is now already disannulled, (the old way of saying
annulled, which is the same).
Moreover the Master confirms all of the covenants at the Last
Supper, both the primary covenant concerning the many, (all
seven covenants, Daniel 9:27, Matthew 26:28 ASV, Mark 14:24
ASV), which is the cup at the beginning of the Seder, and the
new covenant to the chosen ones, (Luke 22:20, "for you"), which
is not the same cup but rather another cup during/after the
Seder, (only found in Luke 22:20).
PS: "Hell" is of course the grave, Sheol, in the Isaiah passage.
.
#Post#: 1715--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 21, 2018, 6:16 am
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So there you are, hi. :)[font=georgia]
"Shortly" or "the time is at hand" is always a problem in
scripture prophecy
But John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day..." he did
not mean it was Sunday, he meant in the spirit he was taken to
witness what would take place "on the day of the Lord" now I do
not reckon the day of the Lord to mean 24 hours.[/font]
#Post#: 1716--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 21, 2018, 6:28 am
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=191.msg1701#msg1701
date=1540043296]
The material of Mt24A (before v29) was about 1st century Judea.
All its features and details support that. Similarly Lk 23:38
says those who were nursing babes at that moment would see all
these things as adults--30 years later or so.
The NT has no events expected in Judea or about Judaism before
the day of world wide judgement when this earth will be changed
into the NHNE.
[/quote]
[font=georgia]Why would you believe Revs 21 concerning the NHNE
but not believe Revs 20. concerning the 1,000 years?
"when you see all these things come to pass...….this generation
will not pass away till all be fulfilled"[/font]
#Post#: 1720--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 9:26 am
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I do believe it, but the information is scant. Do we develop
complete doctrines from 2 references in a totally symbolic book
that have no reference at all anywhere else in the NT? I don't.
The NHNE was already mentioned in Isaiah, as far as solid
background goes.
There is also nothing Judaic about the 1000.
It also ends in failure.
There is also a way to read the '1st resurrection -- 2nd death'
so that the 1st is Christ's and the 2nd death is the
condemnation to punishment at the final judgement, meaning, the
1000 is going on right now.
You must understand that 200 years ago a couple poorly-informed
and probably poorly-thinking gentlemen said 'the Bible doesn't
make sense; here is how to make sense of the Bible.' They did
this inspite of 200 years of Reformation teaching. The answer?
that the Bible had two incoherent, unresolvable plans in it.
NOTHING in the NT hints of this but they were quite sure that
this 'made sense' of it and believed they had finally made sense
of it (no one ever, before them). Darby and Scofield.
The worst thing you can do is follow their circus. Please see
my essay at TF on the legacy of rationality in the Reformation.
HTML https://theologyforums.com/index.php?threads/the-reformation.3228/
Anyone who thinks the Reformation is limited to clearing up an
issue about works and purgatory should be considered as ignorant
as Hilary about the Constitution. It was an amazing, divine,
social and cultural correction.
#Post#: 1742--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: guest37 Date: October 21, 2018, 12:46 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=191.msg1701#msg1701
date=1540043296]
The material of Mt24A (before v29) was about 1st century Judea.
All its features and details support that. Similarly Lk 23:38
says those who were nursing babes at that moment would see all
these things as adults--30 years later or so.
The NT has no events expected in Judea or about Judaism before
the day of world wide judgement when this earth will be changed
into the NHNE.
[/quote]
Mark 13:37
37 And what I say unto you, I say unto all, Watch!
.
#Post#: 1743--------------------------------------------------
Re: False prophet to arise in Israel
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 12:53 pm
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Try: all of you in 1st century Israel with the zealots
dominating.
Not: all of you X000 years later. there would not be the same
conditions for them.
Try to read the Bible with as much historical sense as possible
before wild flings off to time periods that would not be like
theirs. Yes, at the end of the 1000, believers will be
harassed, but that's all believers everywhere. Ie, There won't
be Judaic issues all around the world to watch for, stated in
terms about 1st century Judea.
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