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#Post#: 20594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 17, 2020, 7:48 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=190.msg20560#msg20560
date=1605542249]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=190.msg20540#msg20540
date=1605453174]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=190.msg20406#msg20406
date=1605202094]
> My pov is sure to get me into trouble, but here it goes.
>
> We cannot choose who we are attracted to, but we can choose
what we do with that attraction. For example, if we entertain
lustful thoughts it is as if we commit adultery.
>
> I believe that homosexuality has a beautiful gift...let me
explain...one of the most under talked about fruits of the
Spirit is self-control and if there was ever any doubt, we all
need to learn self-control over our sexual desires. The
homosexual that learns to exercise that self-control is yielding
to the HS and has just received one of the greatest gifts God
gives to His believers. IOW's homosexuality is an opportunity
to learn self-control just like poverty is an opportunity to
learn to be content like no other lesson can teach us.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can agree somewhat. However, I don't expect the number of gays
in control of their lusts and desires to be any more or less
than straight people, which is not a high percentage. Sexual
deviance is one of the most insidious behaviors to engage in.
[/quote]the same can be said about poor people, just because
they don't necessarily learn the lesson does NOT mean God didn't
put it there for them to learn. Look back at Gen. weeds are
there to remind us to be righteous, just because most see weeds
as something to get rid of, a curse to end, doesn't mean their
purpose has changed.
[/quote]
If I am not mistaken, you are saying GOD put the homosexual
tendencies in people????? If this is not what you are saying,
please help.
Blade
[/quote]I am saying that God is giving them a gift if they only
use it...He KNITS us together in our mother's womb, you tell me
which characteristics are left out of that knitting?
#Post#: 20595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: guest24
Date: November 17, 2020, 7:50 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian
life. I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus'
teaching to put forth. While I may or may not agree with
lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA
issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how
they have lived their life. If they live there life in an
upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they
have the same considerations as anyone else?
>
> My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the
group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance. My
question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is:
"When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow
man? I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can
not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"
>
> I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is
between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge
the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.
>
> This is just my humble opinion and postion
>
--- End Quote ---
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we
see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining
in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and
turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a
sin.
#Post#: 20648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: November 17, 2020, 4:52 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=190.msg20576#msg20576 date=1605577960]
> My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian
life. I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus'
teaching to put forth. While I may or may not agree with
lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA
issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how
they have lived their life. If they live there life in an
upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they
have the same considerations as anyone else?
>
> My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the
group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance. My
question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is:
"When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow
man? I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can
not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"
>
> I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is
between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge
the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.
>
> This is just my humble opinion and postion
>
--- End Quote ---
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we
see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining
in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and
turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a
sin.
[/quote]I see
#Post#: 20741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: November 19, 2020, 11:16 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=190.msg20595#msg20595
date=1605621048]
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=190.msg20576#msg20576 date=1605577960]
> My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian
life. I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus'
teaching to put forth. While I may or may not agree with
lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA
issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how
they have lived their life. If they live there life in an
upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they
have the same considerations as anyone else?
>
> My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the
group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance. My
question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is:
"When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow
man? I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can
not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"
>
> I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is
between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge
the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.
>
> This is just my humble opinion and postion
>
--- End Quote ---
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we
see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining
in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and
turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a
sin.
[/quote]I see
[/quote] :o
#Post#: 20763--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 19, 2020, 7:55 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=190.msg20648#msg20648
date=1605653527]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=190.msg20595#msg20595
date=1605621048]
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=190.msg20576#msg20576 date=1605577960]
> My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian
life. I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus'
teaching to put forth. While I may or may not agree with
lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA
issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how
they have lived their life. If they live there life in an
upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they
have the same considerations as anyone else?
>
> My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the
group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance. My
question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is:
"When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow
man? I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can
not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"
>
> I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is
between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge
the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.
>
> This is just my humble opinion and postion
>
--- End Quote ---
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we
see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining
in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and
turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a
sin.
[/quote]I see
[/quote] :o
[/quote]
If they have a propensity for the homosexual lifestyle, yet they
steer away from it and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I
agree with you Mark. However, they cannot have both at the same
time....Jesus does NOT say this.
Blade
#Post#: 20820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: November 20, 2020, 7:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=190.msg20741#msg20741
date=1605806208]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=190.msg20648#msg20648
date=1605653527]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=190.msg20595#msg20595
date=1605621048]
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=190.msg20576#msg20576 date=1605577960]
> My simple answer is that they can live a righteous Christian
life. I chose not to judge them as I understand Jesus'
teaching to put forth. While I may or may not agree with
lifestyle choices or arguments that it is a choice or a DNA
issue or anything else, I am not the final arbitrator of how
they have lived their life. If they live there life in an
upstanding, righteous and Christian life then why shouldn't they
have the same considerations as anyone else?
>
> My in-laws, well the hardcore far-right Christians of the
group say I am going to hell for not taking a hard stance. My
question to them that they have failed to even try to answer is:
"When did God and Jesus give you the right to judge your fellow
man? I do not remember reading it anywhere in the Bible, Can
not seem to find your name anywhere in there?"
>
> I do not condemn anyone for the way you judge those as that is
between you and the Holy Father, but do not try to make me judge
the same if I believe it goes against the teachings.
>
> This is just my humble opinion and postion
>
--- End Quote ---
My only response to this is that scripture tells us that if we
see a brother in sin to try to help restore him without joining
in his sin...iow's there is a difference between judging and
turning our backs on a brother that needs our help to overcome a
sin.
[/quote]I see
[/quote] :o
[/quote]
If they have a propensity for the homosexual lifestyle, yet they
steer away from it and follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I
agree with you Mark. However, they cannot have both at the same
time....Jesus does NOT say this.
Blade
[/quote]Yep
#Post#: 20997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: November 25, 2020, 8:55 pm
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;D
#Post#: 21004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: guest8
Date: November 25, 2020, 9:01 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> ;D
>
--- End Quote ---
The US is under judgement of GOD three times. see Romans
1:24-25,26-27,28-32
Blade
#Post#: 21027--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: guest58
Date: November 26, 2020, 11:31 am
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ImCo:
The term Christian is meaningless sin this case as too broad. It
refers to anyone who claims to believe in Christ as saviour and
who attends a church service in nominal fashion.
On the other hand the sinful elect will be cured of their
addiction to evil by being reborn whether in a church or not and
the reprobate non-elect who can never be saved as condemned
already will never be reborn even if they are Christian
overachievers wth a perfect lifestyle.
Our work, our theologies nor our life style do not save us, only
a true living faith in Christ as Saviour which brought us under
the election promise of salvation.
But living a sinful lifestyle is a pretty good sign one is not
yet reborn.
#Post#: 21130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Can Someone Living a Gay Lifestyle Be a Christian?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: November 27, 2020, 7:29 am
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> ImCo:
> The term Christian is meaningless sin this case as too broad.
It refers to anyone who claims to believe in Christ as saviour
and who attends a church service in nominal fashion.
>
> On the other hand the sinful elect will be cured of their
addiction to evil by being reborn whether in a church or not and
the reprobate non-elect who can never be saved as condemned
already will never be reborn even if they are Christian
overachievers wth a perfect lifestyle.
>
> Our work, our theologies nor our life style do not save us,
only a true living faith in Christ as Saviour which brought us
under the election promise of salvation.
>
> But living a sinful lifestyle is a pretty good sign one is not
yet reborn.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep
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