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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: November 12, 2018, 7:50 am
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=19.msg2140#msg2140
date=1542010368]
The angle of Polaris matching the latitude of the observer
debunks the FE pretty well, just as the consistent apparent size
of the moon does. If the moon was relatively close then it
should appear to be bigger overhead.
[/quote]Apparently you haven't watched any of the videos I
posted, nor have you ever researched flat earth. Polaris proves
flat earth and the size of the moon is the same as the sun,
about 50 miles wide. The sun and moon are equal in size like
Enoch tells us and they are much closer at about 3,000 to 5,000
miles away.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: November 22, 2018, 5:30 pm
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Flight Routes Prove Flat Earth
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: November 22, 2018, 8:09 pm
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Flat Earth Debate : Rob Skiba vs Robert Sungenis At FE2018 In
Denver
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: November 25, 2018, 7:13 am
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The heavens have an end and the heavens are measured and can be
measured by God alone. Deep endless infinite space does not
exist. As God tells here in Psalm 19, the sun's going forth
(moving) is from the end of the heaven . . . The sun moves, the
moon moves, stars move, debris in the firmament move, the earth
does NOT move.
Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament
sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth
knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not
heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words
to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for
the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and
rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 [size=18pt]His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and
his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from
the heat thereof.
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the
testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the
commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the
judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine
gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of
them there is great reward.
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret
faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them
not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall
be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be
acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: January 29, 2019, 8:34 pm
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Bursting The GPS Bubble!!!
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: March 20, 2019, 6:47 am
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1. In 1905, Einstein added time dilation to length contraction
because it was required to fit his theory, not because he
“discovered” it. It has since been applied to everything under
the sun so that the Einstein advocates can claim that
everything works by SRT. So let’s assume that the GPS satellites
are in an inertial frame. The fact is, the light beams traveling
east-to-west are faster by 50ns than the beams traveling
west-to-east. But according to SRT, there should beno difference
of the two beams since both are in an inertial frame. (And if
they are not in an inertial frame, then SRT cannot be applied).
So, in order to hide this discrepancy to save SRT, the GPS
computers are preprogrammed with a Sagnac correction so that it
appears that the east bound beam is going the same speed as the
westbound beam, and voila! SRT is “proved.”
2. EINSTEIN SAID THAT IF THERE WAS ANY ETHER IN SPACE, THEN HIS
THEORY IS NULLIFIED. HE SAID : If Michelson-Morley is wrong,
then Relativity is wrong. (Einstein ; The Life and Times, p.
107.) So, Einstein simply dismissed the fractional ether drift
of MMX as a mere artifact. But the sad fact is, scientifically
speaking, artifacts would not have appeared in all the dozens of
interferometer experiments performed over the next 80 years.
In 1921, Einstein wrote to a friend that if "the Miller
experiments" produced positive results *"the whole relativity
theory collapses like a house of cards."
Miller's experiments produced consistently positive results.
The experiments of Sagnac and Michelson & Gale are rarely
mentioned. Until recently it was quite difficult to find a
reference to them. As Dean Turner pointed out "One may scan
Einstein's writings in vain to find mention of the Sagnac or
Michelson-Gale experiments. The same can be said of general
physics text-books and of the McGraw-Hill Encyclopaedia of
Science and Technology...Such an oversight constitutes a
stinging indictment of professional scientific reporting". It is
indeed quite difficult to get information on these experiments.
They seem to be such an embarrassment to relativity that those
who know about them would rather not say too much.
Quite a number of relativity experts, however, do know about
them, and when pressed many admit that they show the Special
Theory of Relativity (the theory taught to all science students,
and the basis for much of "modern physics") to be inadequate.
3. Not only has General Relativity failed to provide adequate
answers for stellar aberration, rotation, and
action-at-a-distance (that is, without resorting to Mach’s
“distant rotating masses”), Van Flandern
reminds us that…
“…it is not widely appreciated that this [General Relativity] is
a purely mathematical model,
lacking a physical mechanism to initiate motion. For example, if
a “space-time manifold” (like
the rubber sheet) exists near a source of mass, why would a
small particle placed at rest in that
manifold (on the rubber sheet) begin to move toward the
source mass? Indeed, why would
curvature of the manifold even have a sense of “down” unless
some force such as gravity
already existed. Logically, the small particle at rest on a
curved manifold would have no reason
to end its rest unless a force acted on it.”
“…all existing experimental evidence requires the action of
fields to be conveyed much faster
than lightspeed. This situation is ironic because the reason why
the geometric interpretation
gained ascendancy over the field interpretation is that the
implied faster-than-light action of
fields appeared to allow causality violations [e.g., moving
backwards in time, according to the
principles of Special Relativity]….Yet the field interpretation
of General Relativity requires
faster than light propagation. So if Special Relativity were a
correct model of reality, the field
interpretation would violate the causality principle, which is
why it fell from popularity.”
4. It is rather interesting that Relativists, on the one hand,
claim that light is limited to 186,000 mps in Special
Relativity, but admit that Special Relativity does not
incorporate gravity or inertial forces.
On the other hand, they claim gravity is limited to the speed of
light because Special Relativity says nothing can go faster
than light. But if Special Relativity has nothing to do with
gravity, then how can Special Relativity claim that gravity’s
speed
is limited to light speed?
Moreover, in General Relativity, light, and we presume gravity,
is not limited to 186,000 mps, and that is
because General Relativity deals with frames that include
gravity and inertial forces. But if gravity itself
is a non-inertial frame, then how can it be limited to 186,000
mps by Special Relativity which only deals
with inertial frames? This shows that the two theories of
Relativity contradict themselves.
5. Einstein and Infield wrote in The Evolution of Physics (1938)
:
“…the theory of relativity resembles a building consisting of
two separate storeys (sic), the special theory and the general
theory. The special theory, on which the general theory rests,
applies to all physical phenomena with the exception of
gravitation.”
On this Dr. Kelly comments :
“So, if the special theory loses its basis, the general theory
is also without foundation.”
The only original big idea in “Einstein's” so-called theory of
general relativity was curved space. Yet through the 1980s and
1990s, and today with the Hubble space telescope, astronomers
have methodically and painstakingly developed three-dimensional
atlases of the universe. However, they have detected no
curvature of space. Theoretical physicist Paul LaViolette
observes :
“If space were curved by even the slightest amount, evidence of
this would have shown up in astronomical surveys. When the data
are checked, however, no evidence of curvature is found.
Observations of the density of galaxies found at distant
locations of the universe indicate that space is Euclidian out
to the farthest limits of observation.”
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: April 13, 2019, 10:08 am
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Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)
Comment :
What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed
highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy
in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the
middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail
all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and
heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and
cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not
exactly fragments of ideas!
These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based
on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek
astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years.
Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the
standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works
of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and
mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and
defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from
about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.
The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and
astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid
empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers
and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a
significant role in their work.
However the three main players in the introduction of
heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus,
Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only
played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the
religious views of two of them did play a highly significant
role in their scientific thought.
Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained
for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly
religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God
through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a
religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: guest8 Date: April 14, 2019, 8:58 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=19.msg4907#msg4907
date=1555168113]
Tycho Brahe's Arguments (see the comment section)
Comment :
What we have in the history of western science is a fully formed
highly detailed geocentric cosmology and mathematical astronomy
in the form of the Syntaxis Mathematiké from Ptolemaeus from the
middle of the second century CE. This lays out in great detail
all of the arguments for and against both the geocentric and
heliocentric cosmologies known to the Greek astronomers and
cosmologist over a period of about six hundred years. Not
exactly fragments of ideas!
These arguments are logically argued scientific hypotheses based
on solid empirical observation made by Babylonian and Greek
astronomers over a period of approximately nine hundred years.
Thanks to Ptolemaeus we know exactly why geocentrism was the
standard. A standard that was accepted and defended in the works
of Plato, Aristotle and many other Greek philosophers and
mathematical commentators. This standard was also maintained and
defended by many, many Islamic philosophers and astronomers from
about 800 CE into the Early Modern Period.
The geocentric hypotheses of Greek and Islamic cosmology and
astronomy were not based on religious beliefs but on solid
empirical observations. The religious views of the astronomers
and cosmologists who presented those hypotheses did not play a
significant role in their work.
However the three main players in the introduction of
heliocentric cosmology in the Early Modern Period Copernicus,
Kepler and Newton (contrary to popular opinion Galileo only
played a very minor role) were all deeply religious and the
religious views of two of them did play a highly significant
role in their scientific thought.
Copernicus was a cannon of a Catholic cathedral. Kepler trained
for the priesthood in a Lutheran seminary and remained devotedly
religious all of his life believing that he was serving his God
through his astronomical work. Newton was by any standards a
religious fanatic who believed that he had been special chosen
by God to reveal the secrets of His creation.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: June 8, 2019, 5:47 pm
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Science and academia still cannot disprove flat earth. They
can't even prove the earth moves !!!
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