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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: guest2 Date: October 8, 2018, 2:16 am
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       [quote author=AdamHowell link=topic=19.msg1506#msg1506
       date=1538968598]
       I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would
       be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your
       model.  I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the
       sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference
       (or diameter) of the ice wall.
       [/quote]
       As far as the ice wall goes, it is between 50,000 miles to
       70,000 miles in circumference.
       As far as the elevation goes for the sun, moon and stars it is
       impossible to know.
       All those bodies in the sky can do is help us figure our
       positions on earth.
       More Proverbs of Solomon
       …2It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of
       kings to search it out. 3As the heavens are high and the earth
       is deep, so the hearts of kings cannot be searched.
       King James Bible
       The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of
       kings is unsearchable.
       Jeremiah 31:37 (ASV) Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be
       measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
       then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that
       they have done, saith Jehovah.
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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: patrick jane Date: October 11, 2018, 5:20 pm
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       5 TIMES WE SAW WAY TOO FAR! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
       With the increased efforts to find the curve, researchers have
       found that we are able to see much further than we should. I've
       compiled some of the best examples that some talented
       researchers have been able to capture.
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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: Theo102 Date: October 11, 2018, 6:27 pm
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       OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What
       you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive
       body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this
       phenomena is called a gravitational lens.
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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: guest2 Date: October 11, 2018, 8:44 pm
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       [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=19.msg1574#msg1574
       date=1539300475]
       OK, so they've scaled up the Bedford Level experiment. What
       you're looking at is the curvature of spacetime near the massive
       body which is the earth. The astronomical version of this
       phenomena is called a gravitational lens.
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       [/quote]
       Cute.
       But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into
       sight that is not already at least partially visible from the
       observers point of view. ;)
       Therefore it is irrelevant as to the point that one should not
       be able to see those distant mountains.
       #Post#: 1577--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: AdamHowell Date: October 11, 2018, 9:16 pm
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       For every video that supposedly shows a distance that should
       have been obscured by the curvature of the Earth (caused by
       refraction), there is a video that clearly shows the curvature
       of the Earth obscuring something (caused by perspective?).  I
       stopped caring about videos like those when I realized that
       neither side was going to convince anyone with such videos.
       #Post#: 1578--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: Theo102 Date: October 11, 2018, 10:25 pm
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       [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=19.msg1576#msg1576
       date=1539308663]
       But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into
       sight that is not already at least partially visible from the
       observers point of view. ;)[/quote]
       In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go
       around obstructions.
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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: guest2 Date: October 12, 2018, 7:58 pm
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       [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=19.msg1578#msg1578
       date=1539314710]
       [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=19.msg1576#msg1576
       date=1539308663]
       But even gravitational lensing does not bring anything into
       sight that is not already at least partially visible from the
       observers point of view. ;)[/quote]
       In theory it could. Lensing bends light, and bent light can go
       around obstructions.
       [/quote]
       When you find a physical example let me know.
       #Post#: 1593--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: Theo102 Date: October 13, 2018, 3:11 pm
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       [quote]When you find a physical example let me know.[/quote]
       if you can't understand the theory then how could you interpret
       the observation?
       #Post#: 2126--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: patrick jane Date: November 11, 2018, 7:43 am
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       Ball-Earth Forced Indoctrination
       In this video we'll discuss the mandatory indoctrination
       campaign foisted upon all generations of trusting and gullible
       toddlers.  While the heliocentric model can easily be shown to
       disagree with observable reality, the evidence for a flat and
       motionless Earth is mounting -- Yet there appears to be no end
       in sight to the forced indoctrination into ball Earth sophism
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       Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth? 
       By: Theo102 Date: November 12, 2018, 2:12 am
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       The angle of Polaris matching the latitude of the observer
       debunks the FE pretty well, just as the consistent apparent size
       of the moon does. If the moon was relatively close then it
       should appear to be bigger overhead.
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