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Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: August 3, 2018, 9:27 pm
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: September 1, 2018, 11:28 am
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: September 9, 2018, 5:00 pm
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Journey to the Center of the Flat Earth | North Pole Hidden Land
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Many ancient cultures shared similar beliefs in a sacred place
at the north pole, often described as a harmonious paradise. The
Norse would call it Agartha. For Hindus it's referred to as
Paradesha. The Greeks knew it as Hyperborea. The Celtics called
it Avalon. Buddhists call it Shambhala and in the Bible, it's
refered to as the Garden of Eden.
That's just a few of the names. In fact, this place has been
dubbed the land of a thousand names. At the center of this
paradise is the axis mundi (also called the cosmic axis, world
axis, world pillar, center of the world and world tree).
This is said to be the connection between Heaven and Earth. In
Norse mythology we have yggdrasil which is the tree of life.
Known as Mount Meru in Buddhist, Jain and Hindu cosmology. It's
a central world mountain that reaches high into the heavens and
resting above it is the north star. Join me as we take a journey
to the center of the earth.
We will be going over ancient myths, if you want to call them
that, and cosmologies, old maps including the Mercator map of
the arctic that showed hidden land, and movies that depict
worlds beyond the north pole, including the new Stephen King
movie 'The Dark Tower', which depicts a dark tower at the center
of the universe that is very similar to the north pole rupes
nigra aka black rock.
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map of the North Pole. Mercator later reissued this map in an
expanded format for his 1595 atlas. Following a number of
important expeditions to the Arctic in subsequent 10 years,
Mercator's successor Jodocus Hondius reissued the original 1595
map with a number of revolutionary and highly significant
changes.
Our survey of this map must naturally being with the North Pole
itself which Mercator envisions as a large black rock, the Rupes
Nigra, surrounded by a great whirlpool into which four powerful
rapid rivers flow. These rivers divide a massive continent-sized
landmass into four distinct islands or countries.
In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool, into which
there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North.
And the water rushes round and descends into the Earth just as
if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four
degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight
degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies
a bare Rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost
33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic Ston
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: September 13, 2018, 12:33 pm
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: AdamHowell Date: October 7, 2018, 3:35 pm
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Anyone that can see Polaris will note that it's angle in the sky
matches their latitude (within about 2°). This is how mariners
have navigated the oceans for millennia. Not even flat earthers
deny this, because every sailor in the world knows it to be
true. At the equator, we observe Polaris at less than 2°. This
matching of latitude and the angle of Polaris is proof of
curvature. Here's why:
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Now, let's do the math for a flat Earth model. Polaris is
directly over the north pole (it is actually about 0.75°
off-center, but close enough for our calculations). This forms a
90° angle for everyone on this flat Earth model. If you know
your distance to the north pole, and measure the angle of
Polaris in the sky, you can calculate the altitude of Polaris
over the north pole. This is simple trigonometry using
angle-side-angle calculations. Every calculation should result
in the same elevation. Here are 4 calculations to determine the
ALTITUDE of Polaris for any FE model:
[list type=decimal]
[li]
We know that someone at 10° north latitude will see Polaris at
10° in the sky. 10° north latitude is about 5,520 miles from the
north pole. That means Polaris is 973.3 miles above the north
pole.
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[/li][li]
We know that someone at 30° north latitude will see Polaris at
30° in the sky. 30° north latitude is about 4,100 miles from the
north pole. That means Polaris is 2,367 miles above the north
pole.
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[/li][li]
We know that someone at 45° north latitude will see Polaris at
45° in the sky. 45° north latitude is about 3,100 miles from the
north pole. That means Polaris is 3,100 miles above the north
pole.
(
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[/li][li]
We know that someone at 70° north latitude will see Polaris at
70° in the sky. 70° north latitude is about 1,380 miles from the
north pole. That means Polaris is 3,791.5 miles above the north
pole.
(
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[/li][/list]
So, not one of those get calculations yield the same altitude.
These 4 calculations disprove all flat Earth models. You may
claim that my distances are wrong. If so, please reply with
correct distances, and I will crunch the numbers again. But
just to save time, the distances actually do not matter. They
produce different altitudes for Polaris, but they still do not
match. And every location should be able to calculate and get
the same answer.
This should be enough proof that the Earth is not flat. But I
will try one more time with side-angle-side to find the ANGLE at
which Polaris should appear to a viewer. Many flat Earth models
claim that the stars are 3,100 miles above the Earth. Using
3,100 for the opposite side, 90° for the angle, and the viewer's
distance from the north pole as the adjacent side, we get:
[list type=decimal]
[li]
Someone at 10° north latitude is 5,520 miles from the north
pole. If Polaris is 3,100 miles above the Earth, then the viewer
should see Polaris at 29.318° above the horizon. This is 19.3°
greater than what we observe in reality.
(
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[/li][li]
Someone at 30° north latitude is 4,100 miles from the north
pole. If Polaris is 3,100 miles above the Earth, then the viewer
should see Polaris at 37.093° above the horizon. This is 7°
greater than what we observe in reality.
(
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[/li][li]
Someone at 45° north latitude is 3,100 miles from the north
pole. If Polaris is 3,100 miles above the Earth, then the viewer
should see Polaris at 45.0° above the horizon. Notice that this
combination of distance and angles works! That is because on a
plane, there will always be 2 locations where the measurements
work out (one is always at the north pole).
(
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[/li][li]
Someone at 70° north latitude is 1,380 miles from the north
pole. If Polaris is 3,100 miles above the Earth, then the viewer
should see Polaris at 66.003° above the horizon. This is 4°
lesser than what we observe in reality.
(
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[/li]
[/list]
The problem with these 4 examples is that only one of them has
Polaris at the angle we observe it at. So these 4 calculations
disprove all flat Earth models.
If I have made an error in my calculations, please point them
out. I will be happy to recalculate.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: October 7, 2018, 5:11 pm
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Hello Adam and first, thank you very much for joining. I didn't
expect to be confounded by a math genius but I suppose I asked
for it. Not only can I not disprove your calculations, I also
wouldn't be able to find any errors. I will say that I do not
believe maths can prove a globe and in fact I know they don't.
If they did, the debate would have never started and would
certainly be over by now.
If you can wait a few days and possibly more but I will try
sooner than later, I'd like to invite my partner to join the
forum and take a look at your post. He may or may not reply or
even join but he is a very good friend and I think he will. I
apologize for not being up to the calculations as it is is my
weak area.
I believe every word of the Bible and God's description of earth
and I can and will thoroughly debate the scriptures on this
topic in my Biblical Flat Earth thread. Again, thank you and can
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: AdamHowell Date: October 7, 2018, 9:31 pm
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Thank you for the welcome. I was glad to join.
Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.
It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat. I was trying
to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat
Earth?".
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I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are
mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and
believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a
preconceived theology (or to actively change it). So any verses
related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context
and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word
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So I am less inclined to
debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.
My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party
swaying. They just felt like a waste of time.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: patrick jane Date: October 7, 2018, 9:49 pm
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date=1538965866]
Thank you for the welcome. I was glad to join.
Yeah, my post definitely doesn't prove the Earth to be a globe.
It is only meant to show that it cannot be flat. I was trying
to stay within the title of the post: "Can You Debunk Flat
Earth?".
I found this site from this pin:
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in the "More like this" section under this pin:
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I believe in the Bible, but feel that many verses are
mistranslated, believe a few were accidentally altered, and
believe that some were intentionally altered to fit a
preconceived theology (or to actively change it). So any verses
related to the shape of the Earth will need to include context
and likely the Strong number of the original Hebrew word
HTML https://biblehub.com/strongs.htm.
So I am less inclined to
debate scripture, because so many are open to interpretation.
My previous experiences have all resulted in neither party
swaying. They just felt like a waste of time.
[/quote]You're right and I'm late to the game but I'm hoping
more people keep questioning the science and the globe math and
discovering flat earth. Apparently it was really hot back in
2014-15. It is a passion of mine because I am a literalist
unless it isn't. I think I have a good discernment and I read in
the spirit.
For instance, the entire globe/solar system model with endless
space, evolution and alien life etc but I digress . . . For now
just the Copernican model of the cosmos. It cannot be explained
when one reads and believes Joshua 10. The sun and moon stop for
about a whole day. Can't happen unless the earth is motionless
like the Bible says over 100 times (maybe 200). Unless the
entire universe stopped it was the earth that stands still.
For me, 10.5 months in to research and debate it's over.
Curvature has been disproved by P900 and P1000 cameras, lasers
and hundreds of tests and experiments. The globe only exists in
the mind. Pictures, images and drawings. All fake. Only a few
people alive have allegedly seen earth from outer space. Too
many holes in gravity and three dozen too many theories
regarding cosmology. They know nothing as far as I'm concerned.
I believe this is exactly the great deception satan would use to
lead billions away from our Creator. It has been a spiritual
battle since the garden and that's why I do this. Flat earth
leads people to Christ and I have video testimonies to post some
time. Personally, I love talking about this topic as to me it's
the most important thing we could be thinking about behind God
and family. I'm not married and no kids and retired so I have
the time.
I believe with all my heart and soul after MUCH research into
many aspects of the flat earth topic that we have been lied to
for 500 years and it began in my estimation with the Jesuits and
Freemasons.
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Re: Can You Debunk Flat Earth?
By: AdamHowell Date: October 7, 2018, 10:16 pm
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I think a valuable addition to this Flat Earth subsection would
be a sticky post listing all the important dimensions of your
model. I would be interested in knowing the elevation of the
sun, moon, and stars in your model, as well as the circumference
(or diameter) of the ice wall.
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