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Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
By: bernardpyron Date: October 17, 2018, 3:35 pm
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Dispensationalism and a Remnant In the Church Age?
See:
HTML http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html
"The remnant is the Jewish wing of the Church. The church is an
airplane that only has two wings, a Jewish wing and a Gentile
wing. If one wing is lost or ignored, the church crashes."
I thought that the founders of dispensationalism said that Old
Covenant Israel and the Church are different groups of God's
people who remain separate. Dispensationalism is a confusing
theology.
See:
HTML http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html
"Remnant: The concept of remnant can be Biblically defined as
that continuous portion, be it large or small, of the community
of ethnic Israel which has been supernaturally preserved and
redeemed through various divine judgments throughout various
dispensations. This preservation is on account of God’s
sovereign choice, or election, and not by virtue of human
effort."
The above tries to define the remnant as being only a Jewish
group and there is therefore no remnant of Gentiles or of the
Church, though sometimes dispensationalism says that saved Jews
and Saved Gentiles make up a unity of God's people.
But Revelation 12: 17 says "And the dragon was wroth with the
woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which
keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ."
Is not Revelation 12: 17 a prophecy, not a statement on the
history of Old Covenant Israel? And is not this remnant a
remnant during the Church age, and the existence of a remnant
implies a falling away from sound doctrine - see I Timothy 1:
10, especially II Timothy 4: 3? "For the time will come when
they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
Dispensationalism itself could not be a falling away from sound
doctrine, could it, not in the eyes of the dispensationalists?
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Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
By: guest8 Date: October 19, 2018, 9:23 am
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=186.msg1645#msg1645
date=1539808547]
Dispensationalism and a Remnant In the Church Age?
See:
HTML http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html
"The remnant is the Jewish wing of the Church. The church is an
airplane that only has two wings, a Jewish wing and a Gentile
wing. If one wing is lost or ignored, the church crashes."
I thought that the founders of dispensationalism said that Old
Covenant Israel and the Church are different groups of God's
people who remain separate. Dispensationalism is a confusing
theology.
See:
HTML http://www.according2prophecy.org/52colleague.html
"Remnant: The concept of remnant can be Biblically defined as
that continuous portion, be it large or small, of the community
of ethnic Israel which has been supernaturally preserved and
redeemed through various divine judgments throughout various
dispensations. This preservation is on account of God’s
sovereign choice, or election, and not by virtue of human
effort."
The above tries to define the remnant as being only a Jewish
group and there is therefore no remnant of Gentiles or of the
Church, though sometimes dispensationalism says that saved Jews
and Saved Gentiles make up a unity of God's people.
But Revelation 12: 17 says "And the dragon was wroth with the
woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which
keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ."
Is not Revelation 12: 17 a prophecy, not a statement on the
history of Old Covenant Israel? And is not this remnant a
remnant during the Church age, and the existence of a remnant
implies a falling away from sound doctrine - see I Timothy 1:
10, especially II Timothy 4: 3? "For the time will come when
they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"
Dispensationalism itself could not be a falling away from sound
doctrine, could it, not in the eyes of the dispensationalists?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] The real Definition of dispensation in the
Bible is: A period of time where GOD "Acts and Reacts" to the
people of the World (Adam and Eve were not Jewish, neither was
Noah, His wife and Sons) differentlythan He does in other
periods of time.
Some place Creation and the time period up to Noah's Flood in
one dispensation. Some split it up into two dispensations.
There are Hyper-Dispensationalists who want to highlight every
thing they deem important and tell us GOD has treated these
people differently.
There are many as in the early dispensationalists that try to
preach the gospel or control those who would believe.
I would prefer to think that the dispensations in the Bible are
there by divine design for a specific reason. Below are what I
believe could sum up the dispensations of the Bible.
1. Creation/ Fall (Lost of Innocence)
2. "LAW". Without the LAW, how would one determine if they had
sinned. Most people until this time had no idea what a sin was.
The "LAW" defined it. While the "LAW" was given to Israel, it
was also available for the Gentiles. Yes, there were several
Gentiles that became believers in GOD during this time.
3. The "Kingdom". The "Law" is halted along with All prophets
(even Jesus Christ, the son of man). Jesus Christ is announced
to the world as the Messiah. During this time, the Kingdom of
Heaven (the future Millennium) is preached to people of the
Jewish Faith. During this time, Gentiles that are not of the
Jewish Faith are left out. Had the Jewish Leaders accepted
Jesus Christ as their Messiah, the Kingdom of Heaven (future
Millennium) would have existed at that time. It is unknown how
the Gentiles would have fit into this scenario thus I will not
speculate.
4. The "Period of Grace". This dispensational period started
during the time period of "Acts chapter 2" and was/IS being
played out on the world's stage. With the death, burial and
resurrection of Jesus Christ in the former dispensation, a
specific period of "GRACE" unlike anything known in other
dispensations begins. The "Promise" that if ONE believes in the
Gospel of Jesus Christ and Calls on HIS Name prior to their
Death, everlasting life can be achieved. One's "WORKS" is not a
factor to receiving the Grace of GOD in this dispensation as
compared to others. The "Indwelling" of the Holy Spirit is
another feature of the "Period of Grace" not offered to everyone
in previous or future dispensations.
5. The Period of Judgement (future): Following the departure of
the Period of Grace (future), this dispensation will bring
Judgements upon the whole world. It will end with the 2nd Advent
of Jesus Christ. There is more known about this period of than
any other dispensation including the 2nd advent, over the last
6000 years.
6. The Millennium: A period of 1000 years where Jesus Christ
will rule the earth with a rod of Iron. The REMNANT of Israel,
those who fled Jerusalem when the AoD happened back during the
period of the Judgement Dispensation. They will rule Israel and
all nations along the side of Jesus Christ. This is a period of
time when the surviving gentile nations that helped and
supported Israel (according to God's WORD to Abraham) will
live. Gentiles and their Children will have 100 years to decide
if they believe in Jesus Christ or NOT! During this time a NEW
Gospel (the everlasting gospel, REV 14:6) as preached in the
previous dispensation will be in effect during this 1000 years.
7. New Earth and New Jerusalem. This is the last period of
dispensation in which Jesus judges all those throughout the
entire 7000 years who refuse to accept God. These people will be
judged according to their works. and if found guilty will be
placed in a "Lake of Fire" for an Eternity. A New Earth without
Seas will be created, the New Jerusalem will come down to earth
where God will walk with the people as He did in the Beginning
with Adam and Eve. The Tree of Life will sit in the middle of
New Jerusalem for all to partake in.
This pretty well sums up the Bible from the Beginning to the End
with Seven dispensation over 7 thousand years. A Number(7)
throughout the Bible denoting "completion"
Blade
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Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
By: bernardpyron Date: October 19, 2018, 10:48 am
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"The Millennium: A period of 1000 years where Jesus Christ will
rule the earth with a rod of Iron. The REMNANT of Israel, those
who fled Jerusalem when the AoD happened back during the period
of the Judgement Dispensation. They will rule Israel and all
nations along the side of Jesus Christ. This is a period of time
when the surviving gentile nations that helped and supported
Israel (according to God's WORD to Abraham) will live."
What is meant by the remnant of Israel is very important in the
doctrine above.
Is the remnant of Israel above meant that remnant in Romans 11:
1-5, "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For
I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of
Benjamin.
2.
not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh
intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3.
altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4.
to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the
image of Baal.
5.
according to the election of grace."
If the remnant of Israel is this remnant above which attained to
the election of grace and began the New Covenant, then where in
the New Testament is this shown?
Also look at this: "This is a period of time when the surviving
gentile nations that helped and supported Israel (according to
God's WORD to Abraham) will live. "
Israel above appears to be the Nation of Israel begun in 1948
over in the Mid East, which is very different from the remnant
of Israel in Romans 11: 1-5 because this remnant of Israel is
elected to salvation and Talmudic Judaism is not, and tends
also to be influenced by the religion of the Pharisees.
The peculiar theology of dispensationalism shows itself in the
inclusion of Talmudic Judaism - "Israel after the flesh" -
operating with the remnant of Israel which is a spiritual group.
"Israel after the flesh" is also the multitude of Old Covenant
Israel, not the remnant of Israel (Romans 11: 1-5).
Dispensationalism focuses upon the multitude of Israel.
And dispensationalism uses a strictly literal system of
interpretation of the final chapters of the Book of Revelation -
Chapters 19, 20, and 21. The Book of Revelation tends to make
use of metaphor in very many chapters after Revelation Chapter
Three.
#Post#: 16735--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
By: patrick jane Date: August 28, 2020, 3:11 pm
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Wrong
#Post#: 19757--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dispensationalism And A Remnent In the Church Age
By: patrick jane Date: October 29, 2020, 1:33 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=186.msg16735#msg16735
date=1598645476]
Wrong
[/quote]yep
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