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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: Theo102 Date: October 17, 2018, 3:37 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=183.msg1635#msg1635
date=1539733201]
[color=yellow]So, you're a plagiarist.[/color]
[/quote]
No, I'm documenting it.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest33 Date: October 17, 2018, 10:34 pm
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Dear Lori B,
A very long post! I read it all because I am very used to them.
I think that your post was insightful and extraordinary in
explaining why God causes people to endure affliction from
Satan. You did quite a lot of painstaking work on your post and
I was pleased with it. It is No Picnic, but needs to be done,
to refine us like silver and make us ready to reside in Heaven.
It was additionally an informative and intuitive dive into what
we, as God's Children, have to face/undergo at times. Thanks
for taking the hard work to put it together!!
MichaelC
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: patrick jane Date: October 18, 2018, 2:40 am
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=183.msg1632#msg1632
date=1539719181]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=183.msg1631#msg1631
date=1539718673]
I'm confused by the accusation...If God spoke through both, why
wouldn't we see the same or similar message? Why would that
suggest plagiarism?
[/quote]
Sometimes a lying spirit has a role to play, eg 1 Kings 22:22.
Plagiarism is when someone else's ideas are used without
attribution, eg when the ideas of righteousness as a breastplate
and the helmet of salvation from Isaiah 59:17 were used by Paul
in Ephesians 6:14,17
[/quote]Paul was Saul, a devout Jew. The scriptures were well
known by many at the time, they knew the scriptures that Paul
was referring to and therefore not plagiarism per se.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest24 Date: October 18, 2018, 8:02 am
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The Accuser…
In Job we see that Satan is roaming the earth. (Job 1:7) He
also comes before the Lord. In Zechariah 3:1 we see Satan
coming once again before the Lord of lords and King of kings
this time to accuse Joshua before the Lord. Being an accuser of
the brethren seems to be one of his specialties. (Revelations
12:10; Job 2:1-6) Notice that Joshua did not rebuke Satan for
his accusations but rather God Himself rebuked Satan. (Zechariah
3:2) In Jude 1:9 even the archangel let God rebuke Satan and
did not do it himself. When we are being accused by Satan we
have an advocate to speak on our behalf. Jesus Christ is our
advocate. (I John 2:1-2; Job 16:19; Romans 8:34; Romans 8:1; I
Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 7:25; Hebrews 9:24; Hebrews 4:14; Hebrews
9:12-15; Hebrews 7:27; Hebrews 8:6; I Timothy 2:5) God in His
wisdom allowed for another advocate as well, that of the Holy
Spirit. (John 14:16; John 15:26; John 16:7; Romans 8:26-27)
Currently the Christ is in heaven advocating before the Father
on our behalf while the Holy Spirit is dwelling within us and
even speaks the things in prayer that we ourselves lack words
for. The importance of this is that we do not reject our
advocate, (Hebrews 12:24) the three in one. (Matthew 28:19;
Luke 3:22; John 14:26; John 15:26; Romans 8:9; II Corinthians
13:14; Ephesians 1:17; Ephesians 2:18)
Joshua didn’t need to do anything but be obedient and willing
to allow God to move within him. In fact God did work within
Joshua, he took off the sin nature and put on a cleansed one.
Like Joshua we need cleansed by the Christ. Psalms 51:2; I John
1:9; Psalms 51:7; Psalms 51:10; Ezekiel 36:25; Titus 2:14;
Hebrews 1:3; I Peter 1:22-23; II Peter 1:9; Hebrews 9:14; I John
1:7; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 10:22; I Corinthians 6:11; Ephesians
5:26-27) Zechariah 3:7 shows Joshua the importance of obedience
to God for the one that Christ is advocating on behalf.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: patrick jane Date: October 18, 2018, 11:23 am
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This is a great study and a great read, Lori. Praise God.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest24 Date: October 18, 2018, 1:49 pm
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thanks, it's the only way I know to do a study in scripture, as
I said, it's long.....tomorrow is the tempter which I found very
interesting.
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest33 Date: October 18, 2018, 8:55 pm
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Dear Patrick,
I mistakenly wrote my response to Lori Bolinger's post and
addressed it to Theo102. Just saying. Will be more careful
next time. I'm sorry Lori and Theo!
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest24 Date: October 19, 2018, 8:55 am
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No worries on this end...
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: guest24 Date: October 19, 2018, 8:56 am
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The Tempter…
No study of the schemes of Satan would be complete without a
look at the temptations of Christ in the wilderness. Imagine
the boldness of Satan to come and tempt the Christ, God Himself
clothed in flesh. I think this tells us something about the
frailty of the flesh when it comes to righteousness. (Matthew
26:41; Mark 14:38; Mark 14:32-42; I Corinthians 1:25; II
Corinthians 13:4; II Corinthians 12:10; II Corinthians 13:9;
Philippians 2:6-8) Man is unable to withstand the schemes of
Satan without the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Before we get into the actual temptations notice that this is
the second time in this study that we see that God Himself gave
Satan permission. In this case, God led Jesus to the wilderness
so that He could be tempted. This temptation was important to
His ministry to us in that it shows us both His God nature and
the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit that every believer is
given at the point of belief unto salvation. God does many
things we can’t understand. The first things we have to
understand is that God is sovereign even over where we go and
what we endure. (Psalms 115:3; Proverbs 16:9; Psalms 37:23;
Proverbs 19:21; Proverbs 20:24; Jeremiah 10:23; Psalms 18:19;
Psalms 25:12; Psalms 37:31; Psalms 40:2; Psalms 33:10) The
difficult part is trusting God (Proverbs 3:5-6) The things that
God leads us to or gives permission to happen to us are not
intended to bring you harm but rather to bring about good.
(Genesis 45:5-7; Genesis 50:19-20; Romans 8:28; Romans 11:29; II
Corinthians 4:15) What God allows into your life He also gives
you the power to overcome.
The first challenge Satan put before Christ was that that dealt
with his hunger. He had fasted for forty days and nights.
Jesus the Christ was hungry like few of us will ever truly know
and understand. He was starving. So Satan, knowing the
weakness of the flesh told Jesus that all He had to do to end
the hunger was to turn the stones into bread and eat. He issued
the challenge through claiming a form of doubt of who Christ is.
Notice what he says, “IF you are the Son of God then…” He
wanted Christ to prove who He is, to defend His identity. The
counter to doubts is faith not miracles. (Matthew 14:31; Matthew
21:21; Mark 11:23) When we doubt whether it is God’s existence
or our salvation or any number of other things the solution is
not some miracle that we are tempted to claim will change our
doubt to trust but rather it is to have faith that God is who He
claims and that He is all that we need. Jesus Himself answered
Satan’s temptation to defend who He is by quoting scripture,
“man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God.” First Christ answered the
temptation of Satan by quoting scripture. We cannot use
scripture against the schemes of Satan unless we first know
scripture intimately. This knowing of scripture in a way that
allows us to own it and use it comes in three main forms. We
need to study it so that we understand it and it cannot be
twisted into things it does not say. Second we need to meditate
on it. This meditation is to always be thinking about it.
Third we need to memorize the word of God, hide it in our hearts
so that when temptations come we have ammunition to use. (II
Timothy 2:16-17; Ezra 7:10; Psalms 119: 11-12; Psalms 119:15-16;
Psalms 119:47-48; Psalms 119:96-98; Psalms 37:31; Romans 15:4;
Hebrews 4:12; Joshua 1:8; Ephesians 6:17; Proverbs 4:10-13; Acts
17:11)
Christ then tells Satan that man does not live by bread alone
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. He
understood that real life is found in the spirit not in the
flesh. His perspective was one of the eternal nature of man not
the temporal. Kind of like the idea that if you give a man a
fish he will eat for a day but if you teach him to fish he will
eat for a lifetime. Likewise Christ understood that if He
turned the stones into bread He could eat for the moment but if
He set His focus on God He could eat for eternity. Scripture
talks a lot about food, we are to feed and clothe others, we are
not to worry about where our next meal is coming from, but also,
we are blessed when we imitate Christ and focus on the eternal
not the temporal. Matthew 25:35-40; Deuteronomy 8:3; Psalms
34:10; Matthew 15; Luke 1:53; Luke 6:21-25; John 6:35; John
6:48; John 6:50-53; Matthew 5:6)
The second temptation Satan put before Christ was one that used
Scripture. He told Jesus that if He was truly God’s Son than He
should prove it by throwing Himself down for Scripture says that
the angels would keep Him safe. This again makes knowing
scripture, meditating on it and memorizing it important but
equally important is the need to know what it is saying in both
context and intent. When we add to scripture what is not there
or take from it what is there we are partaking in one of the
schemes Satan uses to mislead people into death. (Revelations
22:18-19; Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:5-6; Deuteronomy 12:32;
Mark 7:13) Twisting God’s words is not a new scheme of Satan
though we might like to think it is a modern day problem. He
did the same thing all the way back in Genesis 3:1-4 when he
tempted Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil. So Jesus, being wise in scripture and their
meaning reminded Satan that it is not for us to test or some
translations say tempt God. God can be trusted and what He says
He will do. The goal is not to test God to see if He is true
but to trust God that He is in fact faithful to all that He says
He is. Notice in the following verses that others have tried to
test God by questioning the ease of the yoke He asks us to bear,
His presence in our lives, by asking for desires over needs,
asking Him to prove who He is, and disobedience. (Exodus 17:2;
Deuteronomy 6:16; Luke 4:12; Acts 15:10; Exodus 17:7; Psalms
78:18; I Corinthians 10:9; Psalms 78:41; Psalms 78:56; Psalms
95:9; Psalms 106:14) Often we go through life and expect
everything to be butterflies and roses when in fact, that
attitude is a test of God’s goodness and is sinful. We are to
be watchful and on guard and aware that we will be tempted and
challenged and danger will come our way.
Finally Satan tempted Christ with power. He did so by using his
own desire to be worshiped. Satan offered Jesus the world if
only He would denounce God and worship Satan. Satan often uses
our desire for power and authority as a means of drawing us to
worship something or someone over the Living God. (Deuteronomy
6:13; Luke 4:8; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13-14; Exodus 20:5;
Deuteronomy 4:24) It isn’t just that we are not to test God but
we are to worship only God. (Deuteronomy 6:13; Luke 4:8; Exodus
34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13-14; Exodus 20:5; Deuteronomy 4:24) Even
Ecclesiastes 12:13 tells us that the whole thing boils down to
worship of God alone for this is good. As Christ finished being
tempted by the Devil and the Devil could not cause Him to fall,
Satan left Him and the angels came to Him and ministered to Him.
(Matthew 4:11) Even when we are unaware of their presence,
angels are ministering to us. (Hebrews 1:14; Psalms 91:11;
Daniel 6:22; Psalms 34:7)
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Re: The schemes of Satan
By: Theo102 Date: October 19, 2018, 2:38 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=183.msg1650#msg1650 Paul
was Saul, a devout Jew. [/quote]
Paul was a Pharisee:
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and
the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and]
brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope
and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Acts 23:6
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you
concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the
Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the
leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the
Sadducees.
Matthew 16:11-12
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[quote]The scriptures were well known by many at the time, they
knew the scriptures that Paul was referring to and therefore not
plagiarism per se.
[/quote]
By keeping some of of the ideas and changing others (eg truth as
defense to faith as defense), Paul's target audience must have
been people who didn't have a detailed knowledge of Isaiah & the
Psalms.
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