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#Post#: 4497--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 19, 2019, 12:54 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4477#msg4477
date=1552870316]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4437#msg4437
date=1552532893]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4428#msg4428
date=1552509441]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4364#msg4364
date=1552110073]
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
[/quote]I really like your posts and I learn from you so that
you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND
the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
[/quote]
Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the
Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could
make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God,
and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of
the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the
world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.
NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to
the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they
explain about them do not exist.
Have you seen this, just today:
FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies
HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp
Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which
is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"?
Lol
Arius/evidence
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius
or Evidence[/quote]
My dear friend Blade, I just want you to know that I am not
trying to turn you, or anyone to some religion I belong to, or
some idea I cam up with. God forbid, because I have made many
mistakes in my life, the last thing I would want is people
following me on some idea I threw together, and like many cult
leaders try hard to convince others to follow suit. No and no.
What God has revealed to me has been tested by Scholars, many
Ministers with Doctorates in Theology, Christian Debater who has
over a thousand debate-videos with Muslims, JW's to Moody, and
every Christian/atheist/Mormon/Buddhist/Muslim/Catholic Scholar
I have debated with over the past 25 years, and the more
educated ones in Theology have all ended up saying: "You know
what Arius, I honestly can't say what you believe is not
Scriptural because you back up everything with the Bible, and I
even admit it is within context, .. but I just cannot accept
what you are saying."
One TV Debater who has over a thousand videos on YouTube said
regarding our 4 hour debate on the Trinity: "I know what you are
saying, and I'm not denying that it's all Scriptural, all I can
tell you is: Even if God Himself came down and told me this, I
would reject it!"
The Lord is my witness this is what he said. And when he told me
this, he looked up at the ceiling, then broke a little laughter
and said: "I know how that sounds, but that's all I can tell
you. And sorry, but I don't want to do an official video debate
with you, matter of fact, this will be our last meeting."
Here is the guy; Larry Wessels
HTML https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV
Yep, Christian Answers TV and this is the answer he gave me.
Look if this guy refused anyone, even cult members, Muslims
outside the college campuses etc. He would track them down and
never seen him back away from even a violent debate, let alone
welcomed as a guest in my own home.
Anyways, I used to love his TV Program, watched him every time
he was on. Here is an example:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4s2vG65dU
[quote="Blade"]are you married and have kids>?// Lets take NED
for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I
am grandfather and so on.
Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in
essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He
reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids.
He reacts differently to his wife than he reacts to his parents
as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father,
it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the
commitment.[/quote]
Yes, that is a very good example Blade, except if I heard NED
praying to himself as Father-NED, I would start worrying about
his mental state. I would say that somewhere he got his wires
crossed.
It would be different if he went to his dad and asked him for
something, but to see him refer to himself as his own father,
well you know what I mean?
[quote="Blade"]The Trinity comes from the three characters in
essence, God (Our Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ)
and is(the Holy Spirit). For these three essences react among
themselves, the people of earth differently than each other yet
they are the same LORD GOD.[/quote]
And look, I'm sure Larry Wessels would even agree with you, as
would about a million Christian Ministers, Bible Scholars etc.
but would not debate this with me for too long (most was Larry
Wessels at my house in Texas about 4-5 hours long)
I have never left a debate, but every one of them did want to
leave, and as friendly as our meeting was, they shown no
interest to have it repeated, .. ESPECIALLY Recorded, as Larry
moved the video camera pointing to the wall so only the sound
could be heard. He said he only does Professional video
shooting.
I will hold on to what is written, it is all I have, and if I
give that up, then my 62 years of persecutions would be all for
nothing, and I would really have nothing left than what Jobs
wife suggested him:
Job 2:9 (NKJV)
9 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your
integrity? Curse God and die!”
[quote="Blade"]thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy
Spirit and vice versa.
Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is
not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended
to heaven after his resurrection.
Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my
called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." This is
Jesus speaking for in the next verse.
Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto
them, they stand up together." Then in Isa 48:16
Isa 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not
spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was,
there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.[/quote]
Look, this is NOT some theology that I was taught:
Theology is the critical study of the nature of the divine. It
is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities
and seminaries - Wikipedia
or my Religious belief, or some doctrine I made up, this is how
I read it in the Bible. I'm simple, dumb, under-schooled, but so
far I have stuck to the Word of God, and have not found even one
person who could prove I am wrong, .. or that my understanding
is incorrect.
I have shown you many times who the Bible says who God is, and
who is His son Word, who became flesh by Gods Spirit Angel the
Holy Spirit who took the son Word and deconstructed him into DNA
information which he put into the egg of a virgin, where she got
pregnant, gave birth to a boy she was told to name Jesus. I mean
even we can do this now, so since we are created in Gods image,
I figure it is how God done it too, right?
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was
made that was made.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and
the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did
not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave
the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His
name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:1-14)
[quote="Blade"]Having established who this is, the in verse 12,
we see the same words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I
am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:".
This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as
the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking
about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus
rejecting their messiah.
As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ[/quote]
Look, just accept it like it says: God was manifested in the
flesh, IN Jesus Christ, not AS Jesus Christ, who was with God in
the beginning as His son Word, who became flesh, .. then named
Jesus. Never Father God, just the son of God Word.
[quote="Blade"]There are a lot of verses that tell us not only
that Jesus is GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.
Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity
if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the
Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a
false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel
to others.
Blade[/quote]
Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not
Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and
why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about
your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where
everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall
on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line
here.
This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and
stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the
Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't
steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels
did!
Arius
#Post#: 4510--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 19, 2019, 8:12 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg4479#msg4479
date=1552886030]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4477#msg4477
date=1552870316]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4437#msg4437
date=1552532893]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4428#msg4428
date=1552509441]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4364#msg4364
date=1552110073]
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
[/quote]I really like your posts and I learn from you so that
you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND
the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
[/quote]
Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the
Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could
make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God,
and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of
the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the
world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.
NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to
the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they
explain about them do not exist.
Have you seen this, just today:
FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies
HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp
Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which
is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"?
Lol
Arius/evidence
[/quote]
The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius
or Evidence[/quote]
My dear friend Blade, I just want you to know that I am not
trying to turn you, or anyone to some religion I belong to, or
some idea I cam up with. God forbid, because I have made many
mistakes in my life, the last thing I would want is people
following me on some idea I threw together, and like many cult
leaders try hard to convince others to follow suit. No and no.
What God has revealed to me has been tested by Scholars, many
Ministers with Doctorates in Theology, Christian Debater who has
over a thousand debate-videos with Muslims, JW's to Moody, and
every Christian/atheist/Mormon/Buddhist/Muslim/Catholic Scholar
I have debated with over the past 25 years, and the more
educated ones in Theology have all ended up saying: "You know
what Arius, I honestly can't say what you believe is not
Scriptural because you back up everything with the Bible, and I
even admit it is within context, .. but I just cannot accept
what you are saying."
One TV Debater who has over a thousand videos on YouTube said
regarding our 4 hour debate on the Trinity: "I know what you are
saying, and I'm not denying that it's all Scriptural, all I can
tell you is: Even if God Himself came down and told me this, I
would reject it!"
The Lord is my witness this is what he said. And when he told me
this, he looked up at the ceiling, then broke a little laughter
and said: "I know how that sounds, but that's all I can tell
you. And sorry, but I don't want to do an official video debate
with you, matter of fact, this will be our last meeting."
Here is the guy; Larry Wessels
HTML https://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV
Yep, Christian Answers TV and this is the answer he gave me.
Look if this guy refused anyone, even cult members, Muslims
outside the college campuses etc. He would track them down and
never seen him back away from even a violent debate, let alone
welcomed as a guest in my own home.
Anyways, I used to love his TV Program, watched him every time
he was on. Here is an example:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4s2vG65dU
[quote="Blade"]are you married and have kids>?// Lets take NED
for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I
am grandfather and so on.
Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in
essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He
reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids.
He reacts differently to his wife than he reacts to his parents
as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father,
it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the
commitment.[/quote]
Yes, that is a very good example Blade, except if I heard NED
praying to himself as Father-NED, I would start worrying about
his mental state. I would say that somewhere he got his wires
crossed.
It would be different if he went to his dad and asked him for
something, but to see him refer to himself as his own father,
well you know what I mean?
[quote="Blade"]The Trinity comes from the three characters in
essence, God (Our Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ)
and is(the Holy Spirit). For these three essences react among
themselves, the people of earth differently than each other yet
they are the same LORD GOD.[/quote]
And look, I'm sure Larry Wessels would even agree with you, as
would about a million Christian Ministers, Bible Scholars etc.
but would not debate this with me for too long (most was Larry
Wessels at my house in Texas about 4-5 hours long)
I have never left a debate, but every one of them did want to
leave, and as friendly as our meeting was, they shown no
interest to have it repeated, .. ESPECIALLY Recorded, as Larry
moved the video camera pointing to the wall so only the sound
could be heard. He said he only does Professional video
shooting.
I will hold on to what is written, it is all I have, and if I
give that up, then my 62 years of persecutions would be all for
nothing, and I would really have nothing left than what Jobs
wife suggested him:
Job 2:9 (NKJV)
9 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your
integrity? Curse God and die!”
[quote="Blade"]thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy
Spirit and vice versa.
Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is
not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended
to heaven after his resurrection.
Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my
called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." This is
Jesus speaking for in the next verse.
Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto
them, they stand up together." Then in Isa 48:16
Isa 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not
spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was,
there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.[/quote]
Look, this is NOT some theology that I was taught:
Theology is the critical study of the nature of the divine. It
is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities
and seminaries - Wikipedia
or my Religious belief, or some doctrine I made up, this is how
I read it in the Bible. I'm simple, dumb, under-schooled, but so
far I have stuck to the Word of God, and have not found even one
person who could prove I am wrong, .. or that my understanding
is incorrect.
I have shown you many times who the Bible says who God is, and
who is His son Word, who became flesh by Gods Spirit Angel the
Holy Spirit who took the son Word and deconstructed him into DNA
information which he put into the egg of a virgin, where she got
pregnant, gave birth to a boy she was told to name Jesus. I mean
even we can do this now, so since we are created in Gods image,
I figure it is how God done it too, right?
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was
made that was made.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and
the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did
not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave
the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His
name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:1-14)
[quote="Blade"]Having established who this is, the in verse 12,
we see the same words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I
am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:".
This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as
the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking
about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus
rejecting their messiah.
As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ[/quote]
Look, just accept it like it says: God was manifested in the
flesh, IN Jesus Christ, not AS Jesus Christ, who was with God in
the beginning as His son Word, who became flesh, .. then named
Jesus. Never Father God, just the son of God Word.
[quote="Blade"]There are a lot of verses that tell us not only
that Jesus is GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.
Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity
if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the
Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a
false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel
to others.
Blade[/quote]
Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not
Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and
why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about
your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where
everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall
on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line
here.
This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and
stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the
Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't
steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry Wessels
did!
Arius
[/quote]
Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing
them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You
theology is on the order of non=trinitarian. You said God's son
was named WORD? God and his son Word.
Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God."
If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was
with GOD and the WORD [color=white](His son) was GOD. [/color]
Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the
Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was
laid, etc. Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.
OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..
Blade
#Post#: 4526--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 20, 2019, 3:20 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4497#msg4497
date=1552974861]
>
> Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not
Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and
why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about
your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where
everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall
on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
> It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line
here.
>
> This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and
stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the
Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't
steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
> I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry
Wessels did!
>
>
> Arius
>
--- End Quote ---
Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing
them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You
theology is on the order of non=trinitarian. You said God's son
was named WORD? God and his son Word.
Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God."
If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was
with GOD and the WORD [color=white](His son) was GOD. [/color]
Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the
Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was
laid, etc. Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.[/quote]
Yes sir, he was there with God his Father, as Gods son Word, but
not God. He was "with God", why would John 1 exist if the Word
was God after he was created/begotten? That would be like I
pointed out dozens of times:
In the beginning was God, the God was with God, and the God was
God. What's the point in saying this? If the Word was God, then
God was God, .. end of discussion.
--- Quote ---
> OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
You mean: "You don't think you can sway me anymore" ..
Just remember that it is you who is trying to convince me of a
non-Biblical man-made doctrine, and it is I who keeps bringing
you back to Scriptures.
God bless you Blade!
Your friend always, till that Last Trumpet sounds, and I pray I
will be there to hear the billions of Christians as they defend,
and try to convince Jesus Christ of the Trinity Doctrine!? What
I really want to see is if they truly were blinded by it, or
they just loved the idea behind it, .. the idea that God died by
the hand of the Romans, and He had to be resurrected, and raised
back up to His original God position: "Above all principalities
and Powers"?
I will say; that will be very interesting!
Arius
#Post#: 6276--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:38 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg4510#msg4510
date=1553044335]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4497#msg4497
date=1552974861]
>
> Look, even you admit that this Trinity-gods doctrine is not
Biblical, and even though I spelled it out a few time where and
why and how this doctrine came about, if you would care about
your soul salvation instead of this Christian ideology where
everyone that dies automatically goes to Heaven, you would fall
on your knees asking God of the Bible to have Jesus save you!
> It is THAT important, .. the souls of Christian is on the line
here.
>
> This is all I have, whatever is written is where I stand, and
stay. If Christian History as we can see it today through the
Internet with pictures and videos and historical accounts can't
steer you away from this evil doctrine, then nothing will.
> I just pray you will not respond as my once friend Larry
Wessels did!
>
>
> Arius
>
--- End Quote ---
Well Arius, you tell me I am saying the right things and backing
them up with scripture yet you do not want to believe. You
theology is on the order of non=trinitarian. You said God's son
was named WORD? God and his son Word.
Look to John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God."
If as you say, God's son is WORD then "the WORD (the Son) was
with GOD and the WORD [color=white](His son) was GOD. [/color]
Either way, Jesus Christ, the son of GOD was the 1st and the
Last, was there when the first foundation of His church was
laid, etc. Jesus is GOD and GOD is Jesus.[/quote]
Yes sir, he was there with God his Father, as Gods son Word, but
not God. He was "with God", why would John 1 exist if the Word
was God after he was created/begotten? That would be like I
pointed out dozens of times:
In the beginning was God, the God was with God, and the God was
God. What's the point in saying this? If the Word was God, then
God was God, .. end of discussion.
--- Quote ---
> OK. I don't think I can help you anymore..
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
You mean: "You don't think you can sway me anymore" ..
Just remember that it is you who is trying to convince me of a
non-Biblical man-made doctrine, and it is I who keeps bringing
you back to Scriptures.
God bless you Blade!
Your friend always, till that Last Trumpet sounds, and I pray I
will be there to hear the billions of Christians as they defend,
and try to convince Jesus Christ of the Trinity Doctrine!? What
I really want to see is if they truly were blinded by it, or
they just loved the idea behind it, .. the idea that God died by
the hand of the Romans, and He had to be resurrected, and raised
back up to His original God position: "Above all principalities
and Powers"?
I will say; that will be very interesting!
Arius
[/quote]Where did you go? What happened?
#Post#: 6695--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 29, 2019, 11:14 am
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Good thread.
#Post#: 6742--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2019, 7:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> *We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
>
> *After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of
the world was very significant as there were people throughout
the region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
>
--- End Quote ---
I asked a mathematician friend about this:
I am bothered not knowing how to work out exponent growth
patterns. To use a simple population pattern, no twins, no
deaths, let’s consider one birth a year by one person for 13
years when the oldest child also starts having children. All
children start having children at 13 years old and keep having
children every year. How many people are there in 125 years? How
is this for something new?
He answered:
Yeehaw. Branching processes.
Let’s do the simplest case we can first, which we can arrive at
because in the case you have here, everything is deterministic
and happens in 13 year increments, so you can take one
generation to be 13 years and work only in terms of generations.
In generation 0, there is 1 person. Each person in the previous
generation produced 13 people in the next generation, plus
themselves, so, notating the number of people in generation i as
N_i,
N_i = 14 * N_{i-1}
with N_0 = 1, the solution to this is N_i = 14^i.
125 years is between 9 and 10 generations, so there are between
20 billion and 289 billion people in this model.
The general program is to set up a recurrence for N_i in terms
of earlier values of N, and set an initial condition (N_0). Then
you are into the theory of difference equations, which is a well
studied area of mathematics that just happens to be rarely
taught. You also don’t have to get exact solutions via
difference equations. You can just plug in numbers and work your
way through:
i | N_i
————
0 | 1
1 | 14
2 | 196
3 | 2744
4 | 38416
5 | 537824
6 | 7529536
7 | 105413504
This is only possible if your expression for N_i only depends on
the past, not the future. If it depends on the future as well,
then you actually need the difference equations. It doesn’t
usually depend on the future, but that problem does show up when
calculating with boundary values in physics problems
(temperature is X at this end, Y at that end, calculate what it
is in the middle).
#Post#: 6743--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 29, 2019, 8:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130
years old.(2)
>
> *After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of
the world was very significant as there were people throughout
the region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
>
--- End Quote ---
I asked a mathematician friend about this:
I am bothered not knowing how to work out exponent growth
patterns. To use a simple population pattern, no twins, no
deaths, let’s consider one birth a year by one person for 13
years when the oldest child also starts having children. All
children start having children at 13 years old and keep having
children every year. How many people are there in 125 years? How
is this for something new?
He answered:
Yeehaw. Branching processes.
Let’s do the simplest case we can first, which we can arrive at
because in the case you have here, everything is deterministic
and happens in 13 year increments, so you can take one
generation to be 13 years and work only in terms of generations.
In generation 0, there is 1 person. Each person in the previous
generation produced 13 people in the next generation, plus
themselves, so, notating the number of people in generation i as
N_i,
N_i = 14 * N_{i-1}
with N_0 = 1, the solution to this is N_i = 14^i.
125 years is between 9 and 10 generations, so there are between
20 billion and 289 billion people in this model.
The general program is to set up a recurrence for N_i in terms
of earlier values of N, and set an initial condition (N_0). Then
you are into the theory of difference equations, which is a well
studied area of mathematics that just happens to be rarely
taught. You also don’t have to get exact solutions via
difference equations. You can just plug in numbers and work your
way through:
i | N_i
————
0 | 1
1 | 14
2 | 196
3 | 2744
4 | 38416
5 | 537824
6 | 7529536
7 | 105413504
This is only possible if your expression for N_i only depends on
the past, not the future. If it depends on the future as well,
then you actually need the difference equations. It doesn’t
usually depend on the future, but that problem does show up when
calculating with boundary values in physics problems
(temperature is X at this end, Y at that end, calculate what it
is in the middle).
[/quote]
I did not speculate on the exact number of people that were in
the world at that time. You used a generation of 13 years. God
had told us the generation is 39-40 years plus twenty. Therefore
I do believe a generation of child birth would be 17-20 years
old. 20 Billion is just too much.... It might have been around
150-300 million at that time. That is my supposition.
Blade
#Post#: 6791--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest58
Date: July 2, 2019, 3:30 pm
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--- Quote from: 1Mind1Spirit link ---
>
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer. The doctrine of
original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while
still in Abraham's loins. We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
Big, that is HUGE, difference between tithing and creating us
evil by means of making us human in Adam's line, a consummate
blasphemy!
#Post#: 6813--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 3, 2019, 8:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=171.msg1527#msg1527
date=1538983355]
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer. The doctrine of
original sin stands on the same principle as Levy tithing while
still in Abraham's loins. We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
Big, that is HUGE, difference between tithing and creating us
evil by means of making us human in Adam's line, a consummate
blasphemy!
[/quote]
Why is this HUGE? Adam had already fallen by the time Cain and
Abel were born ad YES, they were born into sin. So were you and
I.
Blade
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