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#Post#: 4268--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest55
Date: March 4, 2019, 10:08 pm
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--- Quote from: 1Mind1Spirit link ---
>
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer.
The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as
Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.
We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since
than just behavior. Sin is a condition from which behaviors are
produced. Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the
mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from
the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh. As Jesus told
Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which
is born of flesh is flesh.
When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them
in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of
flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness. Unfortunately,
this condition was passed on to their off spring.
Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses
to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which
makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.
Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness from
God restored that Connection for all who desire it. So, it was
not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God
of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His
Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness
by Grace through our faith.
God Speed
#Post#: 4351--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 8, 2019, 1:06 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=171.msg1527#msg1527
date=1538983355]
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer.
The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as
Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.
We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since
than just behavior. Sin is a condition from which behaviors are
produced. Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the
mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from
the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh. As Jesus told
Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which
is born of flesh is flesh.
When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them
in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of
flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness. Unfortunately,
this condition was passed on to their off spring.
Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses
to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which
makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.
Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness from
God restored that Connection for all who desire it. So, it was
not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God
of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His
Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness
by Grace through our faith.
God Speed
[/quote]
Wow [member=55]Grace_Accepted[/member], that totally makes sense
Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs"
part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our
brokenness" and not that God came down.
God bless you.
Arius
#Post#: 4352--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 8, 2019, 1:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=171.msg4268#msg4268
date=1551758928]
> [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=171.msg1527#msg1527
date=1538983355]
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer.
The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as
Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.
We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since
than just behavior. Sin is a condition from which behaviors are
produced. Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the
mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from
the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh. As Jesus told
Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which
is born of flesh is flesh.
When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them
in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of
flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness. Unfortunately,
this condition was passed on to their off spring.
Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses
to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which
makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.
Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness from
God restored that Connection for all who desire it. So, it was
not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God
of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His
Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness
by Grace through our faith.
God Speed
[/quote]
Wow [member=55]Grace_Accepted[/member], that totally makes sense
Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs"
part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our
brokenness" and not that God came down.
God bless you.
Arius
[/quote]Arius my brother, are you also evidence on TF?
#Post#: 4353--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 8, 2019, 2:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4229#msg4229
date=1551514091]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg4168#msg4168
date=1551237735]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4167#msg4167
date=1551233185]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg4079#msg4079
date=1550886505]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4066#msg4066
date=1550797265]
> [quote]Bladerunner said:
> And I have tried every way to show you why the TRUE CHRISTIAN
is NOT the same as the RCC.
>
> I guess we have nothing else to discuss.
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was
that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught
a great many people. And the disciples were first called
Christians in Antioch.
If someone calls me an "Idiot" for believing, and following in
the footsteps of Jesus Christ who said he was "the Way, the
truth and the Life", doesn't mean I have to accept it and go by
that derogatory name, right?
Now if you can show me where the Early Disciples who walked as
"followers of the Way" ever 'referred to themselves as
"Christians", then we would have something to go on. Instead we
see it was something that burdened them, even to a point of
suffering:
1 Peter 4:16
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed,
but let him glorify God in this matter.
No Disciple of Christ, especially no Apostle would ever suffer
for being called: "Hey you; follower of the Way!" But being
mocked by a word like "Christian" can get tiresome.
Now we know who made a Religion out of that name though, ..
right? Rome did through Constantine with his Roman Catholic
Church who worshipped many gods, but especially the sun god. You
really cannot deny this, as I have shown you many YouTube videos
of the RCC Christians worshipping the sun god on Sundays.
Also, where did the Apostles ever mention that "God is three
persons", .. where? Show me even ONE mention in the Bible of God
being "three persons", or "being baptized three times", or
either the "son Word, or the Holy Spirit is just one person who
make up God as a Trinity" or that "God is plural, made up of
many"? But I can show you a demon who actually was plural. One,
made up of many:
Mark 5:9
Then He asked him, “What is your name?” And he answered, saying,
“My name is Legion; for we are many.”
Mark 5:15
Then they came to Jesus, and saw the one who had been
demon-possessed and had the legion, sitting and clothed and in
his right mind. And they were afraid.
Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said,
“Legion,” because many demons had entered him.
Arius
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
The word Christian is a greek word:
"Χριστιανός
Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e.
follower of Christ:—Christian. "
The word appears three times in the Bible in three unique forms.
You follower of the Way only appears once in the NIV version ( a
corrupted version) and it reads like this.......
Acts 24:14 (NIV).."However, I admit that I worship the God of
our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect.
I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that
is written in the Prophets, "
Acts 24:14 (KJV).."But this I confess unto thee, that after the
way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers,
believing all things which are written in the law and in the
prophets: "
During the days of Paul, the Judaizers called (the followers of
the Way) those that followed the LAW and the Prophets. Paul made
it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in later
verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them.
You are following the wrong path my friend. The only way to
Heaven is through Jesus Christ by Faith. (1 COR 15:1-4)
Blade
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
So what you're saying is that Paul was a rebel, a "Follower of
the Way", .. a pusher of the Law rather than a Believer by
faith? No wonder he opened the door to the Gentiles, he was mad,
and went according to the Jewish Law, and by hallucinations.
I guess Christian does have the word "Christ" in it, while the
"follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life" does not. Besides,
Christianity being the most numerous and militarily the most
powerful Religion on the Globe proves they follow Christ because
it's obvious the gods are with them. The gods, .. especially the
son-god is definitely strong in this one, even helped wipe them
"Follower of the Way" heretics off the face of the globe.
“You almost persuade me to become a Christian” Blade, and if
Paul knew what would come in the near future he would have
rejoiced in not only turning King Agrippa into a Christian, but
the entire Roman Empire! Maybe King Agrippa had something to do
with Christianity becoming the most mighty Religion for the next
1,700 years, and maybe he past it down to Constantine!?
I mean it sounds pretty convincing, .. better than following a
loser, "a failure on the cross" as the Holiest of Christian
Fathers says.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Arius,, Try rereading this verse again. "Paul
made it clear that He believed in all things written yet, in
later verses he confirms that he is helping fulfill them."
Thats right, the very tiny word of YET, also means future. "all
things written yet" Paul believed in Jesus Christ and all things
written in the future. This is confirmed to be a future date as
[b]"he is helping to fulfill them."
The judaizers were those Jews that followed the law of Moses for
they had rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah.
I have not changed Arius. I am open to all ideas about the Bible
and GOD's WORD but reserved the right to reject them at any
time.
Blade[/shadow]
"
[/quote]
Yes my friend, we have free will, and like billions of people
out there, we can accept, or reject Scripture, .. especially the
verses that were "added" to support the Trinity Doctrine. And
you can reject Paul, and even Jesus himself.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I can reject Paul and Jesus? Paul is the our
apostle during this period of GRACE. Jesus is the Lord GOD. Now
why would I reject either of them?
The verses in the KJV agree with around 5,000 manuscripts
written by students of Rabbis, etc., who had the original
epistles, gospels and other teachings of Jesus Christ and His
writers. They agree almost to perfection with the KJV.... If
you want to study the other versions and expect them to help
get you to heaven then don't waste your breath. Most of them
deny the deity of Jesus Christ and that my friend is a huge
problem.
You Aries, have a great day sir:
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Sorry @Bladeruner, I must have misunderstood you!? I still stick
with KJV and then switch to NKJV when I post, but exactly for
the reason you hold on to the KJV, is the parts of it that I
reject, the added deification of Gods son Word. Making the son
equal to God, which is exactly what the Pharisees tried to do so
they could accuse him on "blasphemy" charges.
.. Woe, wait, .. again this train of thought is wrong. It's like
the Flat Earther saying: "Millions of people around the Globe
believe that the earth is Flat", .. you know what I mean? That's
just wrong. Well the same way in what I said above is wrong, and
this is because in both cases (Trinity and Flat Earth) we been
so brainwashed onto a false "track of mind" we just cant seem to
get off of it, .. or time to time we find ourselves on it again.
I just realized this not long ago, and learned the proper use of
the word "deification".
Definition of
deification - Marriam-Webster
: the act or an instance of deifying
Synonyms
adulation, hero worship, idolatry, idolization, worship,
worshipping
Also:
Apotheosis is the glorification of a subject to divine level.
The term has meanings in theology, where it refers to a belief,
and in art, where it refers to a genre. In theology, apotheosis
refers to the idea that an individual has been raised to godlike
stature
So what really happen when we refer to our Infinite and Eternal
Spirit/Mind Creator God as a "deity"? Look at the definition and
ask ourselves: "Does God/Infinite need to be deified to
godhood?"
Deification is the process, and deity is the product. God, Bible
God our Creator cannot be a "product", especially from man.
Jesus on the other hand was deified by God Himself, who created
him.
Ephesians 1:15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in
the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease
to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may
give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge
of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened;
that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the
riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and
what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who
believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which
He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated
Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all
principality and power and might and dominion, and every name
that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to
come.
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head
over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the
fullness of Him who fills all in all.
So the son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us whom now
we know as "Jesus Christ" was deified/raised up by God, who is
his God and our God, his Father and our Father above Moses (who
God also deified as a god to both Pharaoh and his brother Aaron)
and above all other Principalities and Powers, to the "Right
Hand" of the Spirit-Power God Himself.
What the gentile Roman church who took on the mock name
"Christian" did was deify Jesus to the height of God/Infinite,
so they could not only kill Jesus, but God/Infinite Himself. If
not in reality, they did it in the hearts and minds of men.
Arius
#Post#: 4354--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 8, 2019, 3:16 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4351#msg4351
date=1552072018]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=171.msg4268#msg4268
date=1551758928]
> [quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=171.msg1527#msg1527
date=1538983355]
> [quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
> [quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.
--- End Quote ---
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer.
The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as
Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.
We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
[/quote]
I think it comes down to understanding sin in a broader since
than just behavior. Sin is a condition from which behaviors are
produced. Christ introduced this concept in the sermon on the
mount and when he said, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
This condition results from the Spirit of God being absent from
the soul of a man leaving merely the flesh. As Jesus told
Nicodemus, That which is born of spirit is spirit and that which
is born of flesh is flesh.
When Adam and Eve sinned, the rejected the Spirit of God in them
in favor of the serpents promises and thus became creatures of
flesh in capable of sustaining righteousness. Unfortunately,
this condition was passed on to their off spring.
Like a pregnant mother who abuse drugs and passes on her abuses
to her baby, we are born lacking God's indwelling spirit which
makes sinful behavior all but inevitable as we develop.
Christ, in taking our place and bearing our seperatedness from
God restored that Connection for all who desire it. So, it was
not a specific behavior that God blamed us for but rather a God
of love looking down on the broken Human race and sending His
Son to bear our brokenness that we might enjoy His contentedness
by Grace through our faith.
God Speed
[/quote]
Wow [member=55]Grace_Accepted[/member], that totally makes sense
Biblically/logically, I especially like your "mother on drugs"
part. Also that it was "God sending His Son to bear our
brokenness" and not that God came down.
God bless you.
Arius
[/quote]Arius my brother, are you also evidence on TF?
[/quote]
Patrick jane my Brother, why yes, I thought you knew that? On
"Christian Forums" I was Arius also, while on "Debate.org" I was
Evidence
I was going to ask you, do you know a fellow Flat Earther going
by "Erfisflat"?
#Post#: 4364--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 8, 2019, 11:41 pm
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Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people and
forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to both
forums !!!
#Post#: 4428--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 13, 2019, 3:37 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
#Post#: 4437--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 13, 2019, 10:08 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4364#msg4364
date=1552110073]
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
[/quote]I really like your posts and I learn from you so that
you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND
the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
#Post#: 4477--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest43
Date: March 17, 2019, 7:51 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4428#msg4428
date=1552509441]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4364#msg4364
date=1552110073]
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
[/quote]I really like your posts and I learn from you so that
you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND
the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
[/quote]
Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the
Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could
make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God,
and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of
the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the
world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.
NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to
the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they
explain about them do not exist.
Have you seen this, just today:
FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies
HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp
Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which
is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"?
Lol
Arius/evidence
#Post#: 4479--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 18, 2019, 12:13 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4437#msg4437
date=1552532893]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg4428#msg4428
date=1552509441]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=171.msg4364#msg4364
date=1552110073]
> Arius, yes I just wanted to make sure. I know so many people
and forget names but no I don't know Erfisflat. Invite him to
both forums !!!
>
--- End Quote ---
Running two Forums, no wonder. I forget my own name, if you were
to ask me it real quick.
Have you ever been on Debate.org? You would have known Erfisflat
there by the name slmjvd or something like that. Anyways, he got
tired of the same ignorant bs from Globetard's, so after his
wife's second, or was it 3rd baby, he called it quits.
I really though you were him when I seen you on Christian
Forums. I loved that guy, he opened my eyes to our Flat earth,
and many, many other Biblical truths with it.
[/quote]I really like your posts and I learn from you so that
you. You get me thinking about creation and the beginning AND
the end. Keep it up I love it !!!
[/quote]
Now I just wish I could make you see the deception of the
Christian Religion and their Trinity-gods doctrine, we could
make some good YouTube videos to wake good people who love God,
and the Bible up and back to the True and Only "Way".
I liken Christianity to NASA, both billionaires, rob people of
the most money, cause the most pain and suffering in the
world,and have the masses deceived by the same tricks.
NASA by pointing to the heavens, and RCC Christian pointing to
the Bible. In both cases what they're pointing at, and what they
explain about them do not exist.
Have you seen this, just today:
FOX News
NASA’s Hubble space telescope captures two colliding galaxies
HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/article/nasas-hubble-space-telescope-captures-two-colliding-galaxies/vi-BBUJ5DJ?ocid=spartanntp
Look at their headline, then look what they show Hubble (which
is tucked away in a lab somewhere at Huston Center) "capturing"?
Lol
Arius/evidence
[/quote]
The use of Trinity-gods is false as well is your theology, Arius
or Evidence
are you married and have kids>?// Lets take NED for an example.
Ned says.. I am Ned, I am a son, I am a husband, I am Father, I
am grandfather and so on.
Now the Lord God is far more complicated than that but in
essence, Ned is all of those characters yet Ned is not. He
reacts to his kids differently than He does with his grand-kids.
He reacts differently to his wife than he reacts to his parents
as a son. Yet, if he make a commitment as a son to his father,
it is he, NED who will be actually doing the essence of the
commitment.
The Trinity comes from the three characters in essence, God (Our
Lord) is(God, the Father), is (Jesus Christ) and is(the Holy
Spirit). For these three essences react among themselves, the
people of earth differently than each other yet they are the
same LORD GOD.
thus God is Jesus Christ and God is the Holy Spirit and vice
versa.
Of course I know that your theology only allows that Jesus is
not GOD but a god who was raised to that level when he ascended
to heaven after his resurrection.
Yet, in Isaiah 48:12"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my
called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." This is
Jesus speaking for in the next verse.
Isa 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth,
and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto
them, they stand up together." Then in Isa 48:16
Isa 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not
spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was,
there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
As you can see they sent Jesus Christ.
Having established who this is, the in verse 12, we see the same
words used by Jesus again in Revelation 1:11.."I am Alpha and
Omega, the first and the last:".
This is in the OT and a prophecy that He will come to them as
the messiah, yet because in the same chapter, He is also talking
about His second coming, they did not separate them out, thus
rejecting their messiah.
As we see in 1 Tim 3:16.."And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory."
"God was manifest in the flesh" was Jesus Christ
There are a lot of verses that tell us not only that Jesus is
GOD but also the Holy Spirit is GOD.
Yet, to deny the Deity of Jesus Christ, is to deny the Trinity
if not in word only for the word "Trinity" doe not appear in the
Bible. Thus it is easier for those that taught you to feed you a
false gospel and for you to continue feeding that false gospel
to others.
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