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#Post#: 3405--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 24, 2019, 9:04 pm
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Here’s where Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE he
was created in the image and likeness of God together with Eve
on the 6th Day.
Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground
on the THIRD Day:
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when
they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth
and the heavens,
As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10
These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not
caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to
till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and
watered the whole face of the ground.
Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on
the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen
1:12-13
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul.
On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the
plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground.
Correct?
Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is
speaking of the THIRD Day.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there
he put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made
the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight,
and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the
garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the
THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.
Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust
becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even
created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was
made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed
their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.
IOW, Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in
God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and
Eternally,…. after A&E already have committed their original sin
; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel… In fact, the actual
Creation This Creation Event took place during Seth’
generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord
as recorded and explained in the Scripture below - Gen 4:26; Gen
5:1-2
In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in
the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have
already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden
of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event
took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to
call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.
Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that
God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called
their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son
in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the
beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of
God.
Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of
God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually
in Christ.
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Amen?
#Post#: 3406--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 25, 2019, 1:22 am
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My dear friend [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] you said:
According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of
humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a
fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be
restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden
during the Millennium. Thus the sixth day.
Here is what it really says:
Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was
no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem,
coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell
with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be
with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear
from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor
crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have
passed away.
Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and
un-believers will go through:
Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the
context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is
1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what
will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were
concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to
then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage
is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved
ones.
The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians
have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved
ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of
that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have
already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are
still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up”
and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with
an admonition to encourage others with this hope.
In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to
refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul
wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died
prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything.
That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want
you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that
you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).
So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those
believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ.
(Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second
coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether
dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from
the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he
writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits,
then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians
15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original
audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be
termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the
first and second comings of Christ.
Another question that may come up in this context is what
happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep
to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers
experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like
state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this
position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1
Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as
used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual
sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and
before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious,
blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2
Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.
At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the
resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home
with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state.
Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that
await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of
their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).
I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!
#Post#: 3425--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 25, 2019, 3:05 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3381#msg3381
date=1548337051]
If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject
matter:
In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image
and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)-
both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked-
out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel;
(Gen. 5:1-3)
The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after
men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’
generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first
couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2
but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the
Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges)
"creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling
us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of
God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their
physical formation by Jesus.
IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and
sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy,
redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our God is an awesome God.
[/quote]
Hello Seve my friend.
Interesting take on Gods creation of man, I never heard this one
before, you said: The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took
place only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord
during Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were
the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
Are you a Christian? If so, which denomination?
God bless you.
#Post#: 3428--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 25, 2019, 5:50 pm
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Hello my friend,
“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our
Lord Jesus Christ”
Yes, I consider myself to be a Born Again Christian -
Non-Denomination Church - An independent Christian.
God bless
#Post#: 3441--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 26, 2019, 7:29 am
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[size=10pt]Dear Arius,
I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post
above, would that be correct statement of facts?
Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better
understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let
me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're
disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want
to.
I know, my view is very peculiar and contrary to mostly
traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the
Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an
opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my
position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption
or speculation of my stand.
Thank you and best regards, my friend.
God bless
[/size]
#Post#: 3454--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 26, 2019, 7:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3441#msg3441
date=1548509381]
[size=10pt]Dear Arius,
I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post
above, would that be correct statement of facts?
Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better
understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let
me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're
disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want
to.
I know, my view is very peculiar and contrary to mostly
traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the
Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an
opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my
position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption
or speculation of my stand.
Thank you and best regards, my friend.
God bless
[/size]
[/quote]
May the Lord bless you too my friend Seve, and hopefully
Brothers in Christ.
Yes, I would love to understand more of your take on the Bible,
that's how I learned more in the first year debating on Forums
then the 20 years that my Church had me read the Bible and pray
about what I did not understand. You know, one of those strict
Christian Denominations that thought "they were the Only Truth,
thus the Only Way" and everyone else was lost, going to hell.
I too have an .. how should I say: unorthodox understanding of
the Bible, even Unchristian-like understanding. I don't believe
that any of the gods in Christianity is our Heavenly Creator
mentioned in the Bible. So yes, I can understand where different
views can arise from. But we can talk about that later.
First, after re-reading your above post reminded me going back
some years following the teachings of this Pastor Arnold Murray,
you wouldn't happen to be associated with this "Shepherds
Chapel" denomination would you?
God bless us both my friend, I do want to get to know your
thoughts, feelings, and especially your "faith" in Christ, what
your faith is built on?
Mainly; "which Christ?" since I'm sure you agree we have a
plethora of them in Christianity, right? It would be a terrible
waste to build our 'house' (faith) on doctrines of men, rather
then the Rock; Jesus Christ as he reveals the Father to us in
the Bible.
#Post#: 3456--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 26, 2019, 7:39 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3406#msg3406
date=1548400976]
My dear friend [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] you said:
According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of
humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a
fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be
restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden
during the Millennium. Thus the sixth day.
Here is what it really says:
Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was
no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem,
coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell
with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be
with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear
from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor
crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have
passed away.
Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and
un-believers will go through:
Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the
context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is
1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what
will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were
concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to
then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage
is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved
ones.
The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians
have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved
ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of
that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have
already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are
still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up”
and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with
an admonition to encourage others with this hope.
In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to
refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul
wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died
prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything.
That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want
you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that
you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).
So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those
believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ.
(Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second
coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether
dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from
the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he
writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits,
then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians
15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original
audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be
termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the
first and second comings of Christ.
Another question that may come up in this context is what
happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep
to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers
experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like
state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this
position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1
Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as
used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual
sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and
before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious,
blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2
Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.
At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the
resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home
with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state.
Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that
await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of
their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).
I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
you said:"Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new
earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
"
Arius...before you go any further, you have gone to far. Rev. 21
is after the Millennium at the end of the 6th day and the
beginning of the seventh day (7,000 years).
I only gave a summary in the last post. If you want to go verse
by verse it is ok with me. At is how I read the Bible anyways.
Literally, Historically and Grammatically.
Go back to Rev. 20. where the ANGEL places Satan in the
Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This is the beginning of the
1,000 years millennium.
If we do not get a good understanding of what each is saying,
all the following comments to these wrong beginnings will also
be wrong.
If you are going to understand Revelation, we need to start a
REV 1.
Have a great day my friend.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3458--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 26, 2019, 7:59 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg3456#msg3456
date=1548553195]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3406#msg3406
date=1548400976]
My dear friend [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] you said:
According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of
humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a
fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be
restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden
during the Millennium. Thus the sixth day.
Here is what it really says:
Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was
no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem,
coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned
for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell
with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be
with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear
from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor
crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have
passed away.
Also, here is how I understand the change Believers, and
un-believers will go through:
Before identifying the “dead in Christ,” we should note the
context in which this phrase is found. The immediate context is
1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, which deals with the question of what
will happen at the return of the Lord Jesus. Paul’s readers were
concerned that when Christ returns, those who have died prior to
then would somehow miss out. The primary purpose of this passage
is to comfort those believers who have lost believing loved
ones.
The message of this passage is a message of hope. Christians
have hope that unbelievers do not have when they lose loved
ones. There is hope beyond the grave for Christians, and part of
that hope is that, at the return of Christ, those who have
already died “will rise first.” After that, Christians who are
still alive will be transformed. Both groups will be “caught up”
and will meet the Lord in the air. Paul closes this section with
an admonition to encourage others with this hope.
In this passage, Paul uses the common euphemism of sleep to
refer to those who have died in Christ, i.e., believers. Paul
wants to comfort his readers that those Christians who have died
prior to the return of Christ will not miss out on anything.
That is why he opens this section by saying, “But we do not want
you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that
you may not grieve as others do who have no hope” (v. 13).
So to answer the question, the dead in Christ are those
believers who have died prior to the second coming of Christ.
(Note, whether 1 Thessalonians 4 is referring to the second
coming or the rapture is a matter of debate.) Believers, whether
dead or alive, belong to Christ. We get similar language from
the apostle in his first letter to the Corinthians when he
writes, “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits,
then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Corinthians
15:23). The dead in Christ applies not only to Paul’s original
audience, but to all believers who have died in what can be
termed the “inter-advental” period, or the time between the
first and second comings of Christ.
Another question that may come up in this context is what
happens to believers when they die? Certainly, Paul uses sleep
to refer to their state, but does this mean that believers
experience (for lack of a better word) an unconscious sleep-like
state until the future resurrection? Those who advocate this
position, called soul sleep, base it on passages such as 1
Thessalonians 4:13–18. But it should be noted that “sleep” as
used here is euphemistic. It is not meant to convey actual
sleep. In fact, the experience of the believer after death and
before the end of the age when Christ returns is conscious,
blissful communion with the Lord. Paul hints at this in 2
Corinthians 5:6–8 and Philippians 1:23.
At death, the body lies in repose in the grave awaiting the
resurrection of the last day, but the soul goes to be at home
with the Lord. This is the doctrine of the intermediate state.
Believers experience in a provisional sense the rewards that
await them in heaven, while unbelievers experience a taste of
their eternal torment in hell (Luke 16:19–31).
I love you my friend, and may God bless us all!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
you said:"Revelation 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new
earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.
"
Arius...before you go any further, you have gone to far. Rev. 21
is after the Millennium at the end of the 6th day and the
beginning of the seventh day (7,000 years).
I only gave a summary in the last post. If you want to go verse
by verse it is ok with me. At is how I read the Bible anyways.
Literally, Historically and Grammatically.
Go back to Rev. 20. where the ANGEL places Satan in the
Bottomless pit for 1,000 years. This is the beginning of the
1,000 years millennium.
If we do not get a good understanding of what each is saying,
all the following comments to these wrong beginnings will also
be wrong.
If you are going to understand Revelation, we need to start a
REV 1.
Have a great day my friend.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Arius, I said:" According to the Bible, when the Rapture
happens, a new form of humanity will be created by the
translation of our bodies from a fleshly form to a heavenly
form."
This was a mistake and I would like to rephrase this statement
for the reader of these posts. When the Rapture happens those
of the Church (Bride/Body of Christ) will be removed from earth,
will receive a new Body (translated body) that is like that of
Jesus Christ for we sill see him as HE is.
These parts of mankind (OT Saints, Bride of Christ, Martyred
Saints)
will ascend from mortal man to immortal Sons of GOD. 1 John
3:1-2
My apologies for the previous miss-statement concerning
humanity.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 27, 2019, 1:13 am
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date=1548552075]
[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3441#msg3441
date=1548509381]
[size=10pt]Dear Arius,
I just notice that you have been disagreeing mostly to my post
above, would that be correct statement of facts?
Perhaps, I could explain myself further for your better
understanding of my perspective of the subject matter. Just let
me know exactly why and which of my statements or claims you're
disagreeing with, so we can also discuss it further, if you want
to.
I know, my view is very peculiar and contrary to mostly
traditional teachings. Rest assure however, that I only use the
Scripture (KJV) to support what I post and claim. Given, an
opportunity, I can also help you to better understand my
position of the subject matter at hand to avoid any assumption
or speculation of my stand.
Thank you and best regards, my friend.
God bless
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May the Lord bless you too my friend Seve, and hopefully
Brothers in Christ.
Yes, I would love to understand more of your take on the Bible,
that's how I learned more in the first year debating on Forums
then the 20 years that my Church had me read the Bible and pray
about what I did not understand. You know, one of those strict
Christian Denominations that thought "they were the Only Truth,
thus the Only Way" and everyone else was lost, going to hell.
I too have an .. how should I say: unorthodox understanding of
the Bible, even Unchristian-like understanding. I don't believe
that any of the gods in Christianity is our Heavenly Creator
mentioned in the Bible. So yes, I can understand where different
views can arise from. But we can talk about that later.
First, after re-reading your above post reminded me going back
some years following the teachings of this Pastor Arnold Murray,
you wouldn't happen to be associated with this "Shepherds
Chapel" denomination would you?
God bless us both my friend, I do want to get to know your
thoughts, feelings, and especially your "faith" in Christ, what
your faith is built on?
Mainly; "which Christ?" since I'm sure you agree we have a
plethora of them in Christianity, right? It would be a terrible
waste to build our 'house' (faith) on doctrines of men, rather
then the Rock; Jesus Christ as he reveals the Father to us in
the Bible.
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[size=12pt]Dear Arius,
First of, thank you also for the blessings.
While, I have seen some of Pastor Arnold Murray’ Religious TV
Program, I am NOT associated with them whatsoever. In fact, I
believe I had few encounter, disagreement and discussion with
them in the past - in one of the Christian Forums I was a member
of.
Anyway, each Christian or follower of Christ has his own measure
of information. I do not question the work of the Holy Spirit,
for His ways are above my ways. Each us learns what we should
know, as the Holy Spirit leads us.
That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at all the
denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and
see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find
that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice
teaches only part of God's Truth.
Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can
enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the
various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith
alone, no matter the denomination.
God bless
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 30, 2019, 6:40 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3465#msg3465
date=1548573226]
[size=12pt]Dear Arius,
First of, thank you also for the blessings.
While, I have seen some of Pastor Arnold Murray’ Religious TV
Program, I am NOT associated with them whatsoever. In fact, I
believe I had few encounter, disagreement and discussion with
them in the past - in one of the Christian Forums I was a member
of.
Anyway, each Christian or follower of Christ has his own measure
of information. I do not question the work of the Holy Spirit,
for His ways are above my ways. Each us learns what we should
know, as the Holy Spirit leads us.[/quote]
Thank you my friend for your kind response.
I'd like to remind you of 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe
every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God;
because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By
this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses
that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every
spirit that does not confess [a]that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the
Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already
in the world.
But this just refers to one type of false spirit, which the Jews
even till today listen to, but we know there are more, correct?
Like this one who actually acknowledged that Jesus was the son
of God here on earth in the flesh:
Mathew 8:28 When He had come to the other side, to the country
of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming
out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass
that way. 29 And suddenly they cried out, saying,[b] “What have
we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to
torment us before the time?”
So we see that not every spirit that confesses Jesus is the son
of God in the flesh is of God, and there are millions of men and
women that confess him, yet we know they don't follow Jesus, but
Lucifer the devil instead.
[quote]That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at
all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big
Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you
will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each
slice teaches only part of God's Truth.[/quote]
Yes, Christianity is a Big Pie, but I would not go far as saying
they collectively reveal the whole truth. Actually I would say
they are all defending the Christian truth, which is far from
Gods Truth.
Mathew 12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This
fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler
of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every
kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and
every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If
Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then
will his kingdom stand?
So you see that all Christian denominations are really one, how
else would of Christianity stand for 1,700 years. Many tens of
thousands of denominations with one mind, in the name of one
Religion; "Christianity" protecting and teaching the one main
man made doctrine which is the plural-gods doctrine, or that God
is more than one.
[quote]Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge,
can enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the
various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith
alone, no matter the denomination.
God bless
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Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the
evidence of things not seen.
You see, what you said was Christian doctrine, it is just one of
the many false teachings that make up the Pie.
Faith without evidence with substance is "blind faith", which is
actually one of the first rules to become, and remain a
Christian.
I was excommunicated for "questioning the tenets of my Christian
Religion", the Elders told me this shown a great lack of faith
and trust in the CHURCH of Christ which they assumed was
Christianity, and of course; in Gods chosen Servants, the
Ministers and Elders (please note the emphasis).
We can't make up things that are not Scriptural, or that can not
be backed up by Scripture like the plurality of God, or that God
created us in an unmentioned realm, or pre-creation.
We are to examine all thing, so I consider every idea, and then
look for that "evidence with substance" in Scripture to justify
it. I pray you will look into what I told you, and if you find
something unscriptural, by all means show me.
I would like to say this, that listening to, and then
investigating the Flat Earth theory (which is actually fact) is
the best thing I have done in my walk with Christ. It reveal
many conspiracies that leads right to the invention of the
Christian Religion, and the real truth as to how and why it was
created.
It blew my mind, especially realizing how long this been going
on without me ever even looking into it deeper. That part is
frightening, because the whole world is following "Pan" the pied
Piper.
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God bless you my friend!
Seeking;
Evidence
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