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       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest8 Date: January 20, 2019, 6:34 pm
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       [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
       date=1547972171]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
       date=1538976335]
       [shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
       *Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus
       tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
       killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
       descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
       *We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
       *After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the
       world was very significant as there were people throughout the
       region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
       
       (1) Cain was afraid others would kill Him.
       
       (2) He took a wife from the land of NOD East of EDEN.
       To produce a substantial population that would allow this number
       of population in other parts of the world (NOD) in only 130
       years;  the first Reproductive cycle of Eve could not have been
       missed. The first child of Adam and Eve (Cain) had to be close
       to the Fall as there was no birth's during their time in Eden.
       After Adam and Eve were created, God told them to go forth and
       multiply. (Gen 1:28). Since their bodies would have been perfect
       condition and they would have "in tune" with each other, Eve
       would have been able to conceive within the first reproductive
       cycle.
       Keep in mind, there was NO conception prior to the fall as we
       are told in Gen 4:1 (after the Fall)  Eve conceived Cain.
       IF we consider the Female reproductive cycle was the same in
       Eden as it is now and has been for centuries after the fall, it
       would place her first cycle beginning within two weeks to a
       month after her creation.
       IF we consider that the Beginning of Creation started on Tishrei
       1 ( the Jewish New Year) and (3),
       IF the "Wedding Chamber" (a type of the ancient Jewish Wedding
       ceremony)  leaves the groom and bride in the wedding chamber for
       seven days; They (the Groom and Bride) were left alone for those
       seven days. This seven days takes us through the 13th day and
       God would have talked to them on the 14th day since creation.(4)
       Then GOD gave Adam and Eve sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21) on
       the 14th day. A future Day (the 14th day of the FIRST month)
       that will become passover, sacrifice of the Lamb.(5)
       This same 14th day God removed them from Eden. The days Adam and
       Eve were in Eden in my opinion would have be eight days at the
       most. The seventh day of Creation was for rest. The Wedding
       Chamber typology (6) would have been started on the first day of
       the week or Saturday evening ending on Saturday evening. God
       would have talked with them on the first day of the week 14th
       day since the beginning of creation, Sunday.
       Blade
       [/shadow]
       (1) Truth: in defense of the PRe-Trib Rapture, page 98
       (2) Genesis 5:3
       (3) Koinonia House, "The Feast of Trumpets"
       (4) Koinonia House, "The Wedding Model".
       (5) Lev 23:5
       (6)  (Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the
       huppah[/quote]
       Wow, neat analysis, love you guys here.
       How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden, before and after they
       sinned, and their days numbered?
       Well we know how long they stayed after they sinned, for that
       very day God kicked them out to the surrounding area of Eden. So
       let's see how long Adam, then Adam and Eve were in the garden
       before they sinned?
       God created Adam first,
       Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth
       when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the
       earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in
       the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the
       Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was
       no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth
       and watered the whole face of the ground.
       7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
       breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
       living being.
       Life in God’s Garden
       8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He
       put the man whom He had formed.
       We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
       love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
       garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
       trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
       without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
       and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
       Adams life, so:
       .. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be
       alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
       19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the
       field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see
       what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living
       creature, that was its name.
       It must have taken Adam a long time to name all the animals,
       millions of species, but what is "time" when you live in
       eternity? Adam never aged through all this, it is not mentioned
       how old he was when he started naming the animals, nor how long
       it took him, (like with Noah, it documents everything.) So we
       can safely assume that Adam was in the Garden for many more
       years now with pets around!
       20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air,
       and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not
       found a helper comparable to him.
       He must have enjoyed meeting all the animals God created just
       for him, to keep him company, and I'm sure he was surrounded by
       pets. A Lyon here, an Elephant there, a few monkeys to make him
       laugh, some parrots who he could teach to talk, beautiful
       pheasants etc.  but again, this is in eternity, no time is
       counted in eternity, the sun comes up, and the sun sets, day
       after day and Adam does not age.
       Whatever age God created Adam at (I doubt God created him as a
       baby) Adam stayed that same age for many, many years, decades,
       centuries, even millennia, it does not say, but he must have
       been busy all the time, and now that he had all the animals,
       millions of them to keep him company, it must have taken a long
       time for him to get bored of them all, I know I could easily
       live a few todays lifetimes before I get bored of millions of
       exotic, funny, interesting pets, while I do my gardening, and
       I'm sure many here would agree!? Matter of fact, there was a
       survey of men and women who were asked the question: If you were
       stranded on an island, and if you had a choice, who would you
       choose to be stranded with, .. your favorite pet, or your
       husband/wife" An amazingly higher percentage chose the pet. But
       I doubt these were Believers? lol
       and so we read that once again God noticed: "But for Adam there
       was not found a helper comparable to him." That he eventually
       got tired of changing pets, having from a few hundred at a time
       to just a few he really liked (I'm just going by what I would of
       done not knowing anything else, because there were no other
       humans around. I know I could live for many years, even
       lifetimes if I could have any animal I wanted for pets, for
       company. Play with them, run with them, train them etc. and this
       while I was gardening, growing my own food, fruit trees etc. I'm
       just going by what I would of done not knowing any other humans
       existed!?
       Anyways, God seen that once again Adam got bored:
       Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on
       Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up
       the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had
       taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the
       man.
       OK, so we have Adam and Eve now, what did God tell them when He
       created Eve for Adam?
       Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be
       fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have
       dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
       and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
       So what do you think Adam and Eve did the next, .. oh we don't
       know how long because passing of time is not counted in
       eternity, before they sinned, so I would say they did what
       commanded them to do: were fruitful and multiplied.
       We read later on that they had tribes, villages, and maybe even
       cities all around Eden, that's where Cain went. They are the
       ones who he thought would kill him after God put a mark on him!
       There was no need to mention the children in eternity, or in the
       Garden, what is mentioned is the first children Adam and Eve had
       "after the fall", outside the Garden. Eve knew God was angry at
       her, and probably thought God will not bless her with children
       again for who knows how long? God did shut the womb of many
       women throughout Biblical history.
       Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become
       like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out
       his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live
       forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden
       of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He
       drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the
       garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to
       guard the way to the tree of life.
       Genesis 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and
       bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.” 2
       Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel.
       Here is when genealogy started, not in the Garden in eternity,
       but when genealogy mattered, when man was dying a little bit
       more every day, and they knew that just as God promised, that:
       "this day (Gods Day within 1,000 years) you will die!" This was
       the beginning of the plan that was made before the creation of
       the world, to save mankind, so this is where history began, not
       in eternity in the Garden.
       Where did Cain go?
       Genesis 4:The Family of Cain
       16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in
       the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife,
       and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and
       called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.
       Here we can understand that; by the time they were kicked out of
       the Garden, there were cities, nations, like "the Land of Nod"
       mentioned here! Remember God told them to "multiply and fill the
       earth" and not fill just a small garden. They always had access
       to the whole world, only the true beauty was the Garden in Eden
       where the children could come and visit their parents and talk
       with God when He came to visit them in the cool of the day.
       Of course this is how the Lord gave me understanding of it, and
       I am open to your, and everyone here suggestion. We have to
       stick to the Bible, and not to other books like the "Book of
       Enoch". There may have been a "Book of Enoch", but it is
       definitely not the one being passed around today. But that's
       another topic.
       God bless you all.
       [/quote]
       [shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
       I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
       Christ and His Gospel!
       I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned.    The
       references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
       ignored it.?
       Blade[/shadow]
       #Post#: 3306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest43 Date: January 21, 2019, 1:56 am
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       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg3300#msg3300
       date=1548030883]
       [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
       date=1547972171]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
       date=1538976335]
       [shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
       *Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus
       tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
       killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
       descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
       [shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
       I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
       Christ and His Gospel!
       I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned.    The
       references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
       ignored it.?
       Blade[/shadow]
       [/quote]
       Greetings Blade!
       Sorry, .. I thought I was replying to an OP: "How long were Adam
       and Eve in Eden?"
       I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me
       to understand.
       I was not debating others versions, but adding in mine, or how I
       understand it.
       You don't agree? If you or anyone here think I misquoted
       something from the Bible, by all means I would love to hear it!
       I have heard about a dozen or more different versions on this
       topic, so I put mine in.
       So tell me, where is Jesus Christ Gospel different than what I
       quoted and interpreted? I am really, truly interested to know!?
       God bless you all.
       #Post#: 3310--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest8 Date: January 21, 2019, 9:23 am
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       [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3306#msg3306
       date=1548057411]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg3300#msg3300
       date=1548030883]
       [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
       date=1547972171]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
       date=1538976335]
       [shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
       *Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning.  This is what Jesus
       tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
       killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
       descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
       [shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
       I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
       Christ and His Gospel!
       I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned.    The
       references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
       ignored it.?
       Blade[/shadow]
       [/quote]
       Greetings Blade!
       Sorry, .. I thought I was replying to an OP: "How long were Adam
       and Eve in Eden?"
       I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me
       to understand.
       I was not debating others versions, but adding in mine, or how I
       understand it.
       You don't agree? If you or anyone here think I misquoted
       something from the Bible, by all means I would love to hear it!
       I have heard about a dozen or more different versions on this
       topic, so I put mine in.
       So tell me, where is Jesus Christ Gospel different than what I
       quoted and interpreted? I am really, truly interested to know!?
       God bless you all.
       [/quote]
       [shadow=blue,left]I don't believe I said anything about your
       opinion was wrong???????
       However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a problem
       because you are preaching a false doctrine. example below.
       The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
       06:34:43 pm
       You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
       there He put the man whom He had formed.
       We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
       love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
       garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
       trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years!But yes,
       without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
       and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
       Adams life, so:"
       Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
       God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
       let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
       fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
       and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
       [color=black]v27..So God created man in his own image, in the
       image of God created he him; male and female created he
       them."[/color]
       They were created on the same day, a 24 hour day!..YET....
       You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
       given to me to understand."
       You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no more than
       a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the KJV.
       You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man
       should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” ":
       This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days of
       creation.
       Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
       impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
       made.
       Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add, delete,
       change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is going to
       happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and HIS
       WORD?????
       He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
       JOHN 1:1..
       Have a good day.
       Blade[/shadow]
       #Post#: 3350--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest43 Date: January 23, 2019, 12:33 am
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       [quote]I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was
       wrong?[/quote]
       Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of
       sounds derogatory, so I asked?
       [quote]However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a
       problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example
       below.
       The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
       06:34:43 pm
       You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
       there He put the man whom He had formed.
       We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
       love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
       garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
       trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
       without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
       and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
       Adams life, so:"
       Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
       God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
       let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
       fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
       and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
       v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
       created he him; male and female created he them."[/b][/quote]
       Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless
       you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is
       another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was
       formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of
       Christians who believe that.
       Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is
       a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological
       order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve
       from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt.
       Please look:
       Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
       ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
       man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden
       eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
       God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten
       in the Garden.
       
       Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the
       garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
       16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of
       the garden thou mayest freely eat:
       17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
       not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou
       shalt surely die.
       18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
       alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
       God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of
       good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From
       Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a
       normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same
       command?
       [quote]They were created on the same day, a 24 hour
       day!..YET....
       You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
       given to me to understand."[/quote]
       No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by
       some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the
       minutes and hours in the first three days?
       It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.
       [quote]You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no
       more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the
       KJV.[/quote]
       I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what
       is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy
       Spirit.
       Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any
       other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day,
       same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon
       were even created.
       [quote]You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good
       that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to
       him.” ":  This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days
       of creation.
       Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
       impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
       made.[/quote]
       I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind
       before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in
       Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.
       And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that
       Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years
       difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand
       years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a
       thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not
       slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to
       understand that.
       [quote]Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add,
       delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is
       going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and
       HIS WORD??[/quote]
       Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to
       myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".
       [quote]He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
       JOHN 1:1..
       Have a good day.
       Blade[/quote]
       You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John
       1:1 or anywhere?
       John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word
       God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
       His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End'
       since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the
       one God created all things through, and without him nothing was
       created that was created.
       .. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
       You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from
       Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the
       only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the
       "image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him,
       just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not
       add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the
       son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam,
       even though she was taken out of him.
       2 The same was in the beginning with God.
       3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
       made that was made.
       That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning
       "with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God",
       right?
       God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.
       #Post#: 3370--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest8 Date: January 23, 2019, 7:02 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3350#msg3350
       date=1548225231]
       [quote]I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was
       wrong?[/quote]
       Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of
       sounds derogatory, so I asked?
       [quote]However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a
       problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example
       below.
       The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
       06:34:43 pm
       You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
       there He put the man whom He had formed.
       We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
       love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
       garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
       trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
       without  wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
       and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
       Adams life, so:"
       Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
       God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
       let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
       fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
       and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
       v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
       created he him; male and female created he them."[/b][/quote]
       Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless
       you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is
       another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was
       formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of
       Christians who believe that.
       Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is
       a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological
       order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve
       from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt.
       Please look:
       Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
       ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
       man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden
       eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
       God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten
       in the Garden.
       
       Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the
       garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
       16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of
       the garden thou mayest freely eat:
       17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
       not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou
       shalt surely die.
       18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
       alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
       God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of
       good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From
       Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a
       normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same
       command?
       [quote]They were created on the same day, a 24 hour
       day!..YET....
       You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
       given to me to understand."[/quote]
       No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by
       some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the
       minutes and hours in the first three days?
       It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.
       [quote]You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no
       more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the
       KJV.[/quote]
       I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what
       is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy
       Spirit.
       Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any
       other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day,
       same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon
       were even created.
       [quote]You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good
       that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to
       him.” ":  This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days
       of creation.
       Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
       impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
       made.[/quote]
       I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind
       before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in
       Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.
       And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that
       Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years
       difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand
       years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a
       thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not
       slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to
       understand that.
       [quote]Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add,
       delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is
       going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and
       HIS WORD??[/quote]
       Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to
       myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".
       [quote]He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
       JOHN 1:1..
       Have a good day.
       Blade[/quote]
       You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John
       1:1 or anywhere?
       John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word
       God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
       His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End'
       since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the
       one God created all things through, and without him nothing was
       created that was created.
       .. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
       You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from
       Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the
       only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the
       "image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him,
       just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not
       add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the
       son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam,
       even though she was taken out of him.
       2 The same was in the beginning with God.
       3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
       made that was made.
       That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning
       "with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God",
       right?
       God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.
       [/quote]
       [shadow=blue,left]you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a
       Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did:
       "follower of the Way"."
       Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ.  Jesus tells us that He
       has not lost anyone this father gave to him???   SOoooooooo. You
       were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.
       I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???
       Blade[/shadow]
       #Post#: 3378--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest43 Date: January 24, 2019, 12:42 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote][member=8]Bladerunner[/member]
       you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but
       refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the
       Way"."
       Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ.  Jesus tells us that He
       has not lost anyone this father gave to him???   SOoooooooo. You
       were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.
       I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???
       Blade[/quote]
       Our Heavenly Father never gave Jesus any "Christians" my friend,
       and you will NEVER find that in the Bible. And you know what,
       looking back in my life, I guess I never was a "true" Christian.
       I always felt Christianity was a very hypocritical Religion, and
       many of their members often possessed by demons. Jesus taught
       his disciples to cast out demons from those who were of the
       world, NOT from those who are supposed to be In Christ already?
       Yet these Christians, even the Priests, and nuns like that
       Mother Teresa were always attacked, and possessed by demons!?
       How is that possible if they were "in Christ"?
       That my friend would be "Impossible"! To be tempted is one
       thing, but full possession, never. Or they were Not true
       disciples of Jesus.
       So here were these Christians preaching Christ from the Bible,
       yet denying him in every way by both faith (making him a
       sun-god) and in deeds.
       I lived this lie for 30 years, until the Lord opened my eyes to
       what this word Christian, really meant?
       I'm sure you agree that in order to be a Christian, one must
       hold on to the Trinity Doctrine, .. correct?
       Where do you find this; "Trinity Doctrine"?
       Is it in the Bible?
       No, it is in the Nicene Creed, made by the gentile, many-gods
       worshipping Emperor Constantine and his pagan Catholic Church,
       and enforced throughout the centuries by the bloodthirsty,
       heartless Jesuits, leaving the streets of one European country
       after another flowing with the blood of the true saints, or who
       referred to themselves simply as: "followers of the Way" because
       they would not accept this Christian name, with their many, or
       plural gods, and idols of gods.
       No name, no Religion, just "followers of Jesus Christ" Men and
       women without a country, for they waited for their eternal home
       with God, and not join in any organized Religion, or fight in
       wars against their fellow man whom they were hoping to save, not
       kill. As disciples of Christ, our duty is to turn my fellow man,
       even my enemies to Christ, and instead, the Christian Leaders
       asked to kill them for some Emperor and his lust for conquest,
       and fame.
       We have a King who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. When
       he was accused of claiming equality with God, he made it clear
       he was the son of God; "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written
       in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? If He called them gods,
       to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be
       broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
       into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the
       Son of God’?
       John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not
       believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear
       witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of
       My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I
       know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life,
       and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them
       out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is
       greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My
       Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
       Renewed Efforts to Stone Jesus
       31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus
       answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father.
       For which of those works do you stone Me?”
       33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not
       stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make
       Yourself God.”
       34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said,
       “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of
       God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of
       Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are
       blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do
       not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I
       do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you
       may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39
       Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of
       their hand.
       The above verses are clear, that since we were created in Gods
       image, we are little gods, but Jesus, who is above all, and is
       the First of all Gods creations, he, the Alpha and Omega refused
       to even claim that, but made it perfectly clear that he came as
       a servant, the Messiah who brings the knowledge to those who
       seek the truth, and reveal to them God, the Infinite and Eternal
       Creator of all.
       We can still be Brothers in Christ, but you must reject the
       plural gods worship and leave your Christian Religion, repent
       and turn to our Lord Jesus Christ. Not some RCC created sun god,
       or the plural gods, which there is one mentioned in the Bible,
       his name was Legion! One that was many, remember?
       I know that's asking too much, but remember that with God, all
       things are possible.
       God already gave you His Word the Bible, now all you have to do,
       all anyone has to do is "deny oneself and his assciation with
       this world, and repent, meaning understand/believe, then confess
       that "There is but One God, and one Savior Jesus Christ, who is
       the son of God Word."
       Not the sun-god of the Christian religion. Especially claiming,
       then teaching others that God died!
       God bless you my friend, and you are in my prayers as is
       everyone here.
       #Post#: 3381--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: Seve Date: January 24, 2019, 7:37 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject
       matter:
       In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image
       and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)-
       both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked-
       out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel;
       (Gen. 5:1-3)
       The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after
       men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’
       generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first
       couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
       Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2
       but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the
       Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges)
       "creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling
       us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of
       God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their
       physical formation by Jesus.
       IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and
       sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy,
       redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,
       1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
       a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
       Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
       natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
       Our God is an awesome God.
       #Post#: 3384--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest8 Date: January 24, 2019, 8:44 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3381#msg3381
       date=1548337051]
       If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject
       matter:
       In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image
       and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)-
       both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked-
       out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel;
       (Gen. 5:1-3)
       The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after
       men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’
       generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first
       couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
       Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2
       but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the
       Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges)
       "creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling
       us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of
       God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their
       physical formation by Jesus.
       IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and
       sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy,
       redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,
       1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
       a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
       Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
       natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
       Our God is an awesome God.
       [/quote]
       [shadow=blue,left]Good morning Seve,   You said: " both A&E have
       already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the
       garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)"
       There is a lot of time between (Gen 1:26-27) & (Gen 5:1-3) and I
       agree with you...
       you said: "The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place
       only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during
       Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the
       first couple to be redeemed by the Lord."
       This is not what GOD's WORD says.....Gen 1:26-27.."And God said,
       Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them
       have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
       air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
       creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. vs 27. So God
       created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
       him; male and female created he them."
       Notice this was all done in the sixth day , (a 24 Hour Day).
       You said: "Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in
       Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of
       the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. "
       Jesus is the Lord thy GOD. It does not matter what term use
       unless you are referring individuals in the Trinity. God (the
       Father),Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit. Here you are trying
       to place Jesus as a non GOD.
       You Said: "1 Cor 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam
       was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening
       spirit."
       1 Cor 15:45...tells us that Man, a living soul (You and I) are
       of the ground (dust). The Second Adam (Jesus), returns to Heaven
       in spirit form.
       You said: 1 Cor 15:46...".v46  "Howbeit that was not first which
       is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that
       which is spiritual."
       Here, we are told that the first Adam was NOT in a spiritual
       body but rather Natural (fleshly). The second Adam (Jesus) is of
       Spiritual Form)
       Blade
       [/shadow]
       #Post#: 3389--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: Seve Date: January 24, 2019, 9:31 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Dear Blade,
       Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the
       Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible
       refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to
       the events of God's 6 Creative Days. [b]That's why we are taken
       back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details
       to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and
       in detail.[/b]
       What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000
       years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are
       still Future.
       IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1
       and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the
       events of Genesis 1.
       Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God,
       and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10
       [color=red]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
       ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
       counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/color]
       Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be
       created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day
       becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in
       the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day
       together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3  during Seth's
       generation.
       Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the
       beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God.
       That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make
       sense.
       1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
       a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
       Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
       natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
       Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are
       using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However,
       just so you know,  I am using the original English translation
       of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.
       Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ
       but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening
       spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.
       God bless
       #Post#: 3399--------------------------------------------------
       Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
       By: guest8 Date: January 24, 2019, 4:29 pm
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       [quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3389#msg3389
       date=1548343877]
       Dear Blade,
       Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the
       Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible
       refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to
       the events of God's 6 Creative Days. [b]That's why we are taken
       back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details
       to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and
       in detail.[/b]
       What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000
       years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are
       still Future.
       IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1
       and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the
       events of Genesis 1.
       Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God,
       and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10
       [color=red]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
       ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
       counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/color]
       Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be
       created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day
       becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in
       the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day
       together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3  during Seth's
       generation.
       Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the
       beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God.
       That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make
       sense.
       1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
       a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
       Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
       natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
       Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are
       using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However,
       just so you know,  I am using the original English translation
       of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.
       Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ
       but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening
       spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.
       [/quote]
       *********
       [shadow=Blue,left]In reality Seve, Gen 1 is a Prologue with
       Chapter two and three giving us the nuts and bolts of creation.
       Creation did happen and it did happen in 6 24 hour days.
       Having said that, one might consider the 6th day you say we are
       in now is a dispensation period. If this is the case, I
       personally believe we are in the 5th day. Why would I say this.
       According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of
       humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a
       fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be
       restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden
       during the Millennium.  Thus the sixth day.
       The seventh day, the Lord rested. After the 1,000 years of
       Jesus' reign on earth, those who still await judgement will be
       judged, a NEW earth will be populated by those who live through
       the millennium and the New Jerusalem will arrive in the sky
       (does not say it ever lands). In the sky, the New Jerusalem can
       be seen from everywhere on earth (i.e. Flat Earth).
       After the judgements, the creation of a New Earth, GOD will rest
       for an eternity at the 7,000 year mark.
       Yes, 7 days of creation is followed by 7,000 years  There will
       be (I believe) seven dispensation periods from the beginning to
       eternity.  My vision of the dispensations are as follows,.
       1. Creation (Gen 1 -3)
       2. Post Creation-Post Flood  (Gen 4 - Gen 10)
       3. Post Flood - Pre-Law of Moses   (Gen 11- Exo - 20
       4. Th Law of Moses    (Exo 20 - Mat 3)
       5. The Period of Grace (days of John the Baptist, 1900+ years)
       (Mat 27 - Harpazo, Rapture of the Church (Body of Jesus
       Christ)
       6. Post Grace Period - Pre-White Throne Judgment Period
       7. Post New Earth/Jerusalem Creation to Eternity
       (NOTE: the above dispensation periods are subjective and do not
       represent a hard core dogma of the author.)
       ********
       You said:  "Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar
       from the beginning - "
       Are you speaking of Cain's life here?? He was not present at the
       Beginning of all things.
       Satan on the other hand was present and showed himself in Eden
       to be a murderer from the beginning. For he Murdered all of US.
       UP until this time, Man was not slated to die, but after the
       fall, the judgement of death was placed on mankind. Yes, Satan
       did that.
       *********
       You said:  "I am using the original English translation of the
       Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version."
       Your Bible is not the Authorized 1611 King James Verson which
       you are trying to portray. I use the present Authorized version
       of the KJV (from the 1611 Bible)
       ************
       you said: "Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord
       Jesus Christ but Adam himself, since,  Jesus is the
       [color=red]SOURCE of the quickening spirit and Jesus is the
       ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none."[/color]
       I see you do not understand how the Bible is written!
       Have a good day
       Blade[/shadow]
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