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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 20, 2019, 6:34 pm
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
date=1547972171]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]
[shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the
world was very significant as there were people throughout the
region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
(1) Cain was afraid others would kill Him.
(2) He took a wife from the land of NOD East of EDEN.
To produce a substantial population that would allow this number
of population in other parts of the world (NOD) in only 130
years; the first Reproductive cycle of Eve could not have been
missed. The first child of Adam and Eve (Cain) had to be close
to the Fall as there was no birth's during their time in Eden.
After Adam and Eve were created, God told them to go forth and
multiply. (Gen 1:28). Since their bodies would have been perfect
condition and they would have "in tune" with each other, Eve
would have been able to conceive within the first reproductive
cycle.
Keep in mind, there was NO conception prior to the fall as we
are told in Gen 4:1 (after the Fall) Eve conceived Cain.
IF we consider the Female reproductive cycle was the same in
Eden as it is now and has been for centuries after the fall, it
would place her first cycle beginning within two weeks to a
month after her creation.
IF we consider that the Beginning of Creation started on Tishrei
1 ( the Jewish New Year) and (3),
IF the "Wedding Chamber" (a type of the ancient Jewish Wedding
ceremony) leaves the groom and bride in the wedding chamber for
seven days; They (the Groom and Bride) were left alone for those
seven days. This seven days takes us through the 13th day and
God would have talked to them on the 14th day since creation.(4)
Then GOD gave Adam and Eve sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21) on
the 14th day. A future Day (the 14th day of the FIRST month)
that will become passover, sacrifice of the Lamb.(5)
This same 14th day God removed them from Eden. The days Adam and
Eve were in Eden in my opinion would have be eight days at the
most. The seventh day of Creation was for rest. The Wedding
Chamber typology (6) would have been started on the first day of
the week or Saturday evening ending on Saturday evening. God
would have talked with them on the first day of the week 14th
day since the beginning of creation, Sunday.
Blade
[/shadow]
(1) Truth: in defense of the PRe-Trib Rapture, page 98
(2) Genesis 5:3
(3) Koinonia House, "The Feast of Trumpets"
(4) Koinonia House, "The Wedding Model".
(5) Lev 23:5
(6) (Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the
huppah[/quote]
Wow, neat analysis, love you guys here.
How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden, before and after they
sinned, and their days numbered?
Well we know how long they stayed after they sinned, for that
very day God kicked them out to the surrounding area of Eden. So
let's see how long Adam, then Adam and Eve were in the garden
before they sinned?
God created Adam first,
Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth
when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the
earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in
the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the
Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was
no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth
and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living being.
Life in God’s Garden
8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He
put the man whom He had formed.
We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
without wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
Adams life, so:
.. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be
alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the
field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see
what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living
creature, that was its name.
It must have taken Adam a long time to name all the animals,
millions of species, but what is "time" when you live in
eternity? Adam never aged through all this, it is not mentioned
how old he was when he started naming the animals, nor how long
it took him, (like with Noah, it documents everything.) So we
can safely assume that Adam was in the Garden for many more
years now with pets around!
20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air,
and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not
found a helper comparable to him.
He must have enjoyed meeting all the animals God created just
for him, to keep him company, and I'm sure he was surrounded by
pets. A Lyon here, an Elephant there, a few monkeys to make him
laugh, some parrots who he could teach to talk, beautiful
pheasants etc. but again, this is in eternity, no time is
counted in eternity, the sun comes up, and the sun sets, day
after day and Adam does not age.
Whatever age God created Adam at (I doubt God created him as a
baby) Adam stayed that same age for many, many years, decades,
centuries, even millennia, it does not say, but he must have
been busy all the time, and now that he had all the animals,
millions of them to keep him company, it must have taken a long
time for him to get bored of them all, I know I could easily
live a few todays lifetimes before I get bored of millions of
exotic, funny, interesting pets, while I do my gardening, and
I'm sure many here would agree!? Matter of fact, there was a
survey of men and women who were asked the question: If you were
stranded on an island, and if you had a choice, who would you
choose to be stranded with, .. your favorite pet, or your
husband/wife" An amazingly higher percentage chose the pet. But
I doubt these were Believers? lol
and so we read that once again God noticed: "But for Adam there
was not found a helper comparable to him." That he eventually
got tired of changing pets, having from a few hundred at a time
to just a few he really liked (I'm just going by what I would of
done not knowing anything else, because there were no other
humans around. I know I could live for many years, even
lifetimes if I could have any animal I wanted for pets, for
company. Play with them, run with them, train them etc. and this
while I was gardening, growing my own food, fruit trees etc. I'm
just going by what I would of done not knowing any other humans
existed!?
Anyways, God seen that once again Adam got bored:
Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on
Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up
the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had
taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the
man.
OK, so we have Adam and Eve now, what did God tell them when He
created Eve for Adam?
Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be
fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have
dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
So what do you think Adam and Eve did the next, .. oh we don't
know how long because passing of time is not counted in
eternity, before they sinned, so I would say they did what
commanded them to do: were fruitful and multiplied.
We read later on that they had tribes, villages, and maybe even
cities all around Eden, that's where Cain went. They are the
ones who he thought would kill him after God put a mark on him!
There was no need to mention the children in eternity, or in the
Garden, what is mentioned is the first children Adam and Eve had
"after the fall", outside the Garden. Eve knew God was angry at
her, and probably thought God will not bless her with children
again for who knows how long? God did shut the womb of many
women throughout Biblical history.
Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become
like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out
his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live
forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden
of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He
drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the
garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to
guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and
bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.” 2
Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel.
Here is when genealogy started, not in the Garden in eternity,
but when genealogy mattered, when man was dying a little bit
more every day, and they knew that just as God promised, that:
"this day (Gods Day within 1,000 years) you will die!" This was
the beginning of the plan that was made before the creation of
the world, to save mankind, so this is where history began, not
in eternity in the Garden.
Where did Cain go?
Genesis 4:The Family of Cain
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in
the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife,
and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and
called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.
Here we can understand that; by the time they were kicked out of
the Garden, there were cities, nations, like "the Land of Nod"
mentioned here! Remember God told them to "multiply and fill the
earth" and not fill just a small garden. They always had access
to the whole world, only the true beauty was the Garden in Eden
where the children could come and visit their parents and talk
with God when He came to visit them in the cool of the day.
Of course this is how the Lord gave me understanding of it, and
I am open to your, and everyone here suggestion. We have to
stick to the Bible, and not to other books like the "Book of
Enoch". There may have been a "Book of Enoch", but it is
definitely not the one being passed around today. But that's
another topic.
God bless you all.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
Christ and His Gospel!
I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned. The
references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
ignored it.?
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 21, 2019, 1:56 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg3300#msg3300
date=1548030883]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
date=1547972171]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]
[shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
[shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
Christ and His Gospel!
I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned. The
references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
ignored it.?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Greetings Blade!
Sorry, .. I thought I was replying to an OP: "How long were Adam
and Eve in Eden?"
I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me
to understand.
I was not debating others versions, but adding in mine, or how I
understand it.
You don't agree? If you or anyone here think I misquoted
something from the Bible, by all means I would love to hear it!
I have heard about a dozen or more different versions on this
topic, so I put mine in.
So tell me, where is Jesus Christ Gospel different than what I
quoted and interpreted? I am really, truly interested to know!?
God bless you all.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 21, 2019, 9:23 am
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3306#msg3306
date=1548057411]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg3300#msg3300
date=1548030883]
[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3294#msg3294
date=1547972171]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]
[shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
[shadow=blue,left]I am glad your GOD's right hand man!!!!!
I guessm, the rest of us will just have to make do with Jesus
Christ and His Gospel!
I don't think the Book of Enoch was even mentioned. The
references were list below the article... DOn't tell me you
ignored it.?
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
Greetings Blade!
Sorry, .. I thought I was replying to an OP: "How long were Adam
and Eve in Eden?"
I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was given to me
to understand.
I was not debating others versions, but adding in mine, or how I
understand it.
You don't agree? If you or anyone here think I misquoted
something from the Bible, by all means I would love to hear it!
I have heard about a dozen or more different versions on this
topic, so I put mine in.
So tell me, where is Jesus Christ Gospel different than what I
quoted and interpreted? I am really, truly interested to know!?
God bless you all.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I don't believe I said anything about your
opinion was wrong???????
However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a problem
because you are preaching a false doctrine. example below.
The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
06:34:43 pm
You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
there He put the man whom He had formed.
We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years!But yes,
without wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
Adams life, so:"
Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[color=black]v27..So God created man in his own image, in the
image of God created he him; male and female created he
them."[/color]
They were created on the same day, a 24 hour day!..YET....
You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
given to me to understand."
You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no more than
a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the KJV.
You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man
should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” ":
This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days of
creation.
Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
made.
Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add, delete,
change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is going to
happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and HIS
WORD?????
He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
JOHN 1:1..
Have a good day.
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 23, 2019, 12:33 am
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[quote]I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was
wrong?[/quote]
Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of
sounds derogatory, so I asked?
[quote]However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a
problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example
below.
The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
06:34:43 pm
You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
there He put the man whom He had formed.
We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
without wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
Adams life, so:"
Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them."[/b][/quote]
Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless
you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is
another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was
formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of
Christians who believe that.
Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is
a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological
order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve
from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt.
Please look:
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden
eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten
in the Garden.
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the
garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of
the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou
shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From
Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a
normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same
command?
[quote]They were created on the same day, a 24 hour
day!..YET....
You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
given to me to understand."[/quote]
No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by
some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the
minutes and hours in the first three days?
It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.
[quote]You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no
more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the
KJV.[/quote]
I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what
is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy
Spirit.
Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any
other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day,
same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon
were even created.
[quote]You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good
that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to
him.” ": This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days
of creation.
Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
made.[/quote]
I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind
before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in
Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.
And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that
Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years
difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand
years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a
thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not
slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to
understand that.
[quote]Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add,
delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is
going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and
HIS WORD??[/quote]
Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to
myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".
[quote]He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
JOHN 1:1..
Have a good day.
Blade[/quote]
You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John
1:1 or anywhere?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word
God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End'
since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the
one God created all things through, and without him nothing was
created that was created.
.. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from
Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the
only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the
"image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him,
just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not
add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the
son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam,
even though she was taken out of him.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning
"with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God",
right?
God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 23, 2019, 7:02 pm
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[quote author=Arius link=topic=171.msg3350#msg3350
date=1548225231]
[quote]I don't believe I said anything about your opinion was
wrong?[/quote]
Not in those words, but calling me Gods Right Hand man kind of
sounds derogatory, so I asked?
[quote]However, when you delete, add to the scripture, I have a
problem because you are preaching a false doctrine. example
below.
The reply to a post I made on « on: January 20, 2019,
06:34:43 pm
You said. "The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and
there He put the man whom He had formed.
We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
without wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
Adams life, so:"
Now what part of the BIBLE did you not read? GEN 1:26-27 "And
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
v27..So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them."[/b][/quote]
Read it again, and you will see God created Adam first, unless
you are one of those who thinks Genesis chapter 2 "man" is
another Adam from Genesis chapter one, except this one was
formed from the dust of the ground? Because there are a lot of
Christians who believe that.
Chapter 1:26-27 is a brief overall description, and Chapter 2 is
a detailed description how it all happened, a chronological
order if you will.. Adam first, then the animals, and then Eve
from Adams rib, not another female/man/human from the dirt.
Please look:
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden
eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
God put man in the Garden, not man and woman. Woman was begotten
in the Garden.
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the
garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of
the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt
not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou
shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God told man/Adam not to take of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, it doesn't say when or if God told Eve. From
Scripture we find coming down in the cool of the day, was this a
normal thing God did daily and is when instructed woman the same
command?
[quote]They were created on the same day, a 24 hour
day!..YET....
You said:"I used the Bible to give my version, the way it was
given to me to understand."[/quote]
No my friend, if that is what you think that God was going by
some "sun-dial 24 hour day", then explain how he counted the
minutes and hours in the first three days?
It was the fourth day that God created the two great lights.
[quote]You were taught wrong my friend. Adam was not alone no
more than a few hours. See GOD's WORD as it is written in the
KJV.[/quote]
I use multiple English versions, to make sure I understand what
is being said, the truest interpretation come from the Holy
Spirit.
Please show me this "few hours" creating Adam and Eve, or any
other time table other than "Mornings and an evening, first day,
same through the sixth day, .. and this before the sun or moon
were even created.
[quote]You said:".. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good
that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to
him.” ": This is Gen 2:18, not Gen Chapter ONE and the six days
of creation.
Here you conveniently left out the Chapter so as to give the
impression that it was a loooooooooooooong time before Eve was
made.[/quote]
I pray the Lord would give you a calm spirit, and an open mind
before we continue, I want us to be friends, even brothers in
Christ, the last thing I want is animosity between us.
And yes, that is correct, a Long time, it even mentions that
Gods days are not like our days, could be thousand years
difference. Meaning, a project with God could take a thousand
years, while only a day passed for us, .. or what seems a
thousand years for us, seem only a day for Him. God is not
slack, He just doesn't work in our timeline, and He want's us to
understand that.
[quote]Again, be very careful for God tells us not to add,
delete, change His WORD. Rev 22:18-19 and HE tells us what is
going to happen to those that change it. DO you Believe HIM and
HIS WORD??[/quote]
Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but refer to
myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the Way".
[quote]He is very jealous of HIS WORD for His WORD is HE.
JOHN 1:1..
Have a good day.
Blade[/quote]
You said: "for His WORD is HE" ? Where do you see that in John
1:1 or anywhere?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word
God is Infinite and Eternal, He has no beginning, nor end.
His son Word on the other hand "Is the Beginning and the End'
since He was the first being God created. The son Word is the
one God created all things through, and without him nothing was
created that was created.
.. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You see, the son Word was with God after God beget him from
Himself. The Word is Gods only begotten son, just as Eve is the
only begotten of Adam, because God took her out of Adam. See the
"image" there? So the son Word was God before God beget him,
just as Eve was Adam before God took her out of him. Let's not
add or take away from Gods Word, like Christian do by making the
son Word as God, just so they can kill God. Eve is not Adam,
even though she was taken out of him.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
That's pretty clear to me! The same (Word) was in the beginning
"with God", .. I doubt God would say: "And God was with God",
right?
God bless you my friend Blade, you friend evidence.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a
Christian, but refer to myself as the Early desciples did:
"follower of the Way"."
Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ. Jesus tells us that He
has not lost anyone this father gave to him??? SOoooooooo. You
were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.
I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???
Blade[/shadow]
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 24, 2019, 12:42 am
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[quote][member=8]Bladerunner[/member]
you said:"Oh yes, that's why I am no longer a Christian, but
refer to myself as the Early desciples did: "follower of the
Way"."
Thus we cannot be brothers in Christ. Jesus tells us that He
has not lost anyone this father gave to him??? SOoooooooo. You
were a Christian and Now you are not a Christian.
I guess you were NEVER a TRUE Christian or Jesus is a Liar???
Blade[/quote]
Our Heavenly Father never gave Jesus any "Christians" my friend,
and you will NEVER find that in the Bible. And you know what,
looking back in my life, I guess I never was a "true" Christian.
I always felt Christianity was a very hypocritical Religion, and
many of their members often possessed by demons. Jesus taught
his disciples to cast out demons from those who were of the
world, NOT from those who are supposed to be In Christ already?
Yet these Christians, even the Priests, and nuns like that
Mother Teresa were always attacked, and possessed by demons!?
How is that possible if they were "in Christ"?
That my friend would be "Impossible"! To be tempted is one
thing, but full possession, never. Or they were Not true
disciples of Jesus.
So here were these Christians preaching Christ from the Bible,
yet denying him in every way by both faith (making him a
sun-god) and in deeds.
I lived this lie for 30 years, until the Lord opened my eyes to
what this word Christian, really meant?
I'm sure you agree that in order to be a Christian, one must
hold on to the Trinity Doctrine, .. correct?
Where do you find this; "Trinity Doctrine"?
Is it in the Bible?
No, it is in the Nicene Creed, made by the gentile, many-gods
worshipping Emperor Constantine and his pagan Catholic Church,
and enforced throughout the centuries by the bloodthirsty,
heartless Jesuits, leaving the streets of one European country
after another flowing with the blood of the true saints, or who
referred to themselves simply as: "followers of the Way" because
they would not accept this Christian name, with their many, or
plural gods, and idols of gods.
No name, no Religion, just "followers of Jesus Christ" Men and
women without a country, for they waited for their eternal home
with God, and not join in any organized Religion, or fight in
wars against their fellow man whom they were hoping to save, not
kill. As disciples of Christ, our duty is to turn my fellow man,
even my enemies to Christ, and instead, the Christian Leaders
asked to kill them for some Emperor and his lust for conquest,
and fame.
We have a King who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. When
he was accused of claiming equality with God, he made it clear
he was the son of God; "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written
in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? If He called them gods,
to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be
broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent
into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the
Son of God’?
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not
believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear
witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of
My sheep, [e]as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I
know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life,
and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them
out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is
greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My
Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
Renewed Efforts to Stone Jesus
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus
answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father.
For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not
stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make
Yourself God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said,
“You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of
God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of
Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are
blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do
not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I
do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you
may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39
Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of
their hand.
The above verses are clear, that since we were created in Gods
image, we are little gods, but Jesus, who is above all, and is
the First of all Gods creations, he, the Alpha and Omega refused
to even claim that, but made it perfectly clear that he came as
a servant, the Messiah who brings the knowledge to those who
seek the truth, and reveal to them God, the Infinite and Eternal
Creator of all.
We can still be Brothers in Christ, but you must reject the
plural gods worship and leave your Christian Religion, repent
and turn to our Lord Jesus Christ. Not some RCC created sun god,
or the plural gods, which there is one mentioned in the Bible,
his name was Legion! One that was many, remember?
I know that's asking too much, but remember that with God, all
things are possible.
God already gave you His Word the Bible, now all you have to do,
all anyone has to do is "deny oneself and his assciation with
this world, and repent, meaning understand/believe, then confess
that "There is but One God, and one Savior Jesus Christ, who is
the son of God Word."
Not the sun-god of the Christian religion. Especially claiming,
then teaching others that God died!
God bless you my friend, and you are in my prayers as is
everyone here.
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 24, 2019, 7:37 am
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If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject
matter:
In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image
and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)-
both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked-
out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel;
(Gen. 5:1-3)
The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after
men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’
generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first
couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2
but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the
Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges)
"creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling
us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of
God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their
physical formation by Jesus.
IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and
sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy,
redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our God is an awesome God.
#Post#: 3384--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 24, 2019, 8:44 am
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3381#msg3381
date=1548337051]
If I may: Here’s the way I see it with regards to the subject
matter:
In the Day of the event, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image
and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually (Gen 1:26-27)-
both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; kicked-
out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel;
(Gen. 5:1-3)
The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place only after
men started to call upon the name of the Lord during Seth’
generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the first
couple to be redeemed by the Lord.
Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in Gen 5:1-2
but instead the term God is used. God is the name of the
Trinity, an invisible Spirit. When God (Elohim-The Judges)
"creates", it s ALWAYS an Eternal Creation. Gen 5:1-2 is telling
us WHEN Adam and Eve were Created in the image and likeness of
God.. or born again Spiritually by the Trinity and NOT their
physical formation by Jesus.
IOW, Jesus physically formed A&E becoming a living soul and
sinned... then... God (the Trinity) who's full of mercy,
redeemed them and made them alive forevermore,
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Our God is an awesome God.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Good morning Seve, You said: " both A&E have
already committed their “original sins”; kicked- out of the
garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel; (Gen. 5:1-3)"
There is a lot of time between (Gen 1:26-27) & (Gen 5:1-3) and I
agree with you...
you said: "The actual Creation Event (Gen. 1:26-27) took place
only after men started to call upon the name of the Lord during
Seth’ generations; (Gen 4:26; 5:1-3). Adam and Eve were the
first couple to be redeemed by the Lord."
This is not what GOD's WORD says.....Gen 1:26-27.."And God said,
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. vs 27. So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them."
Notice this was all done in the sixth day , (a 24 Hour Day).
You said: "Notice that Lord God (YHWH/Jesus) is NOT mentioned in
Gen 5:1-2 but instead the term God is used. God is the name of
the Trinity, an invisible Spirit. "
Jesus is the Lord thy GOD. It does not matter what term use
unless you are referring individuals in the Trinity. God (the
Father),Jesus (the Son) and the Holy Spirit. Here you are trying
to place Jesus as a non GOD.
You Said: "1 Cor 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam
was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening
spirit."
1 Cor 15:45...tells us that Man, a living soul (You and I) are
of the ground (dust). The Second Adam (Jesus), returns to Heaven
in spirit form.
You said: 1 Cor 15:46...".v46 "Howbeit that was not first which
is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that
which is spiritual."
Here, we are told that the first Adam was NOT in a spiritual
body but rather Natural (fleshly). The second Adam (Jesus) is of
Spiritual Form)
Blade
[/shadow]
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Seve Date: January 24, 2019, 9:31 am
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Dear Blade,
Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the
Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible
refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to
the events of God's 6 Creative Days. [b]That's why we are taken
back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details
to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and
in detail.[/b]
What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000
years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are
still Future.
IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1
and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the
events of Genesis 1.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God,
and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10
[color=red]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/color]
Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be
created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day
becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in
the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day
together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3 during Seth's
generation.
Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the
beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God.
That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make
sense.
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are
using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However,
just so you know, I am using the original English translation
of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.
Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ
but Adam himself, since, Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening
spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.
God bless
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Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: January 24, 2019, 4:29 pm
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[quote author=Seve link=topic=171.msg3389#msg3389
date=1548343877]
Dear Blade,
Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the
Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible
refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to
the events of God's 6 Creative Days. [b]That's why we are taken
back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details
to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and
in detail.[/b]
What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000
years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are
still Future.
IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1
and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the
events of Genesis 1.
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God,
and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10
[color=red]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/color]
Also, to be created in the image and likeness of God is to be
created spiritually. Adam was physically formed on the 3rd day
becoming a NATURAL LIVING SOUL and was Created spiritually in
the image and likeness of God - who is a Spirit - on the 6th Day
together with Eve at the same time - Gen 5:1-3 during Seth's
generation.
Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar from the
beginning - could NOT have been an image and likeness of God.
That's would be crazy to assume otherwise and will not make
sense.
1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made
a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.v46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is
natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Dear Blade, I am not sure what kind of Bible rendition you are
using but it seems to me it's adulterated. IMHO.... However,
just so you know, I am using the original English translation
of the Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version.
Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord Jesus Christ
but Adam himself, since, Jesus is the SOURCE of the quickening
spirit and Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none.
[/quote]
*********
[shadow=Blue,left]In reality Seve, Gen 1 is a Prologue with
Chapter two and three giving us the nuts and bolts of creation.
Creation did happen and it did happen in 6 24 hour days.
Having said that, one might consider the 6th day you say we are
in now is a dispensation period. If this is the case, I
personally believe we are in the 5th day. Why would I say this.
According to the Bible, when the Rapture happens, a new form of
humanity will be created by the translation of our bodies from a
fleshly form to a heavenly form. During the earth itself will be
restore to (I believe) the original conditions as seen in Eden
during the Millennium. Thus the sixth day.
The seventh day, the Lord rested. After the 1,000 years of
Jesus' reign on earth, those who still await judgement will be
judged, a NEW earth will be populated by those who live through
the millennium and the New Jerusalem will arrive in the sky
(does not say it ever lands). In the sky, the New Jerusalem can
be seen from everywhere on earth (i.e. Flat Earth).
After the judgements, the creation of a New Earth, GOD will rest
for an eternity at the 7,000 year mark.
Yes, 7 days of creation is followed by 7,000 years There will
be (I believe) seven dispensation periods from the beginning to
eternity. My vision of the dispensations are as follows,.
1. Creation (Gen 1 -3)
2. Post Creation-Post Flood (Gen 4 - Gen 10)
3. Post Flood - Pre-Law of Moses (Gen 11- Exo - 20
4. Th Law of Moses (Exo 20 - Mat 3)
5. The Period of Grace (days of John the Baptist, 1900+ years)
(Mat 27 - Harpazo, Rapture of the Church (Body of Jesus
Christ)
6. Post Grace Period - Pre-White Throne Judgment Period
7. Post New Earth/Jerusalem Creation to Eternity
(NOTE: the above dispensation periods are subjective and do not
represent a hard core dogma of the author.)
********
You said: "Most certainly, Cain - who was a murderer and a liar
from the beginning - "
Are you speaking of Cain's life here?? He was not present at the
Beginning of all things.
Satan on the other hand was present and showed himself in Eden
to be a murderer from the beginning. For he Murdered all of US.
UP until this time, Man was not slated to die, but after the
fall, the judgement of death was placed on mankind. Yes, Satan
did that.
*********
You said: "I am using the original English translation of the
Hebrew Scripture - Old English King James Version."
Your Bible is not the Authorized 1611 King James Verson which
you are trying to portray. I use the present Authorized version
of the KJV (from the 1611 Bible)
************
you said: "Anyway, the last Adam could NOT have been our Lord
Jesus Christ but Adam himself, since, Jesus is the
[color=red]SOURCE of the quickening spirit and Jesus is the
ALPHA and OMEGA and second to none."[/color]
I see you do not understand how the Bible is written!
Have a good day
Blade[/shadow]
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