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#Post#: 1507--------------------------------------------------
How long were Adam and Eve in Eden: Comment
By: guest8 Date: October 8, 2018, 12:25 am
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How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the
world was very significant as there were people throughout the
region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
(1) Cain was afraid others would kill Him.
(2) He took a wife from the land of NOD East of EDEN.
To produce a substantial population that would allow this number
of population in other parts of the world (NOD) in only 130
years; the first Reproductive cycle of Eve could not have been
missed. The first child of Adam and Eve (Cain) had to be close
to the Fall as there was no birth's during their time in Eden.
After Adam and Eve were created, God told them to go forth and
multiply. (Gen 1:28). Since their bodies would have been perfect
condition and they would have "in tune" with each other, Eve
would have been able to conceive within the first reproductive
cycle.
Keep in mind, there was NO conception prior to the fall as we
are told in Gen 4:1 (after the Fall) Eve conceived Cain.
IF we consider the Female reproductive cycle was the same in
Eden as it is now and has been for centuries after the fall, it
would place her first cycle beginning within two weeks to a
month after her creation.
IF we consider that the Beginning of Creation started on Tishrei
1 ( the Jewish New Year) and (3),
IF the "Wedding Chamber" (a type of the ancient Jewish Wedding
ceremony) leaves the groom and bride in the wedding chamber for
seven days; They (the Groom and Bride) were left alone for those
seven days. This seven days takes us through the 13th day and
God would have talked to them on the 14th day since creation.(4)
Then GOD gave Adam and Eve sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21) on
the 14th day. A future Day (the 14th day of the FIRST month)
that will become passover, sacrifice of the Lamb.(5)
This same 14th day God removed them from Eden. The days Adam and
Eve were in Eden in my opinion would have be eight days at the
most. The seventh day of Creation was for rest. The Wedding
Chamber typology (6) would have been started on the first day of
the week or Saturday evening ending on Saturday evening. God
would have talked with them on the first day of the week 14th
day since the beginning of creation, Sunday.
Blade
(1) Truth: in defense of the PRe-Trib Rapture, page 98
(2) Genesis 5:3
(3) Koinonia House, "The Feast of Trumpets"
(4) Koinonia House, "The Wedding Model".
(5) Lev 23:5
(6) (Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the huppah
#Post#: 1522--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Theo102 Date: October 8, 2018, 2:10 am
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[quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.[/quote]
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
#Post#: 1527--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest2 Date: October 8, 2018, 2:22 am
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
[quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.[/quote]
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
This is kind of a derail but I will answer.
The doctrine of original sin stands on the same principle as
Levy tithing while still in Abraham's loins.
We sinned while still in Adam's loins.
#Post#: 1536--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: October 8, 2018, 7:20 pm
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1522#msg1522
date=1538982604]
[quote]Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what
Jesus tells us in John 8:14.[/quote]
No, in John 8:44 he calls the devil a murderer, not Satan. Also
the doctrine of original sin fails of the presumption of
innocence.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]OK, is the devil; not Satan, prince of the air
and a bunch of other names for him.
you must be one of those lawyers... There was no presumption of
innocence, they were quilty and GOD judged them.
[/shadow]
Blade
#Post#: 1540--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Theo102 Date: October 8, 2018, 11:58 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1536#msg1536
date=1539044437]
[shadow=blue,left]you must be one of those lawyers... There was
no presumption of innocence, they were quilty and GOD judged
them.
[/shadow]
[/quote]
No, the presumption of innocence is implied by the requirement
for witnesses for crimes worthy of death. You're just repeating
Pauline doctrine.
#Post#: 1582--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: October 12, 2018, 8:21 pm
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1540#msg1540
date=1539061108]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1536#msg1536
date=1539044437]
[shadow=blue,left]you must be one of those lawyers... There was
no presumption of innocence, they were quilty and GOD judged
them.
[/shadow]
[/quote]
No, the presumption of innocence is implied by the requirement
for witnesses for crimes worthy of death. You're just repeating
Pauline doctrine.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]God had two witnesses. Satan and Adam. that
EVE ate the fruit. It would have been her death (implied).
Since their bodies were of Light, this must have disappeared
immediately after eating the fruit (also implied) for they knew
they were naked.
Of course, Adam loved Eve SOooooooo much(implied) that he ate
the fruit in place of doing without her. This is implied in the
story.
As one older scholar once said: I certainly don't love you that
much to give up my salvation. Would I lose it to save my wife.
YES!
BLade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1592--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: Theo102 Date: October 13, 2018, 3:06 pm
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[quote]God had two witnesses. Satan and Adam. [/quote]
"God" is ambiguous, and in context Adam isn't a proper name.
האדמ = the man
#Post#: 1606--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long was Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest8 Date: October 14, 2018, 7:28 pm
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[quote author=Theo102 link=topic=171.msg1592#msg1592
date=1539461182]
[quote]God had two witnesses. Satan and Adam. [/quote]
"God" is ambiguous, and in context Adam isn't a proper name.
האדמ = the man
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] God ambiguous? Why do you say that?
in context Adam isn't a proper name.
האדמ = the man
ʼÂdâm, aw-dawm'; the same as H120; Adam the name of the
first man, also of a place in Palestine:—Adam.
h120
אָדָם 'adam
Are you trying to convert everyone to Judaism?
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 2879--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: patrick jane Date: December 20, 2018, 1:43 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]
[shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the
world was very significant as there were people throughout the
region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
(1) Cain was afraid others would kill Him.
(2) He took a wife from the land of NOD East of EDEN.
To produce a substantial population that would allow this number
of population in other parts of the world (NOD) in only 130
years; the first Reproductive cycle of Eve could not have been
missed. The first child of Adam and Eve (Cain) had to be close
to the Fall as there was no birth's during their time in Eden.
After Adam and Eve were created, God told them to go forth and
multiply. (Gen 1:28). Since their bodies would have been perfect
condition and they would have "in tune" with each other, Eve
would have been able to conceive within the first reproductive
cycle.
Keep in mind, there was NO conception prior to the fall as we
are told in Gen 4:1 (after the Fall) Eve conceived Cain.
IF we consider the Female reproductive cycle was the same in
Eden as it is now and has been for centuries after the fall, it
would place her first cycle beginning within two weeks to a
month after her creation.
IF we consider that the Beginning of Creation started on Tishrei
1 ( the Jewish New Year) and (3),
IF the "Wedding Chamber" (a type of the ancient Jewish Wedding
ceremony) leaves the groom and bride in the wedding chamber for
seven days; They (the Groom and Bride) were left alone for those
seven days. This seven days takes us through the 13th day and
God would have talked to them on the 14th day since creation.(4)
Then GOD gave Adam and Eve sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21) on
the 14th day. A future Day (the 14th day of the FIRST month)
that will become passover, sacrifice of the Lamb.(5)
This same 14th day God removed them from Eden. The days Adam and
Eve were in Eden in my opinion would have be eight days at the
most. The seventh day of Creation was for rest. The Wedding
Chamber typology (6) would have been started on the first day of
the week or Saturday evening ending on Saturday evening. God
would have talked with them on the first day of the week 14th
day since the beginning of creation, Sunday.
Blade
[/shadow]
(1) Truth: in defense of the PRe-Trib Rapture, page 98
(2) Genesis 5:3
(3) Koinonia House, "The Feast of Trumpets"
(4) Koinonia House, "The Wedding Model".
(5) Lev 23:5
(6) (Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the huppah
[/quote]I can't argue with that timeline Blade. Very good
analysis. I believe you are 100% correct.
#Post#: 3294--------------------------------------------------
Re: How long were Adam and Eve in Eden
By: guest43 Date: January 20, 2019, 2:16 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=171.msg1507#msg1507
date=1538976335]
[shadow=blue,left]How Long did Adam and Eve Stay in Eden
*Satan was a Murderer from the Beginning. This is what Jesus
tells us in John 8:14. When Satan deceived EVE, his lie not only
killed Adam and Eve but he also killed us all. (all of their
descendents). A murderer from the Beginning without a doubt. (1)
*We know that at Seith's birth Adam was 130 years old.(2)
*After the murder of Abel by Cain, we find the Population of the
world was very significant as there were people throughout the
region including east of the Euphrates River (NOD)
(1) Cain was afraid others would kill Him.
(2) He took a wife from the land of NOD East of EDEN.
To produce a substantial population that would allow this number
of population in other parts of the world (NOD) in only 130
years; the first Reproductive cycle of Eve could not have been
missed. The first child of Adam and Eve (Cain) had to be close
to the Fall as there was no birth's during their time in Eden.
After Adam and Eve were created, God told them to go forth and
multiply. (Gen 1:28). Since their bodies would have been perfect
condition and they would have "in tune" with each other, Eve
would have been able to conceive within the first reproductive
cycle.
Keep in mind, there was NO conception prior to the fall as we
are told in Gen 4:1 (after the Fall) Eve conceived Cain.
IF we consider the Female reproductive cycle was the same in
Eden as it is now and has been for centuries after the fall, it
would place her first cycle beginning within two weeks to a
month after her creation.
IF we consider that the Beginning of Creation started on Tishrei
1 ( the Jewish New Year) and (3),
IF the "Wedding Chamber" (a type of the ancient Jewish Wedding
ceremony) leaves the groom and bride in the wedding chamber for
seven days; They (the Groom and Bride) were left alone for those
seven days. This seven days takes us through the 13th day and
God would have talked to them on the 14th day since creation.(4)
Then GOD gave Adam and Eve sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21) on
the 14th day. A future Day (the 14th day of the FIRST month)
that will become passover, sacrifice of the Lamb.(5)
This same 14th day God removed them from Eden. The days Adam and
Eve were in Eden in my opinion would have be eight days at the
most. The seventh day of Creation was for rest. The Wedding
Chamber typology (6) would have been started on the first day of
the week or Saturday evening ending on Saturday evening. God
would have talked with them on the first day of the week 14th
day since the beginning of creation, Sunday.
Blade
[/shadow]
(1) Truth: in defense of the PRe-Trib Rapture, page 98
(2) Genesis 5:3
(3) Koinonia House, "The Feast of Trumpets"
(4) Koinonia House, "The Wedding Model".
(5) Lev 23:5
(6) (Genesis 29:21-23, 27-28) for the seven days of the
huppah[/quote]
Wow, neat analysis, love you guys here.
How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden, before and after they
sinned, and their days numbered?
Well we know how long they stayed after they sinned, for that
very day God kicked them out to the surrounding area of Eden. So
let's see how long Adam, then Adam and Eve were in the garden
before they sinned?
God created Adam first,
Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth
when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the
earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in
the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the
Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was
no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth
and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living being.
Life in God’s Garden
8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He
put the man whom He had formed.
We don't get lonely that fast, not when we enjoy doing what we
love. Adam must have been keeping himself busy keeping the
garden, all the different plants, flowers, fruit bushes and
trees, I know it would keep me busy for many years! But yes,
without wildlife around gardening would eventually get boring,
and this is what God noticed there was something missing in
Adams life, so:
.. 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be
alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the
field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see
what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living
creature, that was its name.
It must have taken Adam a long time to name all the animals,
millions of species, but what is "time" when you live in
eternity? Adam never aged through all this, it is not mentioned
how old he was when he started naming the animals, nor how long
it took him, (like with Noah, it documents everything.) So we
can safely assume that Adam was in the Garden for many more
years now with pets around!
20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air,
and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not
found a helper comparable to him.
He must have enjoyed meeting all the animals God created just
for him, to keep him company, and I'm sure he was surrounded by
pets. A Lyon here, an Elephant there, a few monkeys to make him
laugh, some parrots who he could teach to talk, beautiful
pheasants etc. but again, this is in eternity, no time is
counted in eternity, the sun comes up, and the sun sets, day
after day and Adam does not age.
Whatever age God created Adam at (I doubt God created him as a
baby) Adam stayed that same age for many, many years, decades,
centuries, even millennia, it does not say, but he must have
been busy all the time, and now that he had all the animals,
millions of them to keep him company, it must have taken a long
time for him to get bored of them all, I know I could easily
live a few todays lifetimes before I get bored of millions of
exotic, funny, interesting pets, while I do my gardening, and
I'm sure many here would agree!? Matter of fact, there was a
survey of men and women who were asked the question: If you were
stranded on an island, and if you had a choice, who would you
choose to be stranded with, .. your favorite pet, or your
husband/wife" An amazingly higher percentage chose the pet. But
I doubt these were Believers? lol
and so we read that once again God noticed: "But for Adam there
was not found a helper comparable to him." That he eventually
got tired of changing pets, having from a few hundred at a time
to just a few he really liked (I'm just going by what I would of
done not knowing anything else, because there were no other
humans around. I know I could live for many years, even
lifetimes if I could have any animal I wanted for pets, for
company. Play with them, run with them, train them etc. and this
while I was gardening, growing my own food, fruit trees etc. I'm
just going by what I would of done not knowing any other humans
existed!?
Anyways, God seen that once again Adam got bored:
Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on
Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up
the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had
taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the
man.
OK, so we have Adam and Eve now, what did God tell them when He
created Eve for Adam?
Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be
fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have
dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air,
and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
So what do you think Adam and Eve did the next, .. oh we don't
know how long because passing of time is not counted in
eternity, before they sinned, so I would say they did what
commanded them to do: were fruitful and multiplied.
We read later on that they had tribes, villages, and maybe even
cities all around Eden, that's where Cain went. They are the
ones who he thought would kill him after God put a mark on him!
There was no need to mention the children in eternity, or in the
Garden, what is mentioned is the first children Adam and Eve had
"after the fall", outside the Garden. Eve knew God was angry at
her, and probably thought God will not bless her with children
again for who knows how long? God did shut the womb of many
women throughout Biblical history.
Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become
like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out
his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live
forever”— 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden
of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He
drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the
garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to
guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and
bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.” 2
Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel.
Here is when genealogy started, not in the Garden in eternity,
but when genealogy mattered, when man was dying a little bit
more every day, and they knew that just as God promised, that:
"this day (Gods Day within 1,000 years) you will die!" This was
the beginning of the plan that was made before the creation of
the world, to save mankind, so this is where history began, not
in eternity in the Garden.
Where did Cain go?
Genesis 4:The Family of Cain
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in
the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife,
and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and
called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch.
Here we can understand that; by the time they were kicked out of
the Garden, there were cities, nations, like "the Land of Nod"
mentioned here! Remember God told them to "multiply and fill the
earth" and not fill just a small garden. They always had access
to the whole world, only the true beauty was the Garden in Eden
where the children could come and visit their parents and talk
with God when He came to visit them in the cool of the day.
Of course this is how the Lord gave me understanding of it, and
I am open to your, and everyone here suggestion. We have to
stick to the Bible, and not to other books like the "Book of
Enoch". There may have been a "Book of Enoch", but it is
definitely not the one being passed around today. But that's
another topic.
God bless you all.
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