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#Post#: 3713--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: February 6, 2019, 8:49 am
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--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
#Post#: 3731--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:23 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Thank you again brother Blade.
>
> [quote] [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] said: Constantine did
bring the state and Church together (marry) by legalizing the
Christian Church. All Theodosius was make the Christian religion
the official religion of ROME... There is one other thing
Theodosius did and that was to place his power into the Church
trying to force this Christian religion throughout the land. The
Church retained much of that power and the rest is history with
the RCC ruling Kings and Kingdoms including Roman Emperors for
11-1200 years.
--- End Quote ---
I wasn't talking about Theodosius who came after Constantine,
but Diocletian who was Emperor 'before' Constantine, who
supposedly destroyed all the manuscripts, letters, books of both
the OT and the New, yet they all appeared with a New
interpretation in the hands of Constantine and his
Catholic-"Christian" Church.
Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc. [/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]Yes, during this time, Jews were persecuted
and any Christians were also. However, at the time of the Textus
Receptus, there were still 5,000 original (NOTE) manuscripts to
trans-scribe.
Note: The term "Original" is used here as those manuscripts
that were saved by individuals or families. The Christian Church
back then was in the Home and rightly so. Most of the
manuscripts back then were written by the student of the
synagogue from memory. Even though it was memory, all 5,000
agreed with each other with very little differences and 98% of
these being in the spelling of proper names.[/shadow][/quote]
Again I thank you brother Blade. But what I believe "what we
have here is the failure to communicate"
(time 1:25)
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
What you are calling "Christian Church in a home" was not what
the believers called themselves. They were mocked by that name.
It was the RCC by Constantine that created their gentile church
by that name, which we both agree were not the Church of Jesus
Christ made up by those following the "Way, the Truth, and the
Life" as recorded ibn the Bible.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.[/QUOTE]
>
> [shadow=blue,left]The Roman Church, certainly not the
Christian (body of Christ) church.[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
The Roman Catholic Church is the Only Christian Church for the
past 1,700 years. I am still searching for others that either
don't consider themselves "Christian", or follow the original
believers who had No Name for some Organized Religion, but went
by "the Way" which is Jesus Christ as the Bible describes.
I have found both the "No Name Church" also called the Two by
Twos, and a "the Way" church, but they were Christian with most
of the Christian doctrines, and some other really way out
non-Biblical doctrines.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [Quote]The Bible was outlawed for anyone to have and only the
Church could interpret it.
>
> The Bible Septuagint LXX was written 300 years prior to
Christ. The New Testament was held in some 5-6000 manuscripts
and used in the underground HOME churches for it was dead to all
to even own the Bible.
--- End Quote ---
Yes of course, they didn't want Roman citizens to figure out
that the New "Christian Religion" was not Scriptural, and forced
their own interpretation of both God whom they killed,, and that
Jew Jesus, who even 1,700 years later according to todays first
Jesuit Pope said was "a failure on the cross", which are the
actual blasphemy of blasphemies.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]No that was not the reason. it was more
nefarious. It seems that the emperor by marrying (promoting) the
Church and the state had taken on the title of "Anti-christ". By
placing the state and the church together, this title went to
the high bishop at the time. He did not like it either and thus
outlawed the Bible and any of its interpretations. This remained
in effect for the world by the RCC up until Martin Luther. Of
course, this was the beginning of the crusades the RCC carried
out against the Protestants, etc.[/shadow][/quote]
But brother, this same thing is happening today in all the
protestant Churches, like the Baptist's are probably the biggest
supporters of "Bearing arms and fighting for your country". How
does that fit in with Christs teaching of "Love one another as I
have loved you, .. love your enemies, .. pray for them that hate
and persecute you" etc.?
One thing that my fellow Christians have to understand, it is
that there is one "Christian Religion" with tens of thousands of
denominations. And no matter how similar their doctrine, a 7thDA
will not go to a JW's meeting. So there is your proof, that
"Christian" is Not of Christ.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [quote]The RCC accepted writings of the manuscripts but also
the non-cononical books and of course was interpreted by the
Pope. (P.s as you said, Peter was not the 1st POPE. Yet the RCC
today still claims He was the first POPE. WHY? because they
incorrectly interpreted the words Jesus told Peter: Mat 16:18
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it."
--- End Quote ---
You are either playing the "willfully ignorant" card, or you
don't realize the implication of your Christian comment? If you
agree that "Peter was not the first Christian Pope", then the
Roman Christian Religion has no "foundation" to stand on, ..
none. You just broke that thin thread that the RCC used for the
past 1,700 years to make over 2 billion Christians believe they
are somehow connected to Christ and his early Apostolic
Church.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]Peter was not the first Pope of the RCC. and
as far as I am concerned, the RCC is heretical at
best.[/shadow][/quote]
But the RCC IS the real Christian. And if you go by the RCC
created doctrine like the Trinity, then your home is the RCC.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHRxIgMdXSU
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [quote]I will tell you now. If you believe what your words are
saying that Jesus only existed as a man, then my Friend, You are
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and according to His (Jesus')WORD, unless
you change you mind, Hell is awaiting.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, I am saying just as the Bible clearly states:
John 1:14 (NIV)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have
seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from
the Father, full of grace and truth.
.. and also another 'yes' that "hell on earth" has been my home
from the day I was born, to now 62 years of my life. But, in all
this pain and suffering, all this confusion, the light is
getting brighter as I am assured by Scripture:
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of
darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the
light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of
Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this
all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed;
perplexed, but not in despair;
9 persecuted, but not abandoned;
struck down, but not destroyed.
10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so
that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.
11 For we who are alive are always being given over to death for
Jesus’ sake,
so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body.
12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in
you.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]First of all, you have the wrong Bible. The
NIV version is full of atrocities against the WORD of GOD.
Jesus was a Man on earth born of woman, heir to the Throne of
King David by both his parents, Joseph and Mary.......But Jesus
was the Son of GOD, a part of the trinity Psalms 2 and Gen 1:26,
etc. Jesus was there at the beginning.[/quote]
So you think Jesus was Josephs child, his DNA with Marries?
It wasn't Jesus at the Beginning, but before he came to earth he
was Gods son Word. It was "the Word that became flesh and dwelt
amongst us" Yes, the Word, now also named Jesus the Christ among
many other names like Advocate, Lamb of God, King of the Jews,
bright Morning Star, the Way, the Truth and the Life etc.
The Word was God before God beget/created him, just as Eve was
Adam before God took her out of Adam. But this does not make
Eve; Adam.
--- Quote ---
> Rev 22:13...".I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last."
>
> There is no doubt that Jesus is part of the trinity of God
(the Father), Jesus Christ (the Son) and the Holy Spirit.
Please read psalm 2 where all three of them are having a
conversation.[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
I never said Gods son Word was not a big part of God, for God
created all things through and for him. What I'm saying is that
neither the Word, or after he came to earth and was named Jesus
is 1/3 of God, or make up any part of who God is. I mean if you
want to take that route, then we ALL make up God, for All Thing
exist In Him.
The trinity Doctrine says that Jesus is God, and that God died
on the cross, murdered by the Romans.
The Romans hated the Jews as much as the Jews hated the Romans,
so around 300AD the Romans plotted to kill God also, which they
achieved by taking all the OT and New and created a doctrine
called the Trinity. In this Doctrine, they kill God by making
Jesus into God, even though in reality they just worship the
gods they always have, mainly the sun-god Helios. This is why
they created the Heliocentric universe, where all the gods
circle in praise of their sun-god.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
>
> [quote]The only way to Heaven and GOD is through Jesus Christ
through Faith alone.
> ( 1 Cor 15:1-4). I hope you can change to believe in this for
it the only road there.[/QUOTE]
>
> And which heaven is that Blade, that NASA.gov space where the
Christian globe resides along with other gods like Mars, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, circling in praise of the sun-god Helios?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left] Quit being silly. The 3rd Heaven to be
exact. You are living under and in the 1st heaven.
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
True, by faith in that Gods son Word came to earth, was born of
woman and named Jesus Christ. Anyone confesses that shall enter
into Gods Kingdom.
But if people worship some sun-god also named Jesus, they shall
not enter Heaven, for they worship a man made god.
#Post#: 3732--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 6, 2019, 5:18 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3708#msg3708
date=1549430910]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Thank you again brother Blade.
>
> [quote] [member=8]Bladerunner[/member] said: Constantine did
bring the state and Church together (marry) by legalizing the
Christian Church. All Theodosius was make the Christian religion
the official religion of ROME... There is one other thing
Theodosius did and that was to place his power into the Church
trying to force this Christian religion throughout the land. The
Church retained much of that power and the rest is history with
the RCC ruling Kings and Kingdoms including Roman Emperors for
11-1200 years.
--- End Quote ---
I wasn't talking about Theodosius who came after Constantine,
but Diocletian who was Emperor 'before' Constantine, who
supposedly destroyed all the manuscripts, letters, books of both
the OT and the New, yet they all appeared with a New
interpretation in the hands of Constantine and his
Catholic-"Christian" Church.
Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc. [/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]Yes, during this time, Jews were persecuted
and any Christians were also. However, at the time of the Textus
Receptus, there were still 5,000 original (NOTE) manuscripts to
trans-scribe.
Note: The term "Original" is used here as those manuscripts
that were saved by individuals or families. The Christian Church
back then was in the Home and rightly so. Most of the
manuscripts back then were written by the student of the
synagogue from memory. Even though it was memory, all 5,000
agreed with each other with very little differences and 98% of
these being in the spelling of proper names.[/shadow][/quote]
Again I thank you brother Blade. But what I believe "what we
have here is the failure to communicate"
(time 1:25)
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUyZXhLHMk
What you are calling "Christian Church in a home" was not what
the believers called themselves. They were mocked by that name.
It was the RCC by Constantine that created their gentile church
by that name, which we both agree were not the Church of Jesus
Christ made up by those following the "Way, the Truth, and the
Life" as recorded ibn the Bible.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.[/QUOTE]
>
> [shadow=blue,left]The Roman Church, certainly not the
Christian (body of Christ) church.[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
The Roman Catholic Church is the Only Christian Church for the
past 1,700 years. I am still searching for others that either
don't consider themselves "Christian", or follow the original
believers who had No Name for some Organized Religion, but went
by "the Way" which is Jesus Christ as the Bible describes.
I have found both the "No Name Church" also called the Two by
Twos, and a "the Way" church, but they were Christian with most
of the Christian doctrines, and some other really way out
non-Biblical doctrines.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [Quote]The Bible was outlawed for anyone to have and only the
Church could interpret it.
>
> The Bible Septuagint LXX was written 300 years prior to
Christ. The New Testament was held in some 5-6000 manuscripts
and used in the underground HOME churches for it was dead to all
to even own the Bible.
--- End Quote ---
Yes of course, they didn't want Roman citizens to figure out
that the New "Christian Religion" was not Scriptural, and forced
their own interpretation of both God whom they killed,, and that
Jew Jesus, who even 1,700 years later according to todays first
Jesuit Pope said was "a failure on the cross", which are the
actual blasphemy of blasphemies.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]No that was not the reason. it was more
nefarious. It seems that the emperor by marrying (promoting) the
Church and the state had taken on the title of "Anti-christ". By
placing the state and the church together, this title went to
the high bishop at the time. He did not like it either and thus
outlawed the Bible and any of its interpretations. This remained
in effect for the world by the RCC up until Martin Luther. Of
course, this was the beginning of the crusades the RCC carried
out against the Protestants, etc.[/shadow][/quote]
But brother, this same thing is happening today in all the
protestant Churches, like the Baptist's are probably the biggest
supporters of "Bearing arms and fighting for your country". How
does that fit in with Christs teaching of "Love one another as I
have loved you, .. love your enemies, .. pray for them that hate
and persecute you" etc.?
One thing that my fellow Christians have to understand, it is
that there is one "Christian Religion" with tens of thousands of
denominations. And no matter how similar their doctrine, a 7thDA
will not go to a JW's meeting. So there is your proof, that
"Christian" is Not of Christ.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [quote]The RCC accepted writings of the manuscripts but also
the non-cononical books and of course was interpreted by the
Pope. (P.s as you said, Peter was not the 1st POPE. Yet the RCC
today still claims He was the first POPE. WHY? because they
incorrectly interpreted the words Jesus told Peter: Mat 16:18
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it."
--- End Quote ---
You are either playing the "willfully ignorant" card, or you
don't realize the implication of your Christian comment? If you
agree that "Peter was not the first Christian Pope", then the
Roman Christian Religion has no "foundation" to stand on, ..
none. You just broke that thin thread that the RCC used for the
past 1,700 years to make over 2 billion Christians believe they
are somehow connected to Christ and his early Apostolic
Church.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]Peter was not the first Pope of the RCC. and
as far as I am concerned, the RCC is heretical at
best.[/shadow][/quote]
But the RCC IS the real Christian. And if you go by the RCC
created doctrine like the Trinity, then your home is the RCC.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHRxIgMdXSU
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> [quote]I will tell you now. If you believe what your words are
saying that Jesus only existed as a man, then my Friend, You are
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and according to His (Jesus')WORD, unless
you change you mind, Hell is awaiting.
--- End Quote ---
Yes, I am saying just as the Bible clearly states:
John 1:14 (NIV)
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have
seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from
the Father, full of grace and truth.
.. and also another 'yes' that "hell on earth" has been my home
from the day I was born, to now 62 years of my life. But, in all
this pain and suffering, all this confusion, the light is
getting brighter as I am assured by Scripture:
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of
darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the
light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of
Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this
all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
8 We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed;
perplexed, but not in despair;
9 persecuted, but not abandoned;
struck down, but not destroyed.
10 We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so
that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.
11 For we who are alive are always being given over to death for
Jesus’ sake,
so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body.
12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in
you.[/QUOTE]
[shadow=blue,left]First of all, you have the wrong Bible. The
NIV version is full of atrocities against the WORD of GOD.
Jesus was a Man on earth born of woman, heir to the Throne of
King David by both his parents, Joseph and Mary.......But Jesus
was the Son of GOD, a part of the trinity Psalms 2 and Gen 1:26,
etc. Jesus was there at the beginning.[/quote]
So you think Jesus was Josephs child, his DNA with Marries?
It wasn't Jesus at the Beginning, but before he came to earth he
was Gods son Word. It was "the Word that became flesh and dwelt
amongst us" Yes, the Word, now also named Jesus the Christ among
many other names like Advocate, Lamb of God, King of the Jews,
bright Morning Star, the Way, the Truth and the Life etc.
The Word was God before God beget/created him, just as Eve was
Adam before God took her out of Adam. But this does not make
Eve; Adam.
--- Quote ---
> Rev 22:13...".I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last."
>
> There is no doubt that Jesus is part of the trinity of God
(the Father), Jesus Christ (the Son) and the Holy Spirit.
Please read psalm 2 where all three of them are having a
conversation.[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
I never said Gods son Word was not a big part of God, for God
created all things through and for him. What I'm saying is that
neither the Word, or after he came to earth and was named Jesus
is 1/3 of God, or make up any part of who God is. I mean if you
want to take that route, then we ALL make up God, for All Thing
exist In Him.
The trinity Doctrine says that Jesus is God, and that God died
on the cross, murdered by the Romans.
The Romans hated the Jews as much as the Jews hated the Romans,
so around 300AD the Romans plotted to kill God also, which they
achieved by taking all the OT and New and created a doctrine
called the Trinity. In this Doctrine, they kill God by making
Jesus into God, even though in reality they just worship the
gods they always have, mainly the sun-god Helios. This is why
they created the Heliocentric universe, where all the gods
circle in praise of their sun-god.
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
>
> [quote]The only way to Heaven and GOD is through Jesus Christ
through Faith alone.
> ( 1 Cor 15:1-4). I hope you can change to believe in this for
it the only road there.[/QUOTE]
>
> And which heaven is that Blade, that NASA.gov space where the
Christian globe resides along with other gods like Mars, Venus,
Jupiter, Saturn, circling in praise of the sun-god Helios?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left] Quit being silly. The 3rd Heaven to be
exact. You are living under and in the 1st heaven.
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
True, by faith in that Gods son Word came to earth, was born of
woman and named Jesus Christ. Anyone confesses that shall enter
into Gods Kingdom.
But if people worship some sun-god also named Jesus, they shall
not enter Heaven, for they worship a man made god.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Wow, where did you get the above from? Until
you give a references to this view point, I can not respond.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3738--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 6, 2019, 10:45 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote ---
> Bladerunner said: Wow, where did you get the above from?
Until you give a references to this view point, I can not
respond.
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
After Diocletian just about wiped the early church out, those
who according to the Bible went by "the Way" including the
letters they had, and then it turned up with the RCC, and they
added the mock word "Christian" to their gentile Religion and
that's how this "Christianity" Started. I'm sure you know that
Rome and the Emperors worshipped many pagan gods, so the RCC
worshiped pagan gods, do you agree?
That's why they made the Trinity Doctrine to better fit in with
their earlier beliefs.
Idol worship was their main Religion before, and idol worship
continued after.
The only thing changed was that they renamed their idols after
the Jewish Apostles, and included naming their Queen of heaven;
Mary, and the baby Jesus as Thammuz.
Nothing changed for Rome after they crucified Jesus, and to stop
the spread of the Good News, Diocletian wiped th early believers
out. Then Constantine followed with spreading the Roman Religion
in sheep skin, in the name of the Bible.
I mean if History doesn't show the real wolf of the R.C.
Christian then nothing will. The Bible is their sheepskin.
This is why documentaries like Zeitgeist is so convincing,
because that's what the RCC worshipped, and Christians worship
today, idols and many gods.
Look at Christmas, Easter, mixed in with the more obvious
Halloween, these been going on ever since the mock- Christianity
was created. And the Few Denominations that don't celebrate
these pagan holidays, they still hold on to, and interpret other
pagan Christian ideas into the Bible. This is what I'm saying,
that "Christian is a gentile created Religion", that is hiding
under the Bible sheepskin. It doesn't take much to see that.
Just try to take Santa, or the Easter bunny out of Christianity
and you will see the true nature of the wolf. I have, and I was
shunned by EVERY Major Christian Denomination, from Catholic, to
Baptist, to JW's, to 7thDA to the non-trinitarian but still
Christian "the Way", the Two by Twos, and my Old Country
Apostolic Nazarene churches to a point we had no reason to go to
any Christian Church anymore. We could feel the cold in the
Christian Churches like going into a freezer.
Besides, if you have read the Bible, tell me where it was
prophesied anywhere that God will use a pagan idol worshipping
Gentile nation to spread Christs message through? I mean how
come no Bible Scholar ever noticed the terrible discrepancies of
this, when throughout the Bible it says that God will send His
messenger through His Chosen People Israel, .. not a pagan gods
worshipping Gentile nation.
THIS was Rome before, and this is Rome using the mock name
"Christian" Now.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbh7_SDP2hI
Just because some denomination dilute this, and even preach
against it, they still hold on to other pagan Christian ideals
and beliefs, mainly the plural gods, along with Christmas and
Easter. Those who don't even do that, made other gods, like
names of gods as their god, or a day that they worship. No
matter how you package Christianity, its origions will always
stay.
So "Get Out of Her my people" the Lord is calling you back!
I could explain in detail the difference between Christianity,
and the followers of "the Way", from the Bible and from what we
know of History, want to hear it?
Love you Blade, I have absolutely nothing against you
personally, I just pray to God that I could open your eyes, and
other Christians eyes, if I could, I could say I have achieved
something for my/our Lord Jesus and just let them kill me
already. I could then say: "I'm done here, take me Lord, I had
enough!"
#Post#: 3739--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 7, 2019, 1:10 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
#Post#: 3767--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 8, 2019, 7:54 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3713#msg3713
date=1549464573]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You said:"You know what it says, that Arius
actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we
have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with
the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this
lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he
was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."
So Sad!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3801--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 10, 2019, 3:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3739#msg3739
date=1549523449]
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3713#msg3713
date=1549464573]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You said:"You know what it says, that Arius
actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we
have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with
the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this
lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he
was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."
So Sad!
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least
they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn
them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church
did to other so called "heretics".
#Post#: 3806--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 10, 2019, 5:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Arius link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3767#msg3767
date=1549677292]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3739#msg3739
date=1549523449]
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3713#msg3713
date=1549464573]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You said:"You know what it says, that Arius
actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we
have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with
the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this
lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he
was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."
So Sad!
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least
they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn
them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church
did to other so called "heretics".
[/quote]
That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.
I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;
'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1
cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and
Jew, in the New Testament'
and
'those who are Christians in Name Only!'
Blade
#Post#: 3814--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest43
Date: February 10, 2019, 8:55 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3801#msg3801
date=1549833698]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3767#msg3767
date=1549677292]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3739#msg3739
date=1549523449]
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3713#msg3713
date=1549464573]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You said:"You know what it says, that Arius
actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we
have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with
the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this
lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he
was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."
So Sad!
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least
they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn
them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church
did to other so called "heretics".
[/quote]
That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.
I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;
'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1
cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and
Jew, in the New Testament'
and
'those who are Christians in Name Only!'
Blade
[/quote]
I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything
you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the
disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early
disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them
suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation,
and it is clear what their long term goal was.
I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing
started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the
Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they
just about shed that skin.
Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the
Christian Religion) totally?
If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian
Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how
different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what
exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not
God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity
Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan
worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the
Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy
Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine".
It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since
they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were
usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture
understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.
One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a
failure on the cross"
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvIrfp3qdNg
this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.
#Post#: 3820--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 10, 2019, 10:45 pm
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>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3806#msg3806
date=1549842028]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3801#msg3801
date=1549833698]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3767#msg3767
date=1549677292]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3739#msg3739
date=1549523449]
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3713#msg3713
date=1549464573]
> [quote author=Arius link=topic=166.msg3701#msg3701
date=1549415315]
> Diocletian was a Roman emperor from (c. AD 284 to 305)
Supposedly wiped out Christ disciples, those who were "of the
Way" and confiscated (or destroyed) any books, letters scrolls
they may have had along with the Ministers/Teachers of Christ,
except those outside of their jurisdiction like Egypt, Greece,
etc.
>
> except Arius, and Arianism remained strong, and followed the
"son of God Word" and not the new Christian Trinity-gods.
> - Arian teachings were first attributed to Arius (c. AD
256–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria of Egypt whose
followers remained, and would not accept either the "Christian"
mock name, or its "Trinity doctrine". Now the job to exterminate
Arianism fell in the hands of Constantine I the Roman emperor
who ruled between 305 - and 337AD. along with his militant
Christian army. So Arius and those following Arianism were
branded "heretics" by the "Christian Church of Rome", and
persecuted by, .. that's right, by Christians.
--- End Quote ---
I'm interested in Arius, also because you have chosen this for
your name...
Don't you have some interesting links with more information on
that?
Maybe post it in the following thread (or a new one?), where I
have already posted information on Mithraism:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/philosophy/the-occult-religions/13/
[/quote]
Thank you Firestarter, the problem is that the Bible has been
associated with the mock word "Christian" for so long, that it
is next to impossible to separate the two.
So if the Christian Historians and Theologians say that Arius
was a heretic, then where would you turn to learn the truth?
Where? Almost all of his work was destroyed, and then
reinterpreted by Christians. History was written by mostly
Christians, or others who still went to Christian schools, so
you will never get the truth of the matter, .. especially the
truth about, .. and I mean the Real Truth about Christianity.
It's Just Like Gravity, the whole world associates things
falling to this imaginary force called gravity, because Newton,
who went to and graduated from Trinity Colleges says so. I
proved gravity does not exist, and may God help me to prove to
all Christians that "Christianity" is NOT of Christ!
Do you know where Christians go to get their degree in Bible
study? They go to "Schools of Divinity" and "Trinity Colleges"
to get a Doctorate in Divinity or Theology. That's where Isaak
Newton went to also. So how would anyone know the difference, or
figure out that "Christian" is Not Gods messenger!?
Just ask any Christian about Jesus Christ or about the Apostles
or the Church Christ built, and they will tell you instantly:
"It's Christian"!
You can look up Arianism on Wikipedia, but guess who put the
information there? That's right, Christians.
You know what it says, that Arius actually believed that Jesus
was God. Yep, .. even though we have enough info that he was
murdered upon his final visit with the Christians regarding the
Trinity, yet they still put this lie in Wikipedia that Arius
believed Jesus was God, only that he was a begotten god, ..
which makes absolutely no sense.
But all we have to do is look at who created the Christian
Religion, and what this Christian Religion has done in its long
1,700 year history, and you will see that Jesus was NEVER in
Christianity! Never.
But "Oh, how could you say that Arius? Look all the good that
Christians have done throughout history!?"
Yes, they did it because of the Bible, because of what Jesus
taught in the Gospels, and NOT because what their Christian
Religion taught them I can guarantee you that.
My dear friend, here is some info on Arianism;
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
but like I said, this was written by Christians, and
Christianity is the biggest deception to humanity, and the
Apostles warned us of this that it will happen, actually it was
already happening,
Jude 4 New International Version (NIV)
4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about
long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly
people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Now look what the Christian Trinitary Version, the KJV says:
Jude 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before
of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the
grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord
God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. .. Blasphemy!
If you are not a Christian, don't get into it. They will lure
you in with the sweet words of our Lord Jesus Christ in
carefully, and professionally crafted emotional sermons like
Billy Graham used to do, only to brainwash you into accepting
the Christian gods.
Here is a documentary that says everything that I say, or what I
feel in my soul that Arius was teaching, but has one flaw, .. it
is still from a Christian perspective.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJraWLEOQY
These are wonderful people, yet still blinded because they are
still Christians, and don't realize that "idol worship" didn't
sneak into Christianity, but Christianity is the one that is
full of idol worship, and blasphemies like killing God, and
putting Jesus Christ right back on the cross, then making their
goats worship a dying Christ. This is why the Pope now announced
that "Jesus was a failure on the cross", .. rather then having
their members worship the Risen Christ! The RCC created
Christian Religion is exactly what Jude Chapter four was warning
the early believers about!
Christian is the wolf, and its sheep clothing is the Bible!
Look up who erected the Georgia Guide Stones, which suggest the
extermination of 6.5 Billion evolving animals, meaning us dumb
sheep, and leaving the illuminated sun worshippers (Illuminati,
Jesuits, Masons or simply Satan worshippers) to rule their
Lucifer created universe! It was none other than:
R. C. Christian That is Roman Catholic Christian.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]You said:"You know what it says, that Arius
actually believed that Jesus was God. Yep, .. even though we
have enough info that he was murdered upon his final visit with
the Christians regarding the Trinity, yet they still put this
lie in Wikipedia that Arius believed Jesus was God, only that he
was a begotten god, .. which makes absolutely no sense."
So Sad!
Blade[/shadow][/quote]
Thank you Blade my friend, .. I agree, it is sad, but at least
they didn't dig up Arius's grave, then take his bones and burn
them, then scatter them in some river as the Christian Church
did to other so called "heretics".
[/quote]
That is not what I meant by the "So Sad" statement.
I actually meant it is so sad that someone cannot differentiate;
'A true Christian (follower) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1
cor 15:1-4) as written by PAUL, the Apostle to the Gentile and
Jew, in the New Testament'
and
'those who are Christians in Name Only!'
Blade
[/quote]
I don't see how you associate the word "Christian" to anything
you quoted here, or any other place that talk about the
disciples in the New Testament?
All the word "Christian" has to do in the Bible is how the early
disciples were mocked as "Christians', and how it made them
suffer. The rest of Christianity is a pagan Gentile creation,
and it is clear what their long term goal was.
I am here to take us back to the time this "Christian" thing
started, and it was initiated by the Gentiles. As I said, the
Bible was just the sheepskin the wolf hid under, but today, they
just about shed that skin.
Why did the Reformation happen?
How far from the original Christian did it wonder off?
Why stop here, why not "Get out of her" (her meaning the
Christian Religion) totally?
If you would have followed me on about a dozen other Christian
Debating Forums over the past 20 years you would have seen how
different Christianity is from Christs teaching, and what
exactly is that they defend? I can tell you this much, it is not
God, or Jesus Christ, or the Commandments, but the Trinity
Doctrine! Members of any religious background, even Satan
worshippers were allowed to voice their opinions against the
Bible, against God, against Jesus Christ and including the Holy
Spirit, as long as they did NOT attack the "Trinity Doctrine".
It was then that I was banned from the debating Forum.
Actually there were Muslims that attacked the Trinity, but since
they didn't have the necessary Biblical knowledge, they were
usually defeated easily. But since I had deeper Scripture
understanding, I was consistently and continually banned.
One last one was me simply posting the Pope saying: "Jesus was a
failure on the cross"
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvIrfp3qdNg
this got me Banned. That is Christian defending their gods.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Yet you were attacking me for being a
Christian... Even Jesus tells us the Catholic
church and her pope (this pope) will ride the beast. It is no
wonder about what the pope says.....
Thank you for posting it.... Others need to hear it... It has
not been fixed has it? a false video does no one any good.
Not all Christians are True.....nor are your enemies.
Blade[/shadow]
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