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#Post#: 3562--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: January 30, 2019, 10:10 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you
that everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.
>
> Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead
of the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the
inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?
>
> It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of
the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of
themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the
'thought for thought' inspiration.
>
> God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He
wanted them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.
>
> NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?
>
> The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer
the exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the
writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so
each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is
seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words,
etc within its pages.
--- End Quote ---
Maybe you donīt even know any other language than English?!?
I once had Latin at school (2 years). The idea that you could
translate a Latin text "word for word" is preposterous.
In Latin the "naamvallen" (I donīt know the English word for
this), like in German, actually define in what order, context a
translated Latin text could be placed.
English, Dutch and German are actually quite similar. That Latin
(in which the New Testament was originally written) is
"different", more similar to Italian, Spanish and French, also
means that what your saying is ridiculous...
I can imagine that ancient Hebrew (in which the Old Testament
was originally written), similar to Arabic?, is even further
away from English!
If you only try to translate a text you should be able to see
the error in your view.
If you have never really translated any text, obviously you
donīt know what your babbling about!
#Post#: 3571--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 30, 2019, 5:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3558#msg3558
date=1548831541]
> IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you
that everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.
>
> Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead
of the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the
inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?
>
> It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of
the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of
themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the
'thought for thought' inspiration.
>
> God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He
wanted them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.
>
> NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?
>
> The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer
the exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the
writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so
each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is
seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words,
etc within its pages.
--- End Quote ---
Maybe you donīt even know any other language than English?!?
I once had Latin at school (2 years). The idea that you could
translate a Latin text "word for word" is preposterous.
In Latin the "naamvallen" (I donīt know the English word for
this), like in German, actually define in what order, context a
translated Latin text could be placed.
English, Dutch and German are actually quite similar. That Latin
(in which the New Testament was originally written) is
"different", more similar to Italian, Spanish and French, also
means that what your saying is ridiculous...
I can imagine that ancient Hebrew (in which the Old Testament
was originally written), similar to Arabic?, is even further
away from English!
If you only try to translate a text you should be able to see
the error in your view.
If you have never really translated any text, obviously you
donīt know what your babbling about!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how the
language was used at that time even if I translated the words or
phrases.
As today's complaint by many, because the meaning of the words
then do not mean that now..... In my younger days: a Hoe was
used in the vegetable Garden and today a Hoe,,,,,is
weeeell......
The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language on
earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified, the
Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated to
the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the result
became the Septuagint LXX.
The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language of
the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the
prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ)
was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official
language of the area.
Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and
Latin.
Why was there so many manuscripts. There were no publishers back
then so Students of the Bible had to memorize it word for word.
The teacher would give them a phrase of words and repeat it over
and over as one scholar put it: Teacher, teacher, teacher,
student, student, student.
When the KJV version was written, there were still close to
5,000 manuscripts that varied only a small percent. That small
percent was made even smaller when it was found out the Names of
People were the cause of most descripencies between these 5,000
manuscripts. Then the Dead Sea scrolls, around 50,000, of them
became available and agreed with the other 5,000 manuscripts and
the Textus Receptus. Thus, we have the KJV written 400 years ago
and has not changed aside from the changes made translating 'old
english' to present english. Somewhere around 100,000 words or
phrases.
What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing
His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the
power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'
God's authority vs, Man's Authority.
I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do
to?
Blade[/shadow]
.
#Post#: 3581--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: January 31, 2019, 11:38 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how
the language was used at that time even if I translated the
words or phrases.
--- End Quote ---
You seem to be missing your own point...
You claim that only a word for word translation of the Bible
is allowable, but this is simply impossible!
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language
on earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified,
the Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated
to the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the
result became the Septuagint LXX.
--- End Quote ---
You're also wrong about Hebrew being the first language on
earth.
According to the following the oldest written languages, before
Hebrew, are.
Sumerian (3500 BC)
Egyptian (3300 BC)
Mycenaean Greek (1600 BC)
HTML http://www.oldest.org/culture/written-languages/
I think that Chinese (which is written in characters instead of
letters) should have been in the previous top 3.
The oldest Chinese characters found are from about 3000 BC:
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10173291/5000-year-old-Chinese-characters-discovered.html
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language
of the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the
prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ)
was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official
language of the area.
> Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and
Latin.
--- End Quote ---
I'm no expert at the Bible by a long shot, but I thought that
the New Testament was originally published in Latin. Was I
wrong; and was it really Greek?
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing
His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the
power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'
> God's authority vs, Man's Authority.
>
> I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do
to?
--- End Quote ---
No you obviously don't choose the teachingf of Jesus! I think
that you use a double tongue to defend the scribes that Jesus
despised so very much.
You regularly contradict yourself in defence of ideas that
aren't true. It looks to me that you're lying to yourself
because you're afraid to see the "beam" in front of your head.
#Post#: 3589--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: January 31, 2019, 12:49 pm
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The bible was written in three different lang. ancient Hebrew,
ancient Greek, and Aramaic...
#Post#: 3591--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 31, 2019, 1:42 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=166.msg3571#msg3571
date=1548892230]
> Firestarter.... I do know that I do NOT and can NOT know how
the language was used at that time even if I translated the
words or phrases.
--- End Quote ---
You seem to be missing your own point...
You claim that only a word for word translation of the Bible
is allowable, but this is simply impossible!
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> The WORD of GOD was written most likely in the first language
on earth (Hebrew). 300 years before Jesus Christ was crucified,
the Hebrew Manuscripts (available at that time) was translated
to the Greek language in use by the Grecian Empire and the
result became the Septuagint LXX.
--- End Quote ---
You're also wrong about Hebrew being the first language on
earth.
According to the following the oldest written languages, before
Hebrew, are.
Sumerian (3500 BC)
Egyptian (3300 BC)
Mycenaean Greek (1600 BC)
HTML http://www.oldest.org/culture/written-languages/
I think that Chinese (which is written in characters instead of
letters) should have been in the previous top 3.
The oldest Chinese characters found are from about 3000 BC:
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10173291/5000-year-old-Chinese-characters-discovered.html
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> The New Testament was written by many, in the Greek Language
of the Day. Even though the Roman Empire was in charge, the
prevailing language of the day (during the time of Jesus Christ)
was Koinia Greek. Later around 135 AD, Latin became the official
language of the area.
> Pilot, wrote "The King of the Jews" in Hebrew, Greek and
Latin.
--- End Quote ---
I'm no expert at the Bible by a long shot, but I thought that
the New Testament was originally published in Latin. Was I
wrong; and was it really Greek?
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> What you are suggesting is that I Blaspheme GOD by changing
His word thus shouting, 'HE GOT them WRONG and did not have the
power to keep MAN and his GLORY from CHANGING THEM?'
> God's authority vs, Man's Authority.
>
> I choose GOD and His authority always! I would suggest you do
to?
--- End Quote ---
No you obviously don't choose the teachingf of Jesus! I think
that you use a double tongue to defend the scribes that Jesus
despised so very much.
You regularly contradict yourself in defence of ideas that
aren't true. It looks to me that you're lying to yourself
because you're afraid to see the "beam" in front of your head.
[/quote]Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians
about the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were
proven fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe
scince and the fucked up history you were taught in school.
Gimme a break pal.
#Post#: 3612--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: February 1, 2019, 10:27 am
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So I have a serious question for all the KJV only people.
What about all whose native lang. is not English? What is their
choice? When Brian's family was in Nigeria, there was a man
that was gifted by God in lang. and worked miracles in
translating scripture into the native lang. of the people...is
that a poor translation because it is not KJV?
#Post#: 3613--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 1, 2019, 10:55 am
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> So I have a serious question for all the KJV only people.
>
> What about all whose native lang. is not English? What is
their choice? When Brian's family was in Nigeria, there was a
man that was gifted by God in lang. and worked miracles in
translating scripture into the native lang. of the people...is
that a poor translation because it is not KJV?
>
--- End Quote ---
NO it's not a poor translation imo, because it is done to spread
the gospel. I think the KJV is better to study and read with but
other versions are ok.
#Post#: 3616--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: February 1, 2019, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians about
the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were proven
fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe scince
and the fucked up history you were taught in school. Gimme a
break pal.
--- End Quote ---
You donīt have a clue what Iīm about.
Youīre the one believing in some BS Roman council that
pronounced the Bible the Word of God.
Do you have any reason to think that God would need to write a
book for stupid humans crawling earth?
You seem to post whatever Youtube video you can find, including
the most ridiculous nonsense and are pushing conspiracy stories
without checking facts.
Worst of all you support a mass murderer like Donald Trump (a
good friend of the crooked Clintons):
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/yemen-the-ignored-genocide/
#Post#: 3620--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: February 1, 2019, 1:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=166.msg3591#msg3591
date=1548963732]
> Firestarter, I see your problem. You believe historians about
the Sumerians and these guys and those guys as if it were proven
fact. Here you are questioning Sandy Hook but you believe scince
and the fucked up history you were taught in school. Gimme a
break pal.
--- End Quote ---
You donīt have a clue what Iīm about.
Youīre the one believing in some BS Roman council that
pronounced the Bible the Word of God.
Do you have any reason to think that God would need to write a
book for stupid humans crawling earth?
You seem to post whatever Youtube video you can find, including
the most ridiculous nonsense and are pushing conspiracy stories
without checking facts.
Worst of all you support a mass murderer like Donald Trump (a
good friend of the crooked Clintons):
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/firestarter-on-fire/yemen-the-ignored-genocide/
[/quote]I see that you have formed your own twisted opinions
again. You seem to think you know me better than I know you, and
time will tell. I worked hard and continue to work hard and I
even pay money to work hard to wake people up and spread the
truth as I understand it. I can be wrong no doubt. I could be
wrong about everything I think I know. Therein lies the
difference between you and I. You strike me as a person who
thinks he knows a lot more than he does.
I don't believe bullshit and I don't post any YT video I find,
asshole. If you've watched any you would know. Are some
questionable on the assertions they make? Likely but yours are
too. I heard about st. jimmy from LRF. Lose the attitude here if
you can, we can learn and grow and help each other instead of
being jackasses.
I facilitate the truth and spread the truth as much as I can. I
do it for free because I have the time and feel the need. It
only takes one story, one piece of compelling information and
one alleged fact to be unproven to wake a person up. I was
awakened at the age of 13 by a book called "Contract On America"
by Jeffrey Furst on the JFK assassination. I knew then that the
world was a lie. So I love having you here and you produce good
content but please don't play the victim or pull on the guilt
strings of others when you don't do shit for the world yourself.
#Post#: 3640--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: February 2, 2019, 10:50 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> I don't believe bullshit and I don't post any YT video I find,
asshole. If you've watched any you would know. Are some
questionable on the assertions they make? Likely but yours are
too. I heard about st. jimmy from LRF. Lose the attitude here if
you can, we can learn and grow and help each other instead of
being jackasses.
--- End Quote ---
Do you believe everything thatīs posted on Letsrollforums?
Have you found just a single thread on the forum that actually
gives a good overview of what really happened on 9/11?!?
You have invented some BS about me, here it is again.
--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> You believe historians about the Sumerians and these guys and
those guys as if it were proven fact. Here you are questioning
Sandy Hook but you believe scince and the fucked up history you
were taught in school.
--- End Quote ---
Where you high when you invented this out of thin air?
You canīt expose the scandals when you smoke drugs every day...
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