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#Post#: 3129--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 10, 2019, 2:34 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3127#msg3127
date=1547143018]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=166.msg3125#msg3125
date=1547137744]
> If there is only ONE God there can only be ONE interpretation
that is correct, the key is all parties allowing the HS to
interpret it for us, teaching us.
--- End Quote ---
People "understand" things in different ways.
Some people find one thing more important, money e.g. , and
others something else, e.g. fame...
In my opinion, as people are "different" they interpret things
in different ways.
A lot of the sayings of Jesus in the New Testament have what I
call a "poetic" value, just like some of the best music, so that
different people can understand it in their own way.
A 5-year-old couldn't possibly understand religion as his
parents could he?
That's besides that "words" aren't capable of describing the
full truth.
If you take for example the description of a table, this can
never become the table...
If you believe in a "Trinity", shouldn't you think that there
would be 3 right interpretations?!?
Or am I trying to connect dots now that I shouldn't?
[/quote]Agreed. The Bible or actually any of the other false
religions will always be open to interpretation, however, with
the Holy Bible there is only one main message and one overall
interpretation of the whole. For instance, I read the
descriptions of creation and the sun, moon, stars and cosmos
very literally, as they are meant to be understood.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I'll have to agree with LORI. There is only
one GOD and in:
John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God."
Read the Bible Literally, Historically and Grammatically and it
will unfold in perfect order without having to add, delete,
allegorize, symbolize verses to make them say what one needs
them to say to fit their individual doctrines.
Besides, the Bible (KJV) will tell you what the symbols mean,
etc. somewhere else in the Bible. This is I believe on purpose
to create a study environment for those who truly want to learn
about GOD.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 3140--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: January 11, 2019, 8:59 am
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--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=166.msg3125#msg3125
date=1547137744]
> If there is only ONE God there can only be ONE interpretation
that is correct, the key is all parties allowing the HS to
interpret it for us, teaching us.
--- End Quote ---
People "understand" things in different ways.
Some people find one thing more important, money e.g. , and
others something else, e.g. fame...
In my opinion, as people are "different" they interpret things
in different ways.
A lot of the sayings of Jesus in the New Testament have what I
call a "poetic" value, just like some of the best music, so that
different people can understand it in their own way.
A 5-year-old couldn't possibly understand religion as his
parents could he?
That's besides that "words" aren't capable of describing the
full truth.
If you take for example the description of a table, this can
never become the table...
If you believe in a "Trinity", shouldn't you think that there
would be 3 right interpretations?!?
Or am I trying to connect dots now that I shouldn't?
[/quote]what it seems to me you are talking about is drawing
from the word a truth that is relevant to the individual. Of
course this is true...but let's take the idea of money....One
person who interprets it as we need more and more and more money
is not interpreting the passage the same as the one who says we
are to trust God for what He determines we need. Which is right
interpretation? Where does scripture say that we need more and
more and more money?
Throughout the ages, men have used scripture to justify all
kinds of evils. For example, the KKK bases their beliefs on
"scripture"...is that a correct interpretation? When talking
about interpretation, there can only be one valid understanding.
From the standpoint of what we can draw from a passage there
can be many lessons. For example the account of the Good
Samaritan. The man asks, who is my neighbor? Now I may look at
the account and see that the neighbor is even my enemy...you may
look at the account and see that Love goes beyond a
bandaid....both are right interpretations but different
perspectives. If however a third person interprets it as the
religious leaders have a right to walk by someone in need, that
is a wrong interpretation not just a different in perspective.
At least that is how I see it.
#Post#: 3146--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 11, 2019, 8:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Firestarter link=topic=166.msg3127#msg3127
date=1547143018]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=166.msg3125#msg3125
date=1547137744]
> If there is only ONE God there can only be ONE interpretation
that is correct, the key is all parties allowing the HS to
interpret it for us, teaching us.
--- End Quote ---
People "understand" things in different ways.
Some people find one thing more important, money e.g. , and
others something else, e.g. fame...
In my opinion, as people are "different" they interpret things
in different ways.
A lot of the sayings of Jesus in the New Testament have what I
call a "poetic" value, just like some of the best music, so that
different people can understand it in their own way.
A 5-year-old couldn't possibly understand religion as his
parents could he?
That's besides that "words" aren't capable of describing the
full truth.
If you take for example the description of a table, this can
never become the table...
If you believe in a "Trinity", shouldn't you think that there
would be 3 right interpretations?!?
Or am I trying to connect dots now that I shouldn't?
[/quote]what it seems to me you are talking about is drawing
from the word a truth that is relevant to the individual. Of
course this is true...but let's take the idea of money....One
person who interprets it as we need more and more and more money
is not interpreting the passage the same as the one who says we
are to trust God for what He determines we need. Which is right
interpretation? Where does scripture say that we need more and
more and more money?
Throughout the ages, men have used scripture to justify all
kinds of evils. For example, the KKK bases their beliefs on
"scripture"...is that a correct interpretation? When talking
about interpretation, there can only be one valid understanding.
From the standpoint of what we can draw from a passage there
can be many lessons. For example the account of the Good
Samaritan. The man asks, who is my neighbor? Now I may look at
the account and see that the neighbor is even my enemy...you may
look at the account and see that Love goes beyond a
bandaid....both are right interpretations but different
perspectives. If however a third person interprets it as the
religious leaders have a right to walk by someone in need, that
is a wrong interpretation not just a different in perspective.
At least that is how I see it.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Lori, you have real good instincts. I can only
add there are the some 150 versions of the Holy Bible. These too
can be considered interpretations of the WORD of GOD.
What better way for Satan to cast doubt in GOD than getting
mankind to change God's WORD. Actually in Genesis 3:1, Satan
tells EVE."Yea, hath God said". This my friends is casting doubt
in GOD's WORD and...... EVE fell for it. "Casting Doubt" is
Satan's middle name.
For example: * If you have a New American Standard Version,
within one of the FRONT pages it is written.. "Brackets in the
text are around words probably not in the original writings."*
But what are the text it is talking about. Well..Mark 16:9-20
the missing verses concerning the resurrection of Christ.; Mark
9:44,45; Mat 6:13...and this is a good one. "last part of the
Lord's Prayer";john 7:53; John 8:11,etc., etc., etc.
The bottom line is that the NEWer version(s) of the Bible will
have someones interpretation written in most all the pages. SO
WHAT? we are changing the words to make it easier to read and
to be more modern day.
Satan can certainly say today : "Yea, hath GOD said:"
So pay attention to the version you use. Is it really all of
GOD's WORD or is it something else.
Wrong Interpretations "Casting Doubt" again!
Blade
[/shadow]
Ref: * Barry Burton. Let's Weigh the Evidence
#Post#: 3289--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: freelight
Date: January 19, 2019, 5:29 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Which Bible Translation Should We Read?
>
>
> There are so many different translations out in the world.
Which one is the most accurate? It is OK to read several or
should we be reading only one?
>
> 15 minutes
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qSUSvPRPw&index=11&t=0s&list=WL
>
--- End Quote ---
Nice mini-presentation. I also agree in some respects and have
used a NKJV (thomas nelson center column reference giant print
edition) with footnotes on variant readings, and love it. I gave
that one to my Mom, may look into getting a kindle version :) -
I agree on an eclectic approach on texts, and see the logic and
wisdom of considering all text traditions and variants in any
study of scripture. Im usually more of the Alexandrian school of
liberal theosophists of course with a gnostic flair, but
inclusive and diverse enough to enjoy all facets of a diamond
and all colours of a rainbow.
I find it sillly that some die heard KJV-only adherents will
villify other translations as 'new age bible versions', and end
up worshipping a 'version' of scripture which becomes idolatry.
Its a sad misfortune of misplaced value and ignorance IMO. - of
course, my theology is not limited to the Bible, as all inspired
or illumined writings are in the library of a student of
universal wisdom, not limited to any one cult, tradition or
school. You cant put 'God' in a box, but you can learn from the
meaning and value of divine knowledge and wisdom in any
religious or philosophical literature.
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#Post#: 3290--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: freelight
Date: January 19, 2019, 6:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> The early church understood that with One God came One Spirit,
thus One understanding. So the question posed today is how many
right interpretations are there to scripture.
>
> Before we start let me clarify one thing, scripture also talks
about what we call disputable matters which are the things not
clear which is a different matter.
>
--- End Quote ---
Interpretations of any text, doctrine, theory, concept or idea
can vary. Religious writings are subject to both literal and
figurative interpretation and may further differ according to
the context in which they are being 'related'. At best, you may
consider all logical, tenable, probable and possible
'interpretations' of a given text and translate such in the
present time with all the knowledge, wisdom and discernment
available, at any given moment. - there are teachings, concepts
or practices in scripture that are outdated, obsolete today...or
is translated to mean something different in modern times, so a
belief such as 'biblical inerrancy' is shaky, since it is the
spirit of truth that is guiding us into all truth, and that
includes progressive revelation, new dispensations of light, new
unfoldings of truth consonant with the time one lives in.
Light itself produces numberless reflections and appearances of
colour, just like a diamond has many facets, yet it is made of
the same universal light-substance, expressing in various
shades, tones and forms. One can apply the basic 'metaphysics'
here and figure out the rest :)
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#Post#: 3293--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 19, 2019, 10:19 pm
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--- Quote from: freelight link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=166.msg1441#msg1441
date=1538761726]
> The early church understood that with One God came One Spirit,
thus One understanding. So the question posed today is how many
right interpretations are there to scripture.
>
> Before we start let me clarify one thing, scripture also talks
about what we call disputable matters which are the things not
clear which is a different matter.
>
--- End Quote ---
Interpretations of any text, doctrine, theory, concept or idea
can vary. Religious writings are subject to both literal and
figurative interpretation and may further differ according to
the context in which they are being 'related'. At best, you may
consider all logical, tenable, probable and possible
'interpretations' of a given text and translate such in the
present time with all the knowledge, wisdom and discernment
available, at any given moment. - there are teachings, concepts
or practices in scripture that are outdated, obsolete today...or
is translated to mean something different in modern times, so a
belief such as 'biblical inerrancy' is shaky, since it is the
spirit of truth that is guiding us into all truth, and that
includes progressive revelation, new dispensations of light, new
unfoldings of truth consonant with the time one lives in.
Light itself produces numberless reflections and appearances of
colour, just like a diamond has many facets, yet it is made of
the same universal light-substance, expressing in various
shades, tones and forms. One can apply the basic 'metaphysics'
here and figure out the rest :)
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[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
freelight You said:"At best, you may consider all logical,
tenable, probable and possible 'interpretations' of a given text
and translate such in the present time with all the knowledge,
wisdom and discernment available, at any given moment. - there
are teachings, concepts or practices in scripture that are
outdated, obsolete today...or is translated to mean something
different in modern times,"
WOW,,,that is a mouth full and all of it BULL!
Outdated/obsolete.....What about the translated then vs today.
No wonder 95% of the world's churches are in apostasy as the
Bible prophesied in that outdated/obsolete/wrongly translated
Word of GOD!
If anyone thinks GOD will forgive or agree with anyone who
believes in the statements you just made; I am pretty sure
they will be wrong. They in reality probably really do not care
if they are wrong. To throw GOD's Sovereignty and the most
revered possession of GOD (His WORD) to the wind because Mankind
has simply out-grew them, Wellllllll, we all know what is coming
and what is going to happen who would believe this false
Gospel..... Need I say more...
[i]SO SAD!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3531--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: freelight
Date: January 29, 2019, 2:45 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=freelight link=topic=166.msg3290#msg3290
date=1547942738]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=166.msg1441#msg1441
date=1538761726]
> The early church understood that with One God came One Spirit,
thus One understanding. So the question posed today is how many
right interpretations are there to scripture.
>
> Before we start let me clarify one thing, scripture also talks
about what we call disputable matters which are the things not
clear which is a different matter.
>
--- End Quote ---
Interpretations of any text, doctrine, theory, concept or idea
can vary. Religious writings are subject to both literal and
figurative interpretation and may further differ according to
the context in which they are being 'related'. At best, you may
consider all logical, tenable, probable and possible
'interpretations' of a given text and translate such in the
present time with all the knowledge, wisdom and discernment
available, at any given moment. - there are teachings, concepts
or practices in scripture that are outdated, obsolete today...or
is translated to mean something different in modern times, so a
belief such as 'biblical inerrancy' is shaky, since it is the
spirit of truth that is guiding us into all truth, and that
includes progressive revelation, new dispensations of light, new
unfoldings of truth consonant with the time one lives in.
Light itself produces numberless reflections and appearances of
colour, just like a diamond has many facets, yet it is made of
the same universal light-substance, expressing in various
shades, tones and forms. One can apply the basic 'metaphysics'
here and figure out the rest :)
-------------------
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
freelight You said:"At best, you may consider all logical,
tenable, probable and possible 'interpretations' of a given text
and translate such in the present time with all the knowledge,
wisdom and discernment available, at any given moment. - there
are teachings, concepts or practices in scripture that are
outdated, obsolete today...or is translated to mean something
different in modern times,"
WOW,,,that is a mouth full and all of it BULL!
Outdated/obsolete.....What about the translated then vs today.
No wonder 95% of the world's churches are in apostasy as the
Bible prophesied in that outdated/obsolete/wrongly translated
Word of GOD!
If anyone thinks GOD will forgive or agree with anyone who
believes in the statements you just made; I am pretty sure
they will be wrong. They in reality probably really do not care
if they are wrong. To throw GOD's Sovereignty and the most
revered possession of GOD (His WORD) to the wind because Mankind
has simply out-grew them, Wellllllll, we all know what is coming
and what is going to happen who would believe this false
Gospel..... Need I say more...
[i]SO SAD!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
My former observations hold :)
There are many teachings in the OT that even Jews no longer
practice or interpret allegorically now, and were only for a
people many ages ago. Life advances, and older rituals and
belief-systems do grow old and outdated. Of course they do. Life
evolves.....'religion' itself has 'evolutional' and
'revelational' forms.....and it just so happens that there is
ever 'progressive revelation'.
Only the truth that is eternal, essential, fundamental and
living....is what is real and dynamic. Therefore older forms,
older wineskins no longer can carry the new wine of the Spirit,
so newer vessels must be used to hold the living and present
truths.
My observations on all those bible 'versions' out there is the
same, until better information comes forth or new revelation, so
such views could be changed or updated....until then,....its
pretty much 'cherry-picking', among some grandiose assumptions
of what 'God's word' is. If indeed 'God' is the source of all
love, truth, goodness, life, wisdom,....then...we draw from that
Spring itself, by the Spirit that is within and without, which
is omnipresent. "the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life".
So, we would call your attention to the source of life itself,
'God',...NOT a book! or a collection of book (whatever 'bible'
or 'canon' you prefer').
:)
#Post#: 3534--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: January 29, 2019, 8:14 am
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I think a lot of people confuse translation with meaning. I do
not believe it is possible for any one translation to fully
capture what God wants us to know through His word. However,
that does NOT mean that He doesn't intend for us to know the
same truths through a study of His word and our allowing the HS
to teach us through that word. And maybe that is why we have so
many different translations, so that we are spurred to study and
rely on the HS rather than man?!?!
#Post#: 3558--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 30, 2019, 12:59 am
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> I think a lot of people confuse translation with meaning. I
do not believe it is possible for any one translation to fully
capture what God wants us to know through His word. However,
that does NOT mean that He doesn't intend for us to know the
same truths through a study of His word and our allowing the HS
to teach us through that word. And maybe that is why we have so
many different translations, so that we are spurred to study and
rely on the HS rather than man?!?!
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Lori.... When the Bible (KJV) tells you :"All
scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:"
(2 TIM 3:16) What does it say to you?
IF you believe in the WORD of GOD, then it should tell you that
everything (all 66 chapters) in this Bible are HIS WORDs.
Many versions use the 'Thought for Thought' approach instead of
the 'Word for Word' approach to the 'Scripture given by the
inspiration of GOD' You probably are saying what is this?
It is the argument of how GOD actually inspired the writers of
the 66 books. Since, each writer does give us personality of
themselves in the writing, all the newer version follow the
'thought for thought' inspiration.
God gave them the idea or though (big picture) of what He wanted
them to say and they wrote it in their own hand.
NOTE: I guess he had to go back and approve each page?
The WORD for WORD part of the argument; GOD gave the writer the
exact words to use and while He was at it, HE (knowing the
writer better than the writer knew himself) used the words so
each writer had his own personality. This type of writing is
seen in the KJV only. Even the NKJV changes many phrases, words,
etc within its pages.
In Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV), GOD tells us: "The words of the LORD are
pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified
seven times. v7. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt
preserve them from this generation for ever."
Notice the v7 in the NIV version: "You, LORD, will keep the
needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,"
Your version (HCSB) :v7.."You, LORD, will guard us; You will
protect us from this generation forever."
There is quit a bit of difference here. don't you think? These
Version(s) and others verse (7) disregards and does away with
the though that GOD will preserve HIS WORD.
What does these three versions tell us if it was the first time
we read them? DOUBT in GOD's WORD.... This Satan's game plan.
To Place any DOUBT in a persons mind about the WORD of GOD.
Another is "Inerrancy". Since they are not the same or in this
case do not even closely resemble each other the results is the
Bible is full of errors. which is certainly not the case.
SO, LORI, we have two against one (in this situation) where the
newer versions contradict the older version. Which one is
true.....for only one can be truly the WORD of GOD.
We are saved through Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
(1 Cor 15:1-4)......Yet, how do we get to that belief?
Rom 10:17 (KJV) tells us:"So then faith cometh by hearing, and
hearing by the Word of God."
We see here how important the WORD of GOD is.
In fact, John 1:1 :"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God."
Here the WORD is GOD.
Look to NIV version verbiation of this verse:"Consequently,
faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard
through the word about Christ."
Here the NIV is actually getting rid of the "Word of GOD" .
"through the word about Christ." The word of WHAT? Through the
words in the book about Jesus Christ... WHO Wrote them?
Where is it ...Through the WORD of GOD, about Jesus Christ
It is, I will admit the change is very subtle but it is there
and will make a big difference in a beginning reader.
I could go on and on as there are some 5,000 to 30,000+ changes
changes from the KJV, depending on the version you are looking
at.
some things to look at: Lord's Prayer (communion changes,
resurrection left out, etc. )
One of my favorites is the Mark 16: 9-20. Most all the rest of
the versions (outside of the KJV) have a FOOTNOTE telling the
reader the verses 9 - 20 were added at a later time.
Here they are placing doubt about the actual resurrection of
Christ?, His final instructions and His ascension
Thanks to the Gnostics, Westcott and Hort many verses of the
Bible were left out.The last verses of Mark 16:9-20 were some of
those left out.
Because the KJV was translated from the Textus Receptus, 5,000
Greek manuscripts, etc., it contained the disputed verses of
Mark 16:9-20
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Lori, thought I would add that no other Greek Text for any other
version of the Holy Bible , except the Greek version of the KJV
can do the following. In fact, NO MAN was/is able to do what you
are fixing to see. Only by divine direction, is this possible.
Again this in found only in the Greek Text of Mark 16:9-20 of
the KJV.
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Mark 9-20 in the KJV has GOD's FINGERPRINT all over it?
Using the Greek Text (is what it was written in!) Notice the
Heptadic structure.
there are 175 (7x25) words in Mark 16:9-20.
"an exact multiple of seven"
The above words use a "total vocabulary of 98 different words"
or (7x14) "an exact multiple of seven".
The number of letters in Mark 16:9-20 is 533 or (7x79),
"an exact multiple of seven".
The number of vowels in Mark 16:9-20 is 294 or (7 x 42)
"an exact multiple of seven".
The number of consonants is 259 or (7 x 37)
"an exact multiple of seven".
Out of the total WORDs (98) in Mark 16:9-20;
"84 (7 x 12) are found in previous verses of Mark;
14 (7 x 2) are found only in the pages of Mark 16:9-20
42 (7 x 6) are found in the Lord's address (vv.15-18);
56 (7 x 8, eight) are not part of His vocabulary here.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".
There are 133 word forms in Mark 16:9-20 (7x19),
112 of them occur only once (7 x 16),
21 of them occur more than once (7 x 3),
"an exact multiple of seven".
In the 175 words (7x25) of Mark 16:9-20,
56 (7 X 8, eight) of those words appear in the Lord's address,
and the other 119 words (7 x 17) are in the rest of the verses.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".
The natural divisions of the passage would be the appearance to
Mary, verses 9-11;
His subsequent appearances, verses 12-14;
Christ's discourse, verses 15-18;
and the conclusion in verses 19-20.
We discover that verses 9-11 involve 35 words (7 x 5).
Verses 12-18, 105 (7 x 15) words;
verse 12, 14 (7 x 2) words;
verses 13-15, 35 (7 x 5) words;
verses 16-18, 56 (7 x 8, eight) words.
The conclusion, verses 19-20, contains 35 (7 x 5) words.
"an exact multiple(s) of seven".
The total numerical value of the passage is 103,656 (7 x
14,808).
The value of v.9 is 11,795 (7 x 1,685);
v.10 is 5,418 (7 x 774);
v.11 is 11,795 (7 x 1,685);
vv.12-20, 86,450 (7 x 12,350).
In verse 10, the first word is 98 (7 x 14),
the middle word is 4,529 (7 x 647),
and the last word is 791 (7 x 113).
The value of the total word forms is 89,663 (7 x 12,809).
"
Individual words also tell a tale. The Greek word for 'deadly'
(v.18) is not found elsewhere in the New Testament. It has a
numeric value of 581 (7 x 83), and is preceded in the vocabulary
list by 42 (6 x 7) words, and in the passage itself by 126 (7 x
18) words.
This all is among the legendary results of the work by Dr. Ivan
Panin. (See inset below). In fact, he identified 75 heptadic
features of the last 12 verses of Mark. Only 34 heptadic
features have been highlighted here.
All "" exact multiple(s) of seven"."
If a supercomputer could be programmed to attempt 400 million
attempts/second, working day and night, it would take one
million of them over four million years to identify a
combination of 734 heptadic features by unaided chance alone.
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References
1.Codex Alexandrinus: a 5th century manuscript containing the
entire New Testament, brought to England about 1630. Codex
Siniaticus, discovered in St. Catherine's Monastery at (the
traditional) Mt. Sinai, has been dated around 350 A.D. Codex
Vaticanus, dated about 325 A.D., had been in the Vatican Library
since at least 1481, but was not made available to scholars
until the middle of the 19th century.
2. 1 John 1:1, 4:2,3; et al.
3. Koinonia House, see our Briefing Package, How We Got Our
Bible & The Last twelve Verse of Mark, from which parts of this
article was excerpted.
4. Previous articles on Matt 1:1-11in this News Journal, as
well as our recent book, Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages From the
Edge of Eternity, etc.
5. Actually, it can be mathematically argued that it is 91. p
= 1/7*[(n-1)/(7n-1)]*[(n-2)/(7n-2)]* . . . *[1/(7n-(n-1))] is
far more restrictive than the assumptions here.
6. Ivan Panin, The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, B-761, Bible
Numerics, Suite 206, 121 Willowdale Ave., Willowdale, Ontario,
M2N 6A3, (406) 221-7424.
7. 734 = ~5.4 x 1028 tries needed. There are 3.15 x 107
sec/year; at 4 x 108 tries/sec, it would take about 4.3 x 1012
computer-years.
8. Psalm 138:2. I will worship toward thy holy temple, and
praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for
thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Have a good evening Lori and Thank you for your thoughts.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 3560--------------------------------------------------
Re: How many right interpretations are there to scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: January 30, 2019, 9:42 am
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Blade...I have heard all of this before but I would like to
point out to you that unless you are reading the original
ancient Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic, there is not "perfect"
translation. That is why I focus on the word STUDY rather than
the individual differences in translations.
For example, over the years I have found many "poorly
translated" things in the KJV...which by the way I grew up with,
memorized from and love. So, no, the KJV is no different than
the other translations (excluding some obviously false ones) in
getting things out of order and wrong sometimes. If we stop
relying on our favorite translation and start relying on good
study of the word we might be surprised at all the things that
God is wanting to tell us that we are missing because we rely on
man not the HS to tell us what He wants to communicate to us.
Just my two cents.
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